ReyBrujo
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Capturing 4:3 games in 16:9, wtf No VF? But it looks like they are using sales count for "best" definition. Not into fighting games that much but I agree that SF and MK are like the only two games I enjoyed playing. Oh, and Killer Instinct, like the first game with ass kicking long combos.
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NeverYouMind
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A top 10 list from WatchMojo... and they think Smash Bros. is a fighting game....
Franchises can vary in quality and few are consistently impressive. Def Jam, Kengo, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai, Under Night In-Birth, Injustice, Darkstalkers, and Dead or Alive are the only franchises I can think of that had no misses. I would not say any one of their games blew me away as much as individual fighting game releases without franchises or within franchises of varying quality.
Franchises can vary in quality and few are consistently impressive. Def Jam, Kengo, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai, Under Night In-Birth, Injustice, Darkstalkers, and Dead or Alive are the only franchises I can think of that had no misses. I would not say any one of their games blew me away as much as individual fighting game releases without franchises or within franchises of varying quality.
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Plies
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
You like Samurai Shodown, too.
Rhazer Fusion
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This list seems to be kind of off imo. Smash? Hmmm….ok. No Virtua Fighter, Dead or Alive, Killer Instinct, Samurai Shodown anywhere on the list? If it wasn't for Virtua Fighter, there would probably be no 3D fighters so that definitely should have been up there the same way Street Fighter basically birthed 2D fighters.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
NeverYouMind
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Hero_Select
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Smash Bros has been at Evo more than some franchises on that list and the ones you list. It's a fighting game.A top 10 list from WatchMojo... and they think Smash Bros. is a fighting game....
Franchises can vary in quality and few are consistently impressive. Def Jam, Kengo, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai, Under Night In-Birth, Injustice, Darkstalkers, and Dead or Alive are the only franchises I can think of that had no misses. I would not say any one of their games blew me away as much as individual fighting game releases without franchises or within franchises of varying quality.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Virtua Fighter 6 is one I'm looking forward to!
NeverYouMind
Member
They had Mario Kart at EVO. Most fighting game players were happy the hygiene averse legion got booted upon Nintendo's request.
Even the director of the franchise (Sakurai) says it's a party game and not a fighting game.
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/11/the-act-of-balancing-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-480/
P.S. The reason its clones never went anywhere is that its crock of shit gameplay design is held up purely by fan service.
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Sadly, they are classified as sports games. Even my beloved WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game.
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Hero_Select
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They had Mario Kart at EVO. Most fighting game players were happy the hygiene averse legion got booted upon Nintendo's request.
Even the director of the franchise (Sakurai) says it's a party game and not a fighting game.
https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/11/the-act-of-balancing-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-480/
P.S. The reason its clones never went anywhere is that its crock of shit gameplay design is held up purely by fan service.
Call it what you want really. Smash Bros. is a platform fighting game and the biggest fighting tournament in the world featured it and Smash consistently brought in some of the most viewed matches across all it's years.
| 1. | » Tekken 7 | $261,876.79 | 92 Players | 18 Tournaments |
| 2. | » Street Fighter V | $219,820.00 | 70 Players | 9 Tournaments |
| 3. | » Street Fighter V: Arcade Edition | $209,107.39 | 34 Players | 5 Tournaments |
| 4. | » Guilty Gear -STRIVE- | $132,743.79 | 53 Players | 9 Tournaments |
| 5. | » Street Fighter 6 | $113,250.00 | 22 Players | 3 Tournaments |
| 6. | » Ultra Street Fighter IV | $102,060.00 | 22 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 7. | » Super Smash Bros. Melee | $100,480.00 | 34 Players | 11 Tournaments |
| 8. | » MultiVersus | $100,000.00 | 26 Players | 1 Tournament |
| 9. | » King of Fighters XV | $92,940.00 | 21 Players | 5 Tournaments |
| 10. | » Killer Instinct (2013) | $87,809.80 | 19 Players | 3 Tournaments |
| 11. | » Dragon Ball FighterZ | $84,140.00 | 31 Players | 4 Tournaments |
| 12. | » Mortal Kombat 11 | $81,310.00 | 45 Players | 6 Tournaments |
| 13. | » Super Smash Bros. for Wii U | $74,540.00 | 23 Players | 4 Tournaments |
| 14. | » Injustice 2 | $72,410.00 | 13 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 15. | » Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 | $71,560.00 | 36 Players | 7 Tournaments |
| 16. | » Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike | $65,190.00 | 33 Players | 12 Tournaments |
| 17. | » Mortal Kombat X | $61,620.00 | 8 Players | 1 Tournament |
| 18. | » Mortal Kombat XL | $57,130.00 | 8 Players | 1 Tournament |
| 19. | » Samurai Shodown (2019) | $56,418.40 | 16 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 20. | » Melty Blood: Type Lumina | $44,310.00 | 19 Players | 3 Tournaments |
| 21. | » Guilty Gear Xrd REV 2 | $42,650.21 | 18 Players | 4 Tournaments |
| 22. | » Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising | $42,650.00 | 13 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 23. | » Tekken 8 | $42,650.00 | 14 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 24. | » Under Night In-Birth II [Sys:Celes] | $42,650.00 | 13 Players | 2 Tournaments |
| 25. | » BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle | $36,448.61 | 25 Players | 4 Tournaments |
| 26. | » King of Fighters XIV | $35,990.21 | 17 Players | 3 Tournaments |
| 27. | » Super Smash Bros. Ultimate | $35,340.00 | 8 Players | 1 Tournament |
| 28. | » BlazBlue: Chronophantasma | $35,080.00 | 8 Players | 1 Tournament |
| 29. | » Street Fighter V: Champion Edition | $34,440.00 | 21 Players | 3 Tournaments |
| 30. | » Skullgirls 2nd Encore | $31,200.00 | 36 Players | 5 Tournaments |
Mario Kart DS was only included because Toyota (who were a sponsor at the time) requested a racing game.
NeverYouMind
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People play Roblox competitively. It does not mean shit. Smash is not a fighting game.
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kazuyamishima
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Then why Nintendo pulled it from EVO?
NeverYouMind
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Probably because Sony bought EVO and the thought of a competitor making bank on their IPs makes Nintendo's management's blood boil.
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kazuyamishima
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There's their partnership with Global Panda, but I find it extremely stupid to do it.
If they're pulling decent numbers at EVO why pull the game from it?
Hero_Select
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You keep listing side games as if trying to prove a point lmao.
Under what category was Smash Bros listed under?
Because Nintendo hates competitive Smash.. probably. They've never outright said the reason why but it can be a bunch of things.
Sony owns Evo, Nintendo doesn't make any money from it and the people who play Smash often times turn out to be terrible people so who knows.
AREYOUOKAY?
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To give all the other low selling pitiful online player size fighting franchises a chance.
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Fahdis
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I wanted to list Sam Sho, EX and DOA as well, but I'd say they are in the B category. Maybe DOA I'd save because it has the best tag play of all the fighting games.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It is a fighting game. Stop with this shit.
SkylineRKR
Member
I would include VF instead of BlazBlue as its the game that pushed 3D fighting.
But then again, who cares about some random list. These pop up all the time to mask the lack of creativity and content.
But then again, who cares about some random list. These pop up all the time to mask the lack of creativity and content.
It's a party brawler.
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L*][*N*K
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Here we go the "Smash is not a fighting game" crowd is alive and still delusionalA top 10 list from WatchMojo... and they think Smash Bros. is a fighting game....
Franchises can vary in quality and few are consistently impressive. Def Jam, Kengo, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai, Under Night In-Birth, Injustice, Darkstalkers, and Dead or Alive are the only franchises I can think of that had no misses. I would not say any one of their games blew me away as much as individual fighting game releases without franchises or within franchises of varying quality.
Shifty1897
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I've never heard someone seriously posit that Smash wasn't a fighting game. Does Smash being included somehow cheapen your entire genre of games?
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Two of my friends/roommates during and after college were huge fighting game fans. I credit them for getting me into the genre. In college we played a ton of Dead or Alive 2 and DBZ fighters, after college we played Street Fighter 4 and Mortal Kombat (don't remember which one). Weirdly they never seemed to be into Tekken, which was always a favorite of mine.
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Two of my friends/roommates during and after college were huge fighting game fans. I credit them for getting me into the genre. In college we played a ton of Dead or Alive 2 and DBZ fighters, after college we played Street Fighter 4 and Mortal Kombat (don't remember which one). Weirdly they never seemed to be into Tekken, which was always a favorite of mine.
sncvsrtoip
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Yeah, thumb down on video from me for that ;d
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L*][*N*K
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It is called Nintendo Derangement Syndrome, some people can't help it.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, it's a platform fighting game. It does everything a fighting game does with platforming elements on top.
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It has no health bars. And a fighting game is usually a 1 vs 1 fight - unless you change the fighter in the fight. It's pure chaos with 8 players on the screen at the same time.
darth.shrimp
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I guess Bushido Blade isn't a fighting game either then...
Bushido blade is an exotic fighting game where you can be killed with one hit. it at least has a 1 vs. 1 fight. it still comes closer to a traditional fighting game than smash. I mean picking up items and knocking opponents off the screen has little to do with fighting games, but fun, brawl, party.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Doesn't matter.
Keyword: usually. Nobody is arguing it's a traditional fighter. It's a fighting game with platforming elements. Still a fighting game.
If you've never played anything other than Smash, then this might be a fighting game for you. I mean, Mario Kart isn't compared to Gran Turismo or categorized in that way. Still, even Mario Kart's rules are closer to Gran Turismo than, say, Smash is to Street Fighter.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Mario Kart is categorized as a racing game last I checked, so I got no idea what you're talking about.
NeverYouMind
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The default win condition of a fighting game is that an opponent's hit points are reduced to zero. Attacks and throws landed on an opponent reduce their hit points. That is not Smash.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, it's to knock out your opponent, which can be achieved through various means such as knocking them off stage, you know, something that you can do in SC or Toshinden.
Again, who cares? Did you make up that rule? There are many sets of mechanics in fighting games and Smash adheres to pretty much all of them. The exception is that it adds platforming elements on top. Throws, grabs, combos, juggles, blocks, counters, jumps, jump counters, projectiles, different movesets for different characters, but it ain't a fighter because instead of hit points to defeat the opponent, you gotta knock them off stage…right. Never mind the fact that there are modes in Smash where you can set a percentage and then the winning condition is to reduce it ro 0%, exactly like in traditional fighters. Does Smash become a fighting game under these circumstances?
NeverYouMind
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If that was the default then yes. It is funny Smash players need to change the default settings just to play the game competitively. That is not the case in any competitive fighting game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yeah, so your definition of fighting games is "reduce your opponent health to zero". Let's ignore the myriad of other mechanics that make up what a fighting game in favor of this incredibly simplistic definition.
NeverYouMind
Member
Many fighting games predate those mechanics.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And many games require reducing your opponent's health to 0 without being fighting games.
It's Bloody Roar and it sucks.
