But why does the Russian team give a fuck about the WNBA? Surely they could have put it in her contract that she could only play for them. I would think if you are are paying someone $1.5 million you would want the best possible return on your investment.
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Top WNBA star being paid by her Russian team to sit out the WNBA season
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But why does the Russian team give a fuck about the WNBA? Surely they could have put it in her contract that she could only play for them. I would think if you are are paying someone $1.5 million you would want the best possible return on your investment.
benjipwns
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The inside beasts of the WNBA have bodies of average NBA point guards. What are they going to do against someone like LeBron James?
Playing in both leagues mean she has less time to recuperate and more potential to get injured. This way she has three months more to recuperate.
Ninja Scooter
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Because they don't want her to get hurt playing for another team. They basically are putting that in her contract, but it's costing them an extra $105,000 or whatever they are paying her.
Why would a gender ratio favoring males give them a larger pool to select from? I'm also curious as to if there are actually any statistics on the way that funding is appropriated for athletics in China; I'll admit that I didn't try very hard but I didn't find any. But in any case, funding is certainly not the only issue facing women in sport, especially in a country where foot-binding wasn't especially uncommon 100 years ago.
Having said that, I could see the hypothetical sex gap in something like swimming being quite large as the physical component (versus the mental component) is quite large so being male confers a more considerable advantage.
Professional athletes already are the cream of the crop. Hell, the people in the minor leagues are the cream of the crop. The people in the women's leagues are the cream of a much smaller and significantly marginalized crop.
The chess analogy was meant to demonstrate that institutions can affect sports. Chess is purely mental, but nearly all sports have at least some mental component and as the mental component becomes a more significant factor, females should in turn become more prominent in the top levels of the sport. But they don't; women are under-represented in all sports, even the purely mental ones.
As an aside, if you happen to feel that chess isn’t a sport, please don't focus on that part of my post.
I asked him to prove that the gap in gender that exists in sports today is representative of the effect of sexual dimorphism would have on sports if society weren't oriented around professional male sports.
This is a very different question than the one your limited reading comprehension produced.
Because they would need to pay more, potentially more than the WNBA salary itself, since the player loses ehatever limited exposure and sponsorship activities are in the US. Also, many teams probably don't object to a player keeping in competitive and physical shape during the offseason by playing 32 games in the WNBA.
GhostWriter24
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Good for her. She needs to go where the $ is at...
Hell, all athlete's should. You only have so many good years, then they're gone.
Hell, all athlete's should. You only have so many good years, then they're gone.
You're right about the gender ratio.
You should try harder to find the statistics on funding if you want to argue that funding is a reason behind the lack of success of women. I don't think foot-binding is relevant to a state-run sports system that values gold medals equally regardless of gender.
We are talking about sports, which are a physical activity, not mental activities like chess.
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It's like people think testosterone is not a thing or something.
World class female athletes consistently perform on the level of high school JV men, pretty much no matter the sport, and the gap has been pretty consistent over time, regardless of how much emphasis and support has been put into female sports. Including the eastern bloc countries roiding up all of their female athletes during the 70s and 80s, and they still never came close to the men in any sport.
Men have significant physical advantages over women in basically every area of athleticism because of the effects of sex hormones, not because of anything society has caused.
Fotheringay
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Your arguments have been
1) Lack of funding
2) Less pressurized environment
3) Less representation from the truly freakish due to society not pushing those female individuals into sports.
All 3 of these have been easily countered, 1 and 2 by the aforementioned Chinese efforts to claim olympic medals, and 3 is done away with by watching literally any male professional league for more than 5 minutes. The best soccer player in the world had to have medical treatment to avoid being essentially a dwarf, Steve Nash won 2 MVP's despite looking like a gas station attendant.
Daft Bird
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I literally just revised an essay that tried to prove that.
On topic the WNBA players are paided really badly. But I understand why.
Unless you're legally blind I shouldn't have to, but sure:
Women have inherently more body fat than men, due to their respective estrogen levels, which also results in less attainable muscle mass. This results in more flexible joints which would make a thread about how men gymnasts are discriminated against equally stupid.
The increased testosterone levels of men enable them to build, sustain and use their muscles more effectively than women, as well as the increased amount of type 2 muscles that favor speed and strength, basic athletic attributes.
Testosterone affects the stamina as well, in that it leads to increased levels of red blood-cells, you know the guys that absorb oxygen.
And before you ask for a source, I'm doing this all by memory, of knowledge I thought was basic.
EDIT: Of course the guy already peaced out.
Fugu is a lost cause. As far as he/she is concerned, women could be dunking on 7 footers like Blake Griffin if they were simply encouraged to do so equally as much. This person lives in a fantasy world where men and women are identical forms of the human body. We might as well say men could birth kids too if the modern patriarchal system didn't discourage it so much.
every sentence here is gold
but i absolutely agree, we need to blast open these glass ceilings. we need to integrate the NBA. Although I think we should first concentrate on sports with more physical violence like the NFL. Time to show these men how sacking a quarterback is done.
breakfuss
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lol oh don't run now. You launched your silly polemic and people graciously responded. Anyone suggesting gender integration would be plausible simply doesn't understand basketball ...or basic biology. Choose!
Messi got growth hormones due to growth hormone deficiency.
I can't blame Taurasi for this at all. These women end up playing basketball year round for a pittance compared to the guys. I think it sucks that they can be so talented but unappreciated. They worked just as hard as the guys did growing up but their sport generates eye rolls from the general public. Pretty shitty.
I used to go to Seattle Storm games a lot, just to support the team and the league but I finally stopped when I realized I just hate basketball. They're one of the few teams that have a decent level of support within the community.
I used to go to Seattle Storm games a lot, just to support the team and the league but I finally stopped when I realized I just hate basketball. They're one of the few teams that have a decent level of support within the community.
I for one believe I would make a fantastic mother
This is not about being a doctor or leader or CEO. This is about playing sports.
Go read a high school biology book or something. It will open your mind.
Laughing Banana
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There are tons of examples in various sports around the world if you'd just stop trying to be PC and "correct" but failing miserably at it.
Who would still get completely shut down by the vast majority of NBA players.
...wut?
Feminism in its purest form isn't something that any reasonable individual would oppose, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's referring to some of the more bullshittery strains of third wave feminism that give it a bad name.
If I had to guess a sport where a woman is going to be competitive with men in the next decade or two, I'd say golf. The top of the women's LPGA tour in driving distance is around 270, which slides into the very low end of the men's scale. If a woman had elite accuracy and short game (which I assume are more attributable to technique and psychology than raw athleticism) to match that drive distance they could compete on the PGA tour.
I'm also likely missing some other factor that's prevented this from happening and I'd love for a hardcore golf fan to say exactly why.
I'm also likely missing some other factor that's prevented this from happening and I'd love for a hardcore golf fan to say exactly why.
He can believe women have similar physical properties but lack mental prowess, you know, cause theyre women, and they are driven by emotion. They cant run the 100m as fast as a man because they cant focus like men.
Manmademan
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Jesus Christ this thread is a train wreck. Basic biology is a thing, and there are some sports you simply cannot integrate.
Male/Female professional heavyweight boxing wouldn't just be "unfair" if you did, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.
Male/Female professional heavyweight boxing wouldn't just be "unfair" if you did, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.
RobotChant
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Is women's basketball popular in Russia? I've known that WNBA stars go overseas to play and supposedly make good money but I've never understood how or why. What is different in the Russian league that allows them to pay these players more money than the WNBA.
Confrontation
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Goalies in Women's Soccer are like the most hilarious thing ever.
Winterfang
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But nobody is saying that, the mayor difference is a physical one. The guys from the NBA all really tall except for exceptions like Iverson or JJ Barea (which are still fairly tall), they are more muscular and have a longer reach. As it's stand is fairly unfair,and an integration would cause some problems.
1-either some people are going to complain about the new sport made women look bad in comparison by highlighting the physical differences
2-some would complain because they feel the woman players needed the men to carry the team for them.
other option would be to have only men of similar build of the fellow women (similar weight and height) but that too will carry some controversy.
1-some will say makes some male athletes overqualified, which will hurt the sport.
2-others will say this makes the women look bad because they are not competing against the best athletes the male gender can offer.
This isn't a case like when black people weren't allowed to play in the NBA, because they well always capable of playing as good as their white counter parts as they were biologically the same.
It just wouldn't work in my person opinion.
enanogrande
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Serena herself has recognized she couldn't handle any top ranked men, ("Talking about playing against Andy Murray, she said "That would be fun. I doubt Id win a point, but that would be fun. and "Maybe I can get a game. Im not sure, but I think I can get a game.) but I don't know if she's said how low she would have to drop. I do know 'experts' have come out saying (multiple times) that she would have to drop into the 300-400's to consistently beat men.
It's not about a lack of skill, it's about a lack of physicality inherently missing from the vast majority of women.
Why can't people just accept that at least physically men and women are good at different things?
Girls can't compete at traditional sports but show me a man that can do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPcdj_wn4&feature=youtu.be
If you really want to find a problem in sports gender relations it should be that competitions in which women have the advantage aren't nearly as popular but even then you could make the argument that there are a lot of other reasons beyond sexism.
Girls can't compete at traditional sports but show me a man that can do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPcdj_wn4&feature=youtu.be
If you really want to find a problem in sports gender relations it should be that competitions in which women have the advantage aren't nearly as popular but even then you could make the argument that there are a lot of other reasons beyond sexism.
Women's gymnastics is waaaaaay more popular than men's gymnastics. What are other sports where women have the advantage?
I don't think they have an advantage because they are scored on different criteria. I don't think a top woman gymnast would do that well in the traditional male gymnastic events, which focus more on strength.
biggersmaller
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LOL. If there was a woman good enough to compete in any of the 4 pro leagues - she would be welcomed with open arms by any franchise lucky enough to get her. The publicity alone would be worth it even if she were to only start one game. The merchandising would be a bonanza.
Yeah many of the events are completely different so in that respect you're right, but I was mainly refuting the idea that sports in which women are "better" aren't popular which using the poster's own example of gymnastics isn't true. I just went with the assumption the poster meant if men had to compete in women's gymnastics they'd kill us... Which I'm not even sure that's true. A 15 year old boy that's had puberty stunted from training since he was 4 would probably perform in the women events just as well.
Honestly? I don't know. I assume men have the advantage in the overwhelming majority but there is probably some other stuff.
She wouldn't. Like a man wouldn't do well in the traditional female gymnastic events.
What? Gymnastics, female or male, isn't popular at all compared to any major sport, which was my point.
I like that they tried though. It was pretty cool when they launched it. It has never gained steam though, and these salary issues are embarrassing.
Umm ok. You can add that caveat now but in comparison to men's gymnastics and in the context of the Olympics it's very popular. People can name the names of female gymnasts. Not so much with the dudes.
Hmm... But why are they watching it...
For the
Sho_Nuff82
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The Olympics don't separate the sports by sexes because of gender norms. Men are on average stronger and faster and taller than women. In a sport that emphasizes height, speed, and quickness, those differences are exacerbated. The best WNBA center couldn't play in the NBA because she's too short to guard NBA centers and too slow to guard NBA guards. A player like Taurasi has been playing all her life, and she'd barely get a shot off in today's league.
biggersmaller
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I was deeply in love with Dominique Moceanu during the 1996 Olympics (don't worry, I was also 14 at the time). I couldn't even tell you how many times the women in my life commented on Michael Phelps or the asses of NFL players.
DiscoJer
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But what about the two most macho sports? Auto racing and competition shooting. Yet in both of those, women can (and do) compete with men.
In both those sports, physicality isn't nearly as important as skill, reflexes, and coordination, not muscles.
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