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Toonami |OT9| This thread is made of LOVE and PEACE
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BassForever
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I love history too, but I felt the opposite of you. Replacing famous figures with fma characters does not a clever story make. A lot of those scenes wasted time developing real life people who shouldn't have had screen time in an fma story regardless of what impact they had on nazi Germany.
foxuzamaki
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the general reaction is it almost broke up the band, lines were drawn in the sand and it was up to seda the stampede to bring back love and peace
foxuzamaki
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Oh and bass was extra biased 
BassForever
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Oh and bass was extra biased
How was I extra biased? I only read the manga last year for the first time and went into the 03 anime with an open mind and was fairly positive on it minus the stupid other world plot point. The fact CoS takes the worst plot point of fma 03 and runs with it could have either saved that plot point and made it meaningful to the story (what I hoped/expected) or completely ruined the ending to an otherwise great version of the story (which is did)
Schadenfreude
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Toonami |OT9|Valentinez Alkalinella Xifax Sicidabohertz Gumbigobilla Blue Stradivari Talentrent Pierre Andres Charton-Haymoss Ivanovicci Baldeus George Doitzel Kaiser III stampedes his way into your tv
Do not fear Bebop. Bebop is always at our side. When we show fear, it jumps at us faster than light, but if we do not show fear, it casts its eye upon us gently and then guides us into infinity...
I was of the opposite opinion with the historical setting for a few reasons. One of the biggest is I know about when in our time the Earth stuff happens and the beginning parts take great pains in reflecting that time period and then they go Stupid Jetpack Hitler on us. You can't painstakingly go for historical accuracy and then start throwing later WWII era technology and outright fantastical steampunk bullshit in the same breadth and expect to retain a credible willing suspension of disbelief.
If that is what they are going for fine, but not when they are bring up actual nazis and actual racial purity and the like.
True. I didn't care for that stuff either.
Doctor Decimate
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"legendary."
how can you be legendary when you're like 50?
how can you be legendary when you're like 50?
Doctor Decimate
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so apparently Guy just carries around spare jumpsuits to hand out to children
Doctor Decimate
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you have a point
Schadenfreude
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Started watching Trigun again. Vash is like a Looney Tune that jumped into anime.
Doctor Decimate
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well, i mean when i think of the word "legendary" i don't think of stuff that's kinda recent unless i really want to exaggerate.
lazybones18
Banned
Break from Naruto is done. Let's continue
lazybones18
Banned
Use a shadow clone to help you with Rasengan....nice thinking Naruto
Naruto in a fight:
Part 1: Shadow Clones solve all problems.
Part 2:
UNLEASHING THE NINE TAILS
lazybones18
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And Tsunade was stabbed in the chest. Orochimaru, if you so much as stabbed one of her titties...
foxuzamaki
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hahaha im sorry I just busted a gut when I read this
Even he isn't that evil, he aimed in-between them.
I know that the author sucks at writing women and that Naruto is unusually sexist for a modern Shonen but what happens to Tsunade during the fight you're talking about is atrocious. She's the female ninja all female ninjas aspire to be and it only takes some weak ass Talk no Jutsu from Orochi to get her to the point of giving up.
lazybones18
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And now we have our Fifth Hokage
I'm sure the Leaf Village is great hands
I'm sure the Leaf Village is great hands
a female Hokage?! Leaf Village is fucked
I know, it's straight up embarrassing. It's so bad it makes me want to write about women just so I can prove men can do it.
I wouldn't even be that mad if Orochimaru's actually had something good on her, instead it's just the same shit she's been talking about with Naruto earlier in the arc.
So a cripple and a card game nerd
who has mutant healing factor and is actually a top tier part one threat in his own right but I'm trying to downplay this.
lazybones18
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That Tsunade punch to Orochimaru's face....hoo-boy
Doctor Decimate
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Iruka's Kon comes out when he yells
lazybones18
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Oh shit. Tsunade kissed Naruto on the forehead. Looks like he'll never be Hokage now
Doctor Decimate
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this training arc is kinda lame.
lazybones18
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I get the strange feeling Episode 97 is filler
Poor Jiraya...mixed bathing isn't all it's cracked up to be
lazybones18
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Konohamaru, you lucky little brat. Smothering your fucking face in Tsunade's luscious boobs
edit: Lee He'll find a way dammit
edit 2: There's hope for Lee yet! Thank you Based Kabuto
100 episodes in the books. I'll wait later in the day to see what's behind Kakashi's mask
edit: Lee
He'll find a way dammitedit 2: There's hope for Lee yet! Thank you Based Kabuto
100 episodes in the books. I'll wait later in the day to see what's behind Kakashi's mask
BassForever
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Hinata ends up being the most competent and useful female character in the series by the end, crazy
..and really sad. Temari comes close but then again you just have to do more than a wet dish rag to be better than 99% of the Naruto females.
End PLOT Hokage saga spoilers
BOOBS SAVE THE DAY!
Schadenfreude
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100 episodes in the books. I'll wait later in the day to see what's behind Kakashi's mask
One of my most favorite episodes of the series. Even if it is filler.
Oh man. This episode of Fate/Zero was tense as fuck. I thought for sure Caster was gonna pop up and snatch Rin.
Sorry to dredge some of this up a day later, but I'm stuck at work today with no one else around, and I'm bored.
I won't argue with you about the pointless deaths, but I will argue with you on the terms of the villain having no rational motivations.
Regardless of if it's true or not, many works of fiction use the premise that the Nazi were interested in the occult. By no means is it a stretch for a Nazi to find a man (Hoenhiem) who came "from the other side of the gate", a land that is full of wonder and people who can turn rocks into gold, and dedicate her life to crossing over the boarder. When they capture a "dragon" (Envy) from the other side, they have their ideas further reinforced.
When she finally gets to the other side, she realizes that it's not Shambala, a land of wonder, but a parallel to her own world, with human inhabitants. This scares her- it's not what she expected to find on the other side!- so she does what Nazi do- decide that all of the problems are caused by people not like herself, and commit genocide against them.
Yes, this character had a lack of development. That's because this movie had a lot of ground to cover- resolution to Ed's story in the new word, Mustangs story after the final confrontation with Bradley, Al's journey to find his brother, what happened to the remaining Homunculi, and closure for more minor characters like Winrey and Izumi. And you have less than a 2 hour block of time to tell your story. So they shortcut that by using a common trope to tell you all you need to know about a character. When I play Batman: Arkham Asylum, there is no scene explaining why Batman can't pick up the guns or knives that enemies drop in battle- because it assumes that you know who Batman is, and that using a gun is something he would never do. In this case, they take the trope of an Evil Nazi obsessed with the occult (just like Raiders of the Lost Ark!), and use that to explain the actions instead of spending valuable time creating a backstory for her.
I thought it was fairly obvious Ed doesn't really care about him as "Alphonse", and instead just sees him as an end to a means. Early on in the movie, when Al is getting ready to have his rocket demonstration, Ed just goes to take a nap in the truck instead of being with him for support when it's time for the actual launch. He has lived in this world for a decent period of time by this point, and the reason he is with Alphonse is more due to rocketry (which, as a scientist, Ed is fascinated by as it doesn't exist when he is from) than the fact that he looks like his brother. By the point we are at the movie, Ed has realized that despite appearances, they aren't the same people. He only freaks out when he sees a copy of Bradley, who he knows wasn't a "real person" on his side. He shows emotion when Alphonse dies, but that's more about him sacrificing himself for Ed than loving him like a brother.
I won't argue with you about the pointless deaths, but I will argue with you on the terms of the villain having no rational motivations.
Regardless of if it's true or not, many works of fiction use the premise that the Nazi were interested in the occult. By no means is it a stretch for a Nazi to find a man (Hoenhiem) who came "from the other side of the gate", a land that is full of wonder and people who can turn rocks into gold, and dedicate her life to crossing over the boarder. When they capture a "dragon" (Envy) from the other side, they have their ideas further reinforced.
When she finally gets to the other side, she realizes that it's not Shambala, a land of wonder, but a parallel to her own world, with human inhabitants. This scares her- it's not what she expected to find on the other side!- so she does what Nazi do- decide that all of the problems are caused by people not like herself, and commit genocide against them.
Yes, this character had a lack of development. That's because this movie had a lot of ground to cover- resolution to Ed's story in the new word, Mustangs story after the final confrontation with Bradley, Al's journey to find his brother, what happened to the remaining Homunculi, and closure for more minor characters like Winrey and Izumi. And you have less than a 2 hour block of time to tell your story. So they shortcut that by using a common trope to tell you all you need to know about a character. When I play Batman: Arkham Asylum, there is no scene explaining why Batman can't pick up the guns or knives that enemies drop in battle- because it assumes that you know who Batman is, and that using a gun is something he would never do. In this case, they take the trope of an Evil Nazi obsessed with the occult (just like Raiders of the Lost Ark!), and use that to explain the actions instead of spending valuable time creating a backstory for her.
I thought it was fairly obvious Ed doesn't really care about him as "Alphonse", and instead just sees him as an end to a means. Early on in the movie, when Al is getting ready to have his rocket demonstration, Ed just goes to take a nap in the truck instead of being with him for support when it's time for the actual launch. He has lived in this world for a decent period of time by this point, and the reason he is with Alphonse is more due to rocketry (which, as a scientist, Ed is fascinated by as it doesn't exist when he is from) than the fact that he looks like his brother. By the point we are at the movie, Ed has realized that despite appearances, they aren't the same people. He only freaks out when he sees a copy of Bradley, who he knows wasn't a "real person" on his side. He shows emotion when Alphonse dies, but that's more about him sacrificing himself for Ed than loving him like a brother.
Schadenfreude
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Dat Rider. So manly! Saber done got told. Time for Darker than Black.
It just felt like such a shallow idea, that she'd instantly try to destroy this new WORLD she just came to. I could understand if Amestrias Was the ONLY place in existence; if there were no other continent, culture, tribes, etc. But she went to a place with people much stronger than her, and with a small army, decides to settle into all-out WAR from the first moment.
It was truly a panic reaction, but it still feels kinda poorly developed. I would have preferred her to get there, try to implement martial law with a show of pride and might... then have the stronger, clearly superior power put her in her place, and THEN have her panic.
Looking at the idea on it's own "Nazi gonna Nazi, but you can't pull that crap off VS FMA's Alchemist!", I can just point and laugh at her character, for being revealed to be as cowardly and shallow as I'd want to believe a Nazi be.But as a fan of FMA 03, I just want a more well-rounded character.
Obvious, sure, but I just find it kind of a misstep. But maybe it's Ed's "This is all just a dream" nature that I not only dislike in him, but in the whole movie itself in general; as big and important as these characters are in the movie, we're forced to look at them as simply parallels to a more interesting, more "real" world. Our main guide in the story barely seems to care about them, so he's telling us not to care, either...
... which kinda sucks, because we spend a LOT of time there. I'd have liked to see these people creep more and more into Ed's heart, and for him to have more difficulty with his choices and decisions. It would have done the story, and Ed, a service. Instead, this is just forced into his face by Alt. Alphonse, and we get that moment, him passing by Noah, and then him seeing Alphonse dead, as the only real points of him facing their reality.
This all would have probably been handled really well if this were a mini-series, but I think I feel it was just too much for the movie's boundaries.
Basically, I would have liked Ed to have grown up as much as Winry had. She seemed to have taken all the things that had happened in front of her, and just gotten stronger from it all. Instead of waiting for the Elrics to return, she went out and actively did something about it. She was as prepared and forward-thinking about each situation she got into as she could be. She reminded me that we'd been through a series before getting here, whereas Ed just felt like his growth stunted. I felt like I saw more progression of character from her than Ed.
Schadenfreude
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Even more Chinese betrayaltons this episode. The Japanese really do mistrust them. On to the next episode!
BassForever
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Will Schadenfreude ever get caught up on the prewatch
Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z!
Gucci Messiah
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Can someone post the episode numbers from this past weekend? I'm trying to play catch up with the late night stuff.
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