JadedWriter
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Togashi can actually draw, it's just an acquired taste at times. When he cares he cares, other times it's just not great.
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Oda's pretty great. The panels do get a bit cluttered, though, especially in some of the last few arcs. And the pacing's been kind of rough, but that's 'cause of his health and the setting starting to get too big to deal with.
Back problems aside, Togashi's pretty good at the art, even if he's not super fantastic. It's his comics art that I take issue with, not the literal art.
Berserk has it beat there even if it isn't on the same scale in terms of sales.
Berserk isn't a shounen, tho.
...but yeah, One Piece is still up there, but it has way too many issues for me to call it the best.
I was referring to the second part.
Oda is starting to get regular breaks because of his health and the fact he's a workaholic
Oh, fair.
I don't think you can be a Manga author long term and not get health problems
Manga industry is vicious
Sibersk Esto
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Toriyama earned his reputation as one of the absolute best at pure comic book layout.
How do you mean? I wouldn't really call Berserk's setting the big appeal.
How do you mean? I wouldn't really call Berserk's setting the big appeal.
I still use him as a default example of comics composition, heh.
iirc, the story behind that was Oda fell ill once, and when Kishimoto went to visit him at the hospital, he found him working in bed.
So now his editors force him to take regular breaks.
Toriyama is probably the best cartoon artist to come out of Japan.he's mastered a simple, easy to comprehend look that works well in both comedy and serious moments.
Toriyama's main struggle is his storytelling, which abides by the "I'm not gonna plan arcs at all, I'm just going to make shit up as I go" he's able to make really solid characters though.
Berserk is a better manga then One Piece (although it's fairly close) but I doubt Berserk will end well, while I have all the faith in the world that One Piece will.
Only other manga I've read that competes with Berserk is Vagabond. Vagabond is awesome guys, you should all read it
Toriyama's main struggle is his storytelling, which abides by the "I'm not gonna plan arcs at all, I'm just going to make shit up as I go" he's able to make really solid characters though.
Berserk is a better manga then One Piece (although it's fairly close) but I doubt Berserk will end well, while I have all the faith in the world that One Piece will.
Only other manga I've read that competes with Berserk is Vagabond. Vagabond is awesome guys, you should all read it
I wasn't referring to the setting but that it had a huge scope and was really successful at pulling it off.
Hellwarden
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Boy, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle is way more challenging than I expected it to be.
Berserk is the only one that competes with it, but even then, One Piece's world is much bigger and much more fleshed out imo.
Berserk is only really better in art imo. I think a lot of people sleep on Oda's art as well. He's one of the best artists in Shonen Jump. He was smart enough to pick an art style that he can use to make a lot of panels in a week.
That's more because he's a workaholic. One Piece's art is super complex, even if it doesn't look that way.
Fun fact: Araki won a Best Dressed contest in 2016.
I mean, it's a bit of both, but it's obviously not as complex as some other manga artists out there.
There's nothing wrong with not having a complex art style either.
I'd agree its not as fleshed out but a big part of the story at this point is figuring out what's actually going on in the world especially
as the different layers of reality are being forced to merge together and all the fantastical creatures and elements are once more filling the world.
JadedWriter
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Japanese tap water...
Unless your this guy.
It's not literally complex in the way something like Berserk is, but like, in terms of actual effort? It's super complex.
Like, for example, Just look at a typical One Piece panel and think about how much effort it'd take to draw in every object, place them in a way that makes sense in a panel, and make the panel work in terms of the overall page. That's incredibly demanding, and that's just one way One Piece's art is complicated.
Unless your this guy.
I was actually going to mention Araki seems like one of the few Manga authors who seems to be in very good health. Apparently he doesn't age either.
JadedWriter
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Berserk went full JRPG. I prefer it now over the "I fucked a demon on the first page" edgelord fest.
Hellwarden
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"Resident Evil with spooks is best Resident Evil!"
"Resident Evil with action is best Resident Evil!"
This is a pointless argument.
Resident Evil is clearly at its best....when it's focusing on its best character.
Steve Burnside.
"Resident Evil with action is best Resident Evil!"
This is a pointless argument.
Resident Evil is clearly at its best....when it's focusing on its best character.
Steve Burnside.
Sibersk Esto
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Oda's particular art style is the way it is because it fits the kind of stories he wants to tell. He knows that simplistic faces, exaggerated anatomy, and conservative line work allows the story to feel sillier and more comedic, and lets him get away with the more outlandish things his characters go through.
Berserk is more serious and treats things with more dire consequences, so the art leans more towards the realistic.
With an exception:
Berserk is more serious and treats things with more dire consequences, so the art leans more towards the realistic.
With an exception:
SigmasonicX
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gamerguy2002
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Its why he has an entire Dragonball Team/Room at Shonen Jump headquarters and Toyble and his disposal, hes a genius with his art but lazy as all hell with his storytelling. now he doesn't have to do anything except guide his successor in the right direction, approve character and story ideas and maybe do some of his own and still gets paid for it.
Suddenly, Dio as a character makes allot more sense.
YoodiHoshi
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I heard from a friend that it isn't and that only the first 3 episodes are good, but not the rest. The art seems to be fine in the manga from what I've seen of it
Might be a JUMP magazine scan instead of a redrawn volume, but yeah
Unless your this guy.
Araki mastered Hamon.
JadedWriter
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He wore the stone mask with the Red Stone of Aja in it. He's Ultimate Araki.
JadedWriter
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I mean he has been around since 3000BC...
As he should.
JadedWriter
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Doesn't HxH sell a ton when it does decide to come out? I don't think a lot of mangakas would get Togashi's leeway.
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