TPM: Vitriol from Sanders' campaign coming from the top
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Dash_Riprock
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Shocking.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Surprised he's such a sore loser. He already accomplished a lot, take it with stride instead.
Big Baybee
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Why are they lies? Just your gut feeling? Or do you have sources?
ShadowKingpin
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"Sources". Right. Just another pointless hit piece based on "sources". Nothing to see here.
My 'sources' could claim that this author is a raging alcoholic with a huge boner for Hillary, but it must be right. Oh, HillaryGAF.
My 'sources' could claim that this author is a raging alcoholic with a huge boner for Hillary, but it must be right. Oh, HillaryGAF.
teruterubozu
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Does this dude? All I see is nebulous language like "seems", "perhaps", "might", etc.
Dash_Riprock
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Just once, I'd like to see someone not dismiss any negative article on Sanders as some part of Establishment Conspiracy. Its so childish.
i know someone who can really get themselves swallowed up by the team mentality. it's weird being only a couple years older and having to kind of tone it down. they listen to me since i followed the 2008/2010/2012 elections pretty closely and learned a lot in that time, but i'm worried about the general election because i think the common enemy they see is within their own party and not outside it. i try not to hamper their excitement because i think it's just positive they're interested in politics, but i'm pretty pragmatic this election cycle given the alternative and what's at stake, so our candidates aren't the same.
i just hope that basically young people not turning out to vote really super doesn't hurt the democrats this time around, and there isn't a lot of hate-voting for trump. on the flip-side there might be a lot of fear-voting against trump so maybe it'll even out.
i just hope that basically young people not turning out to vote really super doesn't hurt the democrats this time around, and there isn't a lot of hate-voting for trump. on the flip-side there might be a lot of fear-voting against trump so maybe it'll even out.
Big Baybee
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Seems like the writer of this article has sources. Not sure what would convince you. Name dropping? Everyone isn't out to get Bernie.
This article isn't even controversial. Bernie is in control of his campaign and has set the tone for how it will conduct itself.
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to claim the editor in chief of the Talking Points Memo made it up and you are just as reliable? This isnt some random blogger.
What.The.Fuck. TPM has been around years and is a legitimate respected liberal news outlet.
So please, stop embarrassing yourself.
old manatee
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But did he scream like Howard Dean?
teruterubozu
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I don't need convincing, I frankly don't give a shit. We're just beating a dead donkey at this point.
ShadowKingpin
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It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
It's an article not based on fact, but rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
Don't be this obtuse. It isnt a rumor. He said his sources explicitly told him this. And Josh Marshall has high up sources in ALL the campaigns. He is a highly respected long time political journalist. He doesn't make stuff up or report on rumors.
Stop this nonsense dude.
Josh Marshall being "Hillary Kool-Aid" is....what in the actual hell. How ANY self-respecting liberal can write off Josh fucking Marshall is beyond reason.
ClosingADoor
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You are aware that journalists use unnamed sources a lot, so that they can actually get information from them that they would otherwise not get? That is basic journalism and totally normal.It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
I seriously don't get why Sanders is doing this stuff. Just drop out already and work with the party to get at least part of the stuff you campaign for. This "everything or nothing" strategy is bullshit.
John Kowalski
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It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
are you seriously dismissing the article whole sale because it claims to have anonymous sources
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Punchy4486
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It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
And did you see that bitch eating crackers like she owned the place?
Tal Shiar Agent
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Well most of his supporters are essentially children.
cartoon_soldier
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It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
Bernie insinuating Hillary is corrupt for giving wall Street speeches also has no proof.
Bernie saying that the Democratic party is corrupt is not based on any sources.
ShadowKingpin
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Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
I still cant get over that Marshall is being dismissed as a Hillary shill making stuff up. What alternate universe did I wake up in in which Mashall isn't one of the most highly respected left-leaning journalists out there for the past decade?
You believe yourself over one of the most highly respected left-leaning journalists in the country, do you understand how that makes you look literally INSANE?
Thats like saying when major news sources reported there were no WMD's in Iraq going "nah they are there, I rather believe my OWN personal source my gut".
Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
You believe yourself over one of the most highly respected left-leaning journalists in the country, do you understand how that makes you look literally INSANE?
Thats like saying when major news sources reported there were no WMD's in Iraq going "nah they are there, I rather believe my OWN personal source my gut".
ClosingADoor
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And exactly what political reasons would there be for this journalist to make up this story? Why would he put his reputation on the line for that and what would he have to gain from it?Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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that's not unbased it's obviously gospel.
Dash_Riprock
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It's an article not based on fact, but a rumor from unnamed 'sources'. If that doesn't raise any flags, then I will be more than happy to pour you a glass of the same Kool-Aid that HillaryGAF is drinking.
This is your first election isn't it?
Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
You're starting to sound like a Trump supporter.
NoblesseOblige
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What is it with posts ending in smiley faces being ridiculous 95% the time.
Big Baybee
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TPM doing hit pieces on Bernie Sanders lolSorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
Made up hit pieces! I mean it obviously makes plenty of sense Marshall would throw out his years and years of building up respect to insult Bernie fans for the lolz.
psynergylover
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Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
Lol, this guy
It's a hit piece? It's essentially saying that what Bernie has been saying has come from Bernie. Given his speech last night where these words were coming out of his mouth, should we think otherwise? I think it's worse if you're saying he's being duped because then I wouldn't think him fit to be President. He is essentially issuing ultimatums and tearing the party down. Do you disagree? So from your opinion, where is the negativity?
old manatee
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Bernie is an angry and irrational political outsider being driven by his hatred of women.
Ive been noticing that for a few months now (in general, not that specific poster). The infighting talking points were very similar, especially around the time the Republicans were considering a brokered convention. The trump side has eased up on those once the RNC accepted their fate, tho.
Come on we don't need to go to that level dude.
dave is ok
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I knew Bernie was a racist, woman hating, Trump supporting, GamerGater. Just like GAF told me
He isn't, Bernie is well intentioned. I voted for him in MI. But no doubt his fanbase and gamergate are often pulling from the same pool of angry 20 something white guys. I can't see how anyone can deny that crossover.
Bernie's biggest flaw that tore down his campaign is he attracted a lot of just terrible people to his campaign that served as terrible examples of outreach and support that turned off millions who may otherwise support him.
Angry white millennial dudes aren't a base of supporters that appeal to many.
Even if I were to pretend Bernie wasn't actively responsible for his campaign's day to day happenings, he would still be ultimately responsible for the perception people are forming of him. It's his failure to secure delegates for the past few months that he hasn't been able to overcome the "what exactly is he planning to accomplish" stories that have dominated the headlines. It's his failure that for the past few months that we haven't heard anything new from him besides "I'm gonna fight as long as I can." Just the same old rhetoric that doesn't do anything to expand his support among the other, more numerous segments of the democratic base. The same kind of endless rhetoric that mixed in with the air of desperation fuels and kindles the flames of his supporters. It's been the same "fight, fight" message for a while now. He is absolutely responsible for how people on both side of the divide view him.
He seems so laser focused just on holding his people that he's essentially stopped campaigning for new supporters. With him giving up on black voters, giving up on running a negative campaign like a typical politician, it now seems as if he's giving up on doing more to win the nomination and opting to fight for the sake of fighting.
He seems so laser focused just on holding his people that he's essentially stopped campaigning for new supporters. With him giving up on black voters, giving up on running a negative campaign like a typical politician, it now seems as if he's giving up on doing more to win the nomination and opting to fight for the sake of fighting.
Wafflecakes
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Not really surprising considering what we have been seeing.
The Bernie supporter meltdowns are fun to watch though.
The Bernie supporter meltdowns are fun to watch though.
Orbis Tabula
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This is very disappointing to me.
Oppo
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yeah, this is not good for the democratic party... which seems to be Bernie's intent at this point.
he's going down like the sorest of losers. I liked his populist finger pointing at the beginning – and Hillary is essentially the like mom from Arrested Development so not super fond of her at this point – but this is no good. he can't win, he's just fomenting dissent. he wants to take a piece of the party he doesn't even technically belong to down, if he can't take Hillary.
he's gonna cause a bunch of disaffected young Bernie voters to sit out the election, out of spite, and that sucks for America.
he's going down like the sorest of losers. I liked his populist finger pointing at the beginning – and Hillary is essentially the like mom from Arrested Development so not super fond of her at this point – but this is no good. he can't win, he's just fomenting dissent. he wants to take a piece of the party he doesn't even technically belong to down, if he can't take Hillary.
he's gonna cause a bunch of disaffected young Bernie voters to sit out the election, out of spite, and that sucks for America.
I've been concerned with Bernie's decisions for a while now. They seem to be a couple steps below a scorched earth policy. These aren't the tactics of someone who I want representing the Democratic party.
In any case, Bernie is actively hindering the Democrats with this rhetoric (and what he condones from supporters that help run HIS campaign). I hope he changes his mind and decides to help the Democrats win an election and not sooth his ego. Bernie cannot win the nomination at this point and the incendiary words attacking the establishment will do nothing but hurt Hillary in the general election.
In any case, Bernie is actively hindering the Democrats with this rhetoric (and what he condones from supporters that help run HIS campaign). I hope he changes his mind and decides to help the Democrats win an election and not sooth his ego. Bernie cannot win the nomination at this point and the incendiary words attacking the establishment will do nothing but hurt Hillary in the general election.
Journalism that doesn't align with your worldview is not automatically a hit piece.Sorry. I understand sources are used for Journalists, but this just seems like another stupid hit piece for Political reasons. But, hey, you guys can believe what you want. I'll just believe my 'sources'.
My impression of all of this that Bernie did better in this race than he ever expected, and because of that he's increasingly unwilling to let it go. The fact that he can still raise money and win contests probably helps mask the math that preclude him from becoming the nominee.
I'm not really sure what his goal is anymore though. Is it actually to win? If he really believes that's still realistically in his grasp, then he needs super delegates to come to his side -- which he makes harder and harder for himself by painting the party as a rigged and corrupt institution. Or does he just want to drive a progressive policy platform that defeats Trump and sets the tone for the party going forward? In which case he should probably stop poisoning the well and continuing to strip along supporters into viewing the party as their enemy.
Basically, I don't know what Bernie really wants as a long-term goal, but he's not working toward any of them right now.
Diprosalic
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after 50 odd years of doing politics finally someone gives a shit what you have to say, must be hard to give that up especially when he gets treated like a rockstar by the kids.
I honestly think this has a lot to do with it.
Dash_Riprock
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As I've said, at this point he believes his own hype.
SillyEskimo
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He's poisoning the well. I'm really disappointed in the turn he has taken. He has lost a lot of my respect in a very short amount of time.
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