The Mana Legend
Banned
Map scrolls man. So. Many. Map scrolls.
That'll be my end game. I fucking love map scrolls.
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Torchlight II |OT| Good things come to those who wait
- Thread starter jim-jam bongs
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Map scrolls man. So. Many. Map scrolls.
That'll be my end game. I fucking love map scrolls.
jim-jam bongs
Member
yup, I'm hanging out for it too. might even have a crack at it myself, it's been a long time since I did any coding in windows and Durante has me believing that anything is possible with a little code and elbow-grease.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Actually, I changed my mind - I'm going Embermage. Those spell effects are just way too cool.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Yay, my OT title was used.
I'm pretty excited for this game. Got in on a 4-pack with some friends and we're just going to tear into it.
I'm pretty excited for this game. Got in on a 4-pack with some friends and we're just going to tear into it.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Anyone doing a 4-pack?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It is a complete deal-breaker for me. I was stunned when I found out it didn't have closed servers, the game went from a 9 on the hype meter to a 4 or 5. It's a $20 game so we have to be realistic but still, imagining how good this game would be with closed servers makes me sad. It'll still be a great game but one of the most important aspects of this genre for me and many others is loot and online co-op, and when you make the loot worthless due to hacking it's just a dagger to the game.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Whoa, what's this about hacking? Should I be worried about playing online?
Tesseract
Banned
aaannd i'm out. oh well.
IblisGinjo
Member
Hoping for one as well. Had it pre-ordered since April so I wouldn't mind some jankiness on the menus as long as the core game was playable as a twin-stick shooter with button and triggers as hotkeys....basically like the XBL Torchlight 1. It's not a big deal but it would me more comfortable for me to play.
Anyway looking forward to Outlander. The beta was pure fun.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Do you mean your computer? It's perfectly safe. We were just talking about the game's items and other things. People will have the best gear in the first few days due to hacks since the game is open server. Your PC/network/everything is safe.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
The argument is that if you have closed servers, the sanctity of the loot you pick up is unharmed. By allowing public servers, you allow people to hack their gear and make themselves badass without any work.
I understand the argument, but not playing a game based on a single detail is very hard for me to understand. It always seems like loot games in particular bring out the "One certain thing? That's it, I'm done" in people.
lol?
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Alright, thanks for the clarification. So as long as I play with legit players, like the lot of you GAF'ers, I don't have to be worried about playing with people with OP gear, right?
Preordered and torn between Berserker and Engineer. Melee oriented engineer sounds so awesome, but... berserker! With shadow animals!
It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it will relegate the game to the same status of Torchlight 1; a great game I will go through once, then never again. I feel pretty strongly about closed systems because I like feeling that I've "earned" rare stuff. In Torchlight 1 it's a non-issue since there was no official multiplayer, but in this I expect to see people running around with crazy shit day one, and I'm just like fuuuuck. I could see how it would be a dealbreaker for some people.
I'm probably just still bitter from the PSO days on that front though.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Instanced loot should be mandatory for these games, you crazy.
The thing with something like this is that it makes the game not worth venturing past your friend circle, in an open environment things are always going to just go to shit. I can see it being a dealbreaker, but it means very little to me as I'm just gonna be co-oping it with a partner.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's not a minor detail for lots of people. Imagine Diablo 3 being open server and everyone having insane hacked gear with 999999 dps... sure it would still be fun to play through the story and see everything but the online would be screwed, and it's a huge part of the game. Co-op, trading, having an economy, showing off your e-peen, and most importantly hunting for loot and upgrades which adds a lot of replay value. These things are not minor. If you don't intend on playing much online co-op, don't care about trading or the 'economy', don't care about showing off and being a badass, min-maxing your gear, hunting for those legendaries, then this is not an issue. All that shit is important to me. Loot is central to this genre.
Yep, that sums it up better.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yessss I got it 
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That's what I expected.
I was commenting more on the concept of a dealbreaker than that specific example. Like I said, I understand the complaint, even if I cannot empathize. I'm not really into comparing myself to those around me, and the rarity of stuff in loot games always feels purely systematic and artificial as opposed to a payoff of my hard work. (I think this is why I don't get along with MMO's)
I like online co-op, and I'm psyched for the game. I probably won't play with people who hack their equipment to keep the game balanced and fun. But the concept of "e-peen" and showing off your shit might be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
However, your response highlights that this isn't a detail, but rather a bigger picture matter. And that makes more sense to me.
jim-jam bongs
Member
for clarity since the doomsayers-with-no-obvious-affiliations have already arrived:
- online fully supports mods
- the host selects the mods to allow
- the client can see what mods the host is running
it's really not all that different from quakeworld.
- online fully supports mods
- the host selects the mods to allow
- the client can see what mods the host is running
it's really not all that different from quakeworld.
CadetMahoney
Member
XBLA version controlled beautifully, I thought it was a console game. Didn't know it was a PC port.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I edit way, way, way too much and I need to stop doing that.
Perhaps the difference in perspective is because I'll probably end up playing with a limited group of people anyway, so I probably won't run into the larger crowds of Super Weapon hackers.
fo sho
Instanced loot is a godsend and every multiplayer game with loot should have it, period. It's 2012!
Yep.
If you think you can finish it up in the next 2-3 days sure. It's still a great game, but otherwise you'd probably be better off just getting the sequels I'd imagine.
Dont think I would be able to but I also dont mind waiting on playing sequels if I pick up the first iteration and its good. Borderlands II is already bought, since I just beat the first and the DLC with my GF and she want more. But I wouldnt mind waiting on Torch II, if Torch I is an enjoyable experience.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Man it's hard to balance this and GW2 XD
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Just get TL2, skip the first as it's very repetitive. Looks like the sequel is much improved and added some really good features.
Nice op, jim-jam! Berserker is so close; I can almost feel it. That class is the only melee class I've ever enjoyed in isometric ARPGs. Engineer, however, didn't hook me. I want to get into it, because I like the idea of a warrior minion master, but it just didn't feel interesting enough and it combated too safely. The beta didn't seem like it foreshadowed how it'd play later on, though. They really have to get the Embermage's balance right this time. Alchemist was fucking bonkers in TL1.
One really great feature that isn't mentioned much is how the multiplayer mob difficulty scales by proximity to other players. If you're all grouped together mobs are more difficult, but if you're by yourself, mobs are as difficulty as they'd be in a single-player game. At least I think that's how it worked.
Yeah I don't care either. I played a lot of open battle.net on D2 and kind of grew to like some of the hackers, even though I couldn't stand how they'd fuck with me. (Zipping around with an aura of instagib, clearing out entire areas.) It's great that you can view enabled mods, and so long as you can kick players, I'm fine with hackers (provided they don't nuke zones before you can kick 'em.)
One really great feature that isn't mentioned much is how the multiplayer mob difficulty scales by proximity to other players. If you're all grouped together mobs are more difficult, but if you're by yourself, mobs are as difficulty as they'd be in a single-player game. At least I think that's how it worked.
Yeah I don't care either. I played a lot of open battle.net on D2 and kind of grew to like some of the hackers, even though I couldn't stand how they'd fuck with me. (Zipping around with an aura of instagib, clearing out entire areas.) It's great that you can view enabled mods, and so long as you can kick players, I'm fine with hackers (provided they don't nuke zones before you can kick 'em.)
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Torchlight I is more or less Diablo 1, whereas Torchlight II is more or less Diablo 2.
If you want a very tight dungeon-and-town only loot action experience, pick up the first. But the second one is much more expansive and looks to be like a much better game.
jim-jam bongs
Member
that Torchlight 2 is going to a much better game than Boredomlands 2. just like the first time around.
Ahahahahaha! Damn, you never fail to make me laugh.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I look forward to trying this one out. I beat the first one once (which is only about 10 hours spent with the game admittedly) and enjoyed it overall, but, I am not the biggest fan of the actual core combat. Not enough active abilities (at least with the heavy melee dude) which made combat boil down to one button spam by the end of the game, too many passive abilities and auras which I find generally boring. Also ughhhhhh mana pot spam.
I didn't play the beta and have avoided most videos up until now so I am going into Torchlight II pretty blind on what to expect, hope it fixes most problems I personally had.
I didn't play the beta and have avoided most videos up until now so I am going into Torchlight II pretty blind on what to expect, hope it fixes most problems I personally had.
Before a giant debate happens, I'll just get this out of the way:
I enjoyed both Torchlight and Borderlands. Played Borderlands more times though (but didn't play TL until years later).
Soo...yeah. Both good games.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Oh don't worry, enjoy what you like.
I just simply agreed with jim because people are baffled that the two games came out together and suddenly lambast TLII
I just simply agreed with jim because people are baffled that the two games came out together and suddenly lambast TLII
Piercedveil
Member
Nice OT! I think I'm going to play as an Outlander since I went melee in the first one. Not sure yet though!
Oh don't worry, enjoy what you like.
I just simply agreed with jim because people are baffled that the two games came out together and suddenly lambast TLII
I like them both (except for the TL Dark Zealots...)! I just don't understand their marketing reasoning to release the game at the nigh-same time as BL2.
Oh don't worry, enjoy what you like.
I just simply agreed with jim because people are baffled that the two games came out together and suddenly lambast TLII
I think people are baffled because they had all summer to release the game, but instead they waited until the biggest MMO was releasing an expansion and another loot game was releasing to finally release their game.
I don't think that makes TL2 a lesser game at all, but it is pretty bad timing for release.
torchlight > borderlands, sorry Ourobolos
Oh trust me, I WANT to agree with you.
But at this point an FPS-loot hybrid has taken the throne from D2 for me.