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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Is it just me or is this game very reminiscent of Silent Hill 3?
Folks in later areas might probably know what I mean ..
Folks in later areas might probably know what I mean ..
Tormented Souls 2 |OT| Where Nightmares Have Fixed Camera
Gonzito
Gold Member
The first "alternate" area of the game:
This is genuinely a better Silent Hill than any non-remake non-Team Silent game so far. I'm... actually amazed.
Is it really that good?
ssringo
Member
On one hand, yeah it's pretty damn good.
On the other hand, those qualifiers just amount to saying it's better than what series fans generally consider the mid or bad Silent Hill games so...
GrayChild
Member
Yes. Yes, it is.
I know it's subjective, but for me this game absolutely destroys both Silent Hill f AND Cronos: The New Dawn. We're talking about (almost) old-school Capcom and Team Silent levels of goodness.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Yes. Yes, it is.
I know it's subjective, but for me this game absolutely destroys both Silent Hill f AND Cronos: The New Dawn. We're talking about (almost) old-school Capcom and Team Silent levels of goodness.
Holy moly. Well I guess I will have to play it soon
Saint Boot Gaming
Member
I have several bugs in my game. Deluxe edition outfits disappearing upon death, gets replaced by three of the default outfits. The trophy for saving for the first time is bugged because it does not register until the third save. I have had several walls when transitioning screens glitch green as if struggling to load in. I still like the game though. Taking a break from it to play Fatal Frame 4 on my channel. EDIT: Unlike Silent Hill F, Tormented Souls (both) and Fatal Frame (all) really do feel scary to me. SECOND EDIT: This does not imply that Silent Hill F is terrible, only tha the atmosphere and story and gameplay are not hooking me in like the previously mentioned games have. Once I get that true ending (I am on 3rd playthrough now) Silent Hill F is not a game I will play again.
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mèx
Gold Member
If this were called Resident Evil: Caroline everyone would be saying how good this game is and how Capcom can still do classic horror so well.
I'm half-joking, everyone would complain how puzzle heavy this is and that there is no item management.
Btw something really great about this game is the camera work. Thanks to the game being full 3D, they are much more flexible with the camera with respect to something like REmake. In REmake the camera cuts are much more stark due to its pre-rendered nature, while here they can use different techniques and angles. I really like that.
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Saint Boot Gaming
Member
there was a patch update an hour or two ago on ps5. anyone know what it fixes?
GrayChild
Member
Not that obtuse, but still more frequent and complex than pretty much every modern horror game.
ssringo
Member
I wouldn't say they're necessarily "hard" in that once you have them figured out the answer is pretty easy/obvious. However if your brain doesn't pick up on the logic behind what the game wants you to do then it'll seem obtuse as hell. I used a pencil and paper for one simply to help visualize what the game wanted.
I will say there's one that younger folks might have a problem with. Being slightly facetious here but I have met a few that didn't know how to read an analog clock and if you don't know how, well, you're fucked!
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Valt7786
Member
Something to do with standard versions getting deluxe costumes or something.
Loaded up my save (on deluxe version) and im wearing a totally different outfit that i didnt have before :/
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
I'm not looking for the solution for this specific puzzle but if someone can tell me if this is meant to be obtuse/vague or if I just missed the clue/info somewhere else and I'll just run around in circles until I find it I would greatly appreciate it.
I just found the gold, silver and bronze "rotating letters" at the cemetery with the metal detector and I'm guessing I have to use them with the other 2 fixed one on position 2-4 our of the 5-letter word. I have no idea how I'm supposed to figure what the solution is. I'm guessing it's the name of someone? Am I supposed to already know this by now or did I miss anything? Again, I'm not looking for the solution just a little nudge.
mèx
Gold Member
Look at what he has on his chest. Did you see someone with that somewhere? Also the carvings on the tombstone can give a hint of who he is.
I actually spent a good 40 mins trying to incorrectly find a solution by looking at the graves up the stairs in the cemetery. There are exactly 5 tombstones with names and dates there, and I thought I had to do some stuff with those letters based on the dates. But no, that has nothing to do with the puzzle or any puzzles.
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mèx
Gold Member
I finished it, the game counter says 15 hours but the Steam counter says 22. Probably it's around 18-20 with all the reloading I did. For reference Tormented Souls 1 took me 12 hours (Steam counter).
This is one of the best classic survival horror games I've played, it's up there with the best.
The atmosphere, environments, camera work and sound design are its main strong point. It's basically Tormented Souls 1 but better in every way, there are lots of QoLs with respect to the previous game too. It plays quite smoothly overall, and that includes the tank controls, the turn angle is quite sharp and Caroline feels pretty agile overall.
The puzzles are much less obtuse than Tormented Souls 1, and thank god for that. I still had to look up a couple of things since I'm a dumb ass that likes to overcomplicate stuff. Like the first game, they forego item management in exchange for brainy puzzles.
The combat is serviceable, but it's still much better than the first game, at least now you have to commit to reloading. I don't think a survival horror game needs a complex combat system, this is more than enough. Sometimes it's difficult to gauge when you should dodge, even though the dodge has tons of i-frames.
Unfortunately the game has quite a few bugs, I had to reload saves a couple of times because of those. I hope they can fix those soon, it's not good to have soft-locking bugs in a game with limited saves, reloading could cost you a lot of progress. I recommend staggering saves instead of overriding the same save file, just in case.
And speaking of the limited save system, I ended the game with 15 recording tapes. Not sure what's the point of the limited save system when you have so many items to save. I know it's a trope of this genre but I don't know how I feel about that (it was the same in the first game).
Highly recommended to any fan of classic survival horror for sure. I hope this is successful enough to warrant a sequel, maybe with a different protagonist, since Caroline's plot should be over I guess.
EDIT: I got the good ending but I looked it up beforehand. Actually a part of the process I did myself, the second part I would have never guessed, the devs should add a prompt to a certain person to give you a hint at least.
This is one of the best classic survival horror games I've played, it's up there with the best.
The atmosphere, environments, camera work and sound design are its main strong point. It's basically Tormented Souls 1 but better in every way, there are lots of QoLs with respect to the previous game too. It plays quite smoothly overall, and that includes the tank controls, the turn angle is quite sharp and Caroline feels pretty agile overall.
The puzzles are much less obtuse than Tormented Souls 1, and thank god for that. I still had to look up a couple of things since I'm a dumb ass that likes to overcomplicate stuff. Like the first game, they forego item management in exchange for brainy puzzles.
The combat is serviceable, but it's still much better than the first game, at least now you have to commit to reloading. I don't think a survival horror game needs a complex combat system, this is more than enough. Sometimes it's difficult to gauge when you should dodge, even though the dodge has tons of i-frames.
Unfortunately the game has quite a few bugs, I had to reload saves a couple of times because of those. I hope they can fix those soon, it's not good to have soft-locking bugs in a game with limited saves, reloading could cost you a lot of progress. I recommend staggering saves instead of overriding the same save file, just in case.
And speaking of the limited save system, I ended the game with 15 recording tapes. Not sure what's the point of the limited save system when you have so many items to save. I know it's a trope of this genre but I don't know how I feel about that (it was the same in the first game).
Highly recommended to any fan of classic survival horror for sure. I hope this is successful enough to warrant a sequel, maybe with a different protagonist, since Caroline's plot should be over I guess.
EDIT: I got the good ending but I looked it up beforehand. Actually a part of the process I did myself, the second part I would have never guessed, the devs should add a prompt to a certain person to give you a hint at least.
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ssringo
Member
I think this is one of those things that's really tough to balance around since you can't control how often people use those limited saves; especially newcomers to this style of game. And you probably don't want to turn people off by putting them in a situation where they have to complete a tough/long section of the game and can't save before/after. Not to mention with the way this game is designed you can find yourself wandering for a long time and wind up wasting a save after finally figuring out what to do not realizing you really only made a few minutes of progress. This problem is alleviated to some extent by difficulty settings but then you have the argument of locking your harder difficulty behind finishing the game.
That said, yeah they were rather generous with the save items. I'm in the cemetery with half a dozen and have been saving more than necessary.
mèx
Gold Member
There are a few different locations that comprise Villa Hess, and they are all explorable:
- Convent
- Town + Mall
- Processing Plant
- Cemetery
- School
- Church + Bunker
The game is far meatier than the Tormented Souls 1 for sure. There isn't much "side" exploration, in the sense that you go to each area in sequence, and you explore within that area.
Don't read too much into my playtime, I reloaded quite a few times to do things a bit more optimally (and sometimes because of a couple bugs).
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Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
Question for someone who has finished the game. What's the point of the bad ending? What was Caroline's goal in putting Anna in the Cryo-thingy?
mèx
Gold Member
I think that's a last desperate attempt to preserve her life and to wait for better times / for someone to find her eventually. Maybe after all that time the bunker is not on lockdown anymore, or something might happen that let Anna escape from the bunker. There is also the matter of resources/food.
In Tormented Souls 1 the good ending was the canon ending, it's the same here probably.
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protonion
Member
3 hours in, I am at the mall. I had a couple of good scares...
Fantastic game but I hoped they would improve the clunkiness of the action part.
They enemies should be more patient! I mess up every time switching between lighter and gun...
In any case, an awesome classic RE clone.
Fantastic game but I hoped they would improve the clunkiness of the action part.
They enemies should be more patient! I mess up every time switching between lighter and gun...
In any case, an awesome classic RE clone.
protonion
Member
Finished the third boss!
Ammo is very tight at this point. I had only one crossbow shot at the end of the fight. I cannot imagine doing much of the fight with the crowbar...
In any case the game just keeps getting better.
The puzzles are amazing and I'm glad the team didn't tone them down from the first game.
The maps are also so well thought with perfect shortcuts.
And it pisses me off when threads for games like this are buried and the popular shit games are constantly on the front page.
To all the people that complain about no good games and make threads that they will take a break from gaming... It's your stupid choices.
Ammo is very tight at this point. I had only one crossbow shot at the end of the fight. I cannot imagine doing much of the fight with the crowbar...
In any case the game just keeps getting better.
The puzzles are amazing and I'm glad the team didn't tone them down from the first game.
The maps are also so well thought with perfect shortcuts.
And it pisses me off when threads for games like this are buried and the popular shit games are constantly on the front page.
To all the people that complain about no good games and make threads that they will take a break from gaming... It's your stupid choices.
mèx
Gold Member
Patch 1.3.2 is live on Steam.
They fixed quite a few bugs, this is a great time to jump in if you were on the fence!
Hey everyone!
Thank you for your patience as we worked through all of your feedback and bug reports over the past few weeks
Following a short beta period we have now rolled out patch 1.3.2 which should address over 60 issues including the softlocks that have been frustrating players since launch.
IMPORTANT: During the beta period we were made aware of two instances of persisting softlocks in 1.3.2:
Issue 1: Sometimes the main cemetery (tomb dials) puzzle does not trigger correctly after it is completed.
Solution: Ensure that you save in the Cemetery Office immediately after entering the cemetery area for the first time. If you encounter the softlock issue reloading the Cemetery Office save should clear the bug.
Issue 2: In rare instances, fuse items placed in the School Generator Room or held in the players inventory in v1.2 are disappearing in v1.3.2. We are investigating why this is happening.
Solution: For some players collecting the fuse items from the fuse box and saving in v1.2 before switching over to v1.3.2 resolves the issue.
As an extra precaution we are keeping the v1.2 of the game live on a separate public beta branch so that players can revert to this version if need be.
Here is the full changelog for v1.3.2:
Gameplay
- Fixed: Registry achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Master Key achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Hoplophile achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Serial Killer achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Vindication achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Ranger achievement unlock condition
- Fixed: Upper Wing elevator became unusable and displayed a message about insufficient power
- Fixed: Warehouse elevator became unusable and displayed a message about insufficient power
- Fixed: School elevator became unusable and displayed a message about insufficient power
- Fixed: Burial Chamber elevator became unusable and displayed a message about insufficient power
- Fixed: Players could go out of bounds in the Cemetery Grounds
- Fixed: Players could go out of bounds in the Arcade
- Fixed: The darkness mechanic not triggering in the Lower Wing
- Fixed: Joseph's diary, "03. The Dark Book is Here!", could be obtained twice
- Removed the (unintended) fifth Joseph diary entry
- Fixed: Players could lose control of the Kitchen and the Playground moveable objects
- Fixed: Unlocked Laboratory door would lock again when leaving the area
- Fixed: Elevator Passage elevator to the Ancient Temple became unusable and displayed a message about insufficient power
- Fixed: Soft lock when pressing the change target input
- Fixed: Soft lock in the Iron Maiden boss fight when interacting with the boss during stand-up animation
- Fixed: Item pick-up interactions in the Iron Maiden boss fight were unresponsive
- Fixed: Iron Maiden jumped to downed animation if hit during the roar animation
- Fixed: Iron Maiden cutscene would freeze if the inventory was open upon Iron Maiden's defeat
- Fixed: Soft lock in the Harvester boss fight
- Fixed: An unusable Harpoon could be collected after the Harvester was defeated
- Fixed: Dr Hertz boss entered down stage before all other enemies were defeated
- Added additional visuals to Dr Hertz defeat animation
- Fixed: Caroline's death animation would be in mid-air when killed by Pighead's grab attack
- Fixed: Lighting in Pighead defeated cutscene
- Fixed: The final boss would sometimes stop attacking
- Fixed: The final boss could be damaged during its invulnerable stage
- Fixed: Game crashed after defeating the final boss while spamming multiple inputs during cutscenes
- Tweaked the final boss's animations during the close-up camera
- Fixed: Enemies in the South Corridor were unaffected by Nailer shots
- Fixed: Invisible enemies in the Computer Lab
- Fixed: Enemy behaviour in the Janitor's Room tunnel
- Fixed: Turning off DLC costumes removed the white t-shirt outfit
- Fixed: Keyboard and mouse input rebinding not functioning correctly
- Fixed: Aiming issue when changing from controller Type C to keyboard and mouse controls
- Fixed: 3rd and 4th save slots did not work as intended
- Fixed: Cryptex interaction soft lock
- Fixed: Players could get stuck in the environment after completing the Pharmacy fridge puzzle
- Fixed: The VHS Tape - Freezer item could be removed from the VHS player in the Conference Room
- Fixed: Third reliquary piece could sometimes be blocked by an invisible placeholder item
- Fixed: Reliquary pieces would sometimes disappear when leaving the area
- Fixed: Four Horsemen puzzle interaction soft lock
- Fixed: Four Horsemen puzzle soft lock when closing the interact window quickly after pressing a rotate button
- Fixed: Fuses would sometimes disappear after being placed in the Generator Room fuse board slots
- Fixed: Hawk Figurine could not be obtained if the safe in the Other Side was closed
- Fixed: Church elevator will sometimes display "No power"
Localisation and Text
- Changed the description of Gasoline, Coil Nails, Acid Test Tubes, and Powder and Shot to inform players that these are ammo items (still missing in PT-BR)
- Fixed: Incorrect text when attempting to combine items with the Shotgun
- Fixed: Typo for Extended Automatic Nailer (EN)
- Fixed: Results screen displayed an incorrect number of enemies killed
- Fixed: Typo in Sister Miriam's diary, "04. Sister Inquisitor" (EN)
- Implemented the missing translation when interacting with the table in the Torture Museum
- Fixed: Text disappeared too quickly on Chapter House door puzzle
- Fixed: French translation during Crematorium cutscene
- Fixed: Incorrect text displayed when examining the Cassette Player for the first time
- Fixed: Incorrect interaction text in Upper Wing
- Fixed: Incorrect text displayed when examining the Club Key
- The credits have been updated
Visuals
- Fixed: V-Sync not working as intended
- Fixed: Enemy death animation would repeat
- Fixed: Ammo count remained in quickslot after weapon shortcut was changed
- Fixed: Button layout Type C displayed the wrong button icon when being grabbed by enemies
- Fixed: Caroline disappeared from cutscenes
- Fixed: Lighting issue when interacting with the judas cradle in the Torture Museum
- Fixed: Trench coat outfit would disappear in the Iron Maiden defeated cutscene
- Fixed: Plant Sprayer model incorrect textures
- Fixed: Lighting issue in Butcher Shop Cellar
- Added missing elevator map icons in Reception
- Fixed: Slaughter Room door lights would turn off after leaving the room
- Fixed: Cemetery constellation boards obscured by descriptive text
- Fixed: Camera issue in Mass Grave (Other Side)
- Fixed: Computer Lab combination key icon not displayed on the map after interaction
- Fixed: Girls' Restroom mirror candles obscured by poor lighting
- Fixed: Apple Seeds reappeared after the Classroom 103 puzzle was completed
- The brightness has been increased during the bad ending cutscene
- Fixed: VHS puzzle icons not updating on the map after completion
- Fixed: Incorrect Unreal Engine icon on taskbar
Audio
- Fixed: The shadows audio continued after death
- Fixed: Some items contained within breakables objects missing SFX
- Implemented the missing brazen bull SFX
- Implemented the missing blood statue SFX
- Reduced the volume of the steam pipe SFX
- Corrected the School Basement elevator interaction SFX
- Fixed: Classroom 103 teacher breathing SFX continued after completing the puzzle
- Implemented the missing Bunker elevator doors SFX
- Fixed: Dr Hertz boss fight music would end without looping
Known issues
- End slate displays the incorrect number of health items used
- End slate displays the incorrect number of saves made
- Caroline's animation can get stuck when using tank controls and switching quickly from running to the inventory
- New ammo descriptions for Gasoline, Coil Nails, Acid Test Tubes, and Powder and Shot are missing in PT-BR
- Dr Hertz death cutscene plays in 4:3
- Examining the Lighter displays no or incorrect description text
- Settings cannot be upscaled to 2K and 4K
- Reliquary piece models are too bright
- Elevator alarm SFX continues when game is paused
- Camera gets stuck when the cutscene of Caroline entering the Freezer (Past) is skipped
- Players must interact with Joseph twice to get "02. The Sacred Book of the Nephilim"
- Caroline can get stuck in the environment when pushed by enemies
- Joseph's diary 04, "04. The Evil Spell", can be picked up in both the Playground and the Train Station
- Isabella's diary 03, "03. Children are Disappearing", can be picked up in both Classroom 103 and Arcade
- Incorrect icon display for upgraded Shotgun
- Ghost enemies can get stuck on Caroline when attacking simultaneously
- Shotgun displays incorrect inventory icon when second additional barrel is combined without first additional barrel
They fixed quite a few bugs, this is a great time to jump in if you were on the fence!
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
This game is really good, I like it even better than 1. It really does feel like a spiritual successor to RE1. I like figuring out what to do with the tools and creative ways you can use them, examine things, and alter things on them to solve puzzles.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Damn, encountered a game breaking bug. Can't advance until it's patched. Devs said they're working on it from 2 weeks ago, still nothing. Oh well, I was loving it too. Googled it and others have experienced the same bug in the school with the fuse.
daninthemix
Member
I had that exact same bug. For me it was caused by the patch (1.2 I think?). Basically the fuses disappeared from the fusebox and my inventory. I reverted the patch and they came back.
It is good but maybe a little too long. Or rather, some of the puzzles solutions require a few too many back-and-forth steps, resulting in some areas starting to drag.
swing_harder
Member
I just finished the Silent Hill 2 Remake yesterday (incredible experience) and was looking for my next survival horror adventure. I was going to pick this up, but saw the first game on sale for $4.99 on PSN. Since I never played the first game, I jumped on it. Minus the horrible voice acting, my first impressions are very positive.
mèx
Gold Member
For how much I love the game, it needed more time in the oven. There were lots of small bugs before patch 1.3.2, and there are still some left to fix.
Try to downgrade to v1.2 if you are playing on PC.
Giallo Corsa
Member
Damn, thanks for the heads-up brother !
Had a game breaking bug in Cronos the new Dawn and...Im not going through such a thing ever again, having spent money and wanting to actually play the game but not being able to is infuriating (to say the least), thankfully, they patched it 4 days later so...
I'll go through the 1st game since it goes for a fiver right now and I'll jump into 2 when everything is fixed.
Cheers
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I've encountered several. One time I got stuck in a corner and couldn't move and had to reload a save. Another I was outside in the streets and was tapping X in near some trash to see if any items were there and somehow I entered a door that was all the way down the street and around the corner.
I'm playing on ps5, were you? If so, I'll try deleting the game data and playing on the base version until I get past this part.
swing_harder
Member
I thought I encountered one in the first game. At the very beginning, I went to search a dark corner of a hallway and my entire screen went black for a few seconds and then I died. This was before I found the lighter and figured out that you can't venture into the dark without it equipped. Nonetheless, I was pissed because I had to replay the entire intro. My wife, who heard me yelling at the game, walked in the room right as Caroline wakes up nude in the bathtub "milking" the ventilator tube in her mouth. She looked at the screen and then just turned around and walked out. Didn't say a word to me