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MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Perhaps in the case of the pages ive shown
But keep in mind that there are other examples such as
The dead universe creature that shows up in brainstorm's workshop
When braimstorm goes to the bar during the first story arc with megatron we see him pouring enrgon into homself thru his arm

Milne would need to know about these story parts for such hints to be on the page

Yes, those are good examples of Milne most likely being instructed on details by Roberts to use as foreshadowing. But your entire writeup on the Tailgate/Magnus scene is about art details that, while possibly dictated by Roberts in the script, aren't anything Milne couldn't have come up with on his own from reading the dialogue. My point is that your stated premise is "Roberts' writing is amazing, check this out" and then you proceed to talk about details in the art instead of the writing. I agree that all the details you note are great touches and enhancements, and are part of what makes MTMTE a treat to read and re-read, catching new things each time, but I don't think they highlight Roberts' writing so much as how well Milne plays off his writing.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "art is everything in a comic, fuck the writer" people. The writing has always been the most important part of comics to me. I was just scratching my head through your whole writeup there waiting for the meat of it to match up with the thesis, and it never did. Feel free to ignore me on this if you prefer, but it's just some feedback, since you seem to take your writeup work on this series very seriously.

While I agree there is a huge amount of synergy betweem Roberts and Milne, I have to disagree that this doesn't also highlight Roberts' writing. Just read the lines in the very last panel, they're hilarious enough without the illustrations.

I agree, but I'm saying that the writeup doesn't talk about that, it talks about art details that enhance the writing, not the writing itself.

Only tangentially related, but I always find it interesting that Roberts' writing really seems intended to be read with a British accent in most cases.
 

Tizoc

Member
Yes, those are good examples of Milne most likely being instructed on details by Roberts to use as foreshadowing. But your entire writeup on the Tailgate/Magnus scene is about art details that, while possibly dictated by Roberts in the script, aren't anything Milne couldn't have come up with on his own from reading the dialogue. My point is that your stated premise is "Roberts' writing is amazing, check this out" and then you proceed to talk about details in the art instead of the writing. I agree that all the details you note are great touches and enhancements, and are part of what makes MTMTE a treat to read and re-read, catching new things each time, but I don't think they highlight Roberts' writing so much as how well Milne plays off his writing.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "art is everything in a comic, fuck the writer" people. The writing has always been the most important part of comics to me. I was just scratching my head through your whole writeup there waiting for the meat of it to match up with the thesis, and it never did. Feel free to ignore me on this if you prefer, but it's just some feedback, since you seem to take your writeup work on this series very seriously.



I agree, but I'm saying that the writeup doesn't talk about that, it talks about art details that enhance the writing, not the writing itself.

Only tangentially related, but I always find it interesting that Roberts' writing really seems intended to be read with a British accent in most cases.

Fair enough, though you do make a good point about Milne's contribution which I don't give enough credit at times ^^;

While I agree there is a huge amount of synergy betweem Roberts and Milne, I have to disagree that this doesn't also highlight Roberts' writing. Just read the lines in the very last panel, they're hilarious enough without the illustrations.

Also, Tizoc, I thought you'd add some of the aftermath (which I'll add in text only to further illustrate (heh) my above point):

[TG is resting his arms and head on UM's desk]
UM: "I'm not convinced you're paying attention."
TG: "...what? Oh. Sorry—I, er, I thought I saw some graffiti on your desk. Yeah, some—some really tiny graffiti. 'Ultra Magnus is an O.C.D. control freak who uses learning to hurt people.' But it was just a speck of dirt."
UN: "DIRT?!"
TG: "It's okay, sir—it's gone. It can't hurt you now."

And from issue 3, just because I came across it looking for the above and I also find it funny:

UM: "I once arrested a Decepticon who thought he was a Sparkeater. He called himself the Dark Assassin, Devourer of Souls and Propagator of Infinite Sin. His real name was Blip."

Yeah I'll add it in later. Once I have that small write up done right I'll post it in the COMICS thread (note to self finish the MTMTE write up by Wednesday, I know I can finish it I CAN TASTE IT!)
 

mrkgoo

Member
Now that I have Hotspot, my fears are becoming realised... I now want the other protectobots. What's the likelihood of finding them in stores still?

I don't want to go to online auction sites, because that pit is bottomless...

(I had a quick look at a sort of budget department store in our country and they had two First Aids).
 

NEO0MJ

Member
Welp, I bit the bullet and ordered Nero Rex. This is going to be my first combiner since Energon Superion, and before that it was Beast Wars Tripredacus.
 
Now that I have Hotspot, my fears are becoming realised... I now want the other protectobots. What's the likelihood of finding them in stores still?

I don't want to go to online auction sites, because that pit is bottomless...

(I had a quick look at a sort of budget department store in our country and they had two First Aids).

A real shame that we're literally on opposite ends of the world and shipping would eat up any saving, I still see Protectobots here in Spain, sometimes even at not eye-gouging prices. I think they made/brought quite a lot of them here.

One thing that might work out in your favor is that Groove is going to be released soon (if it hasn't been already). The reason is that originally the US team had Rook in place of him; Takara in turn replaced Rook with him, and then Hasbro is bringing him over standalone. So you would only need three more Protectobots.

It seems Protectobots are quite cheap on eBay, with 50$ for a set of three, but shipping to NZ (or Spain) completely kills it...
 

Tizoc

Member
Try hard as I might I can only describe Alex Milne's art in simple singular words:
Beautiful. The colorists they work with do an excellent job, the colors feel right at the best of times (which is 99% of the time).
I feel like Milne's style got progressively better starting with MTMTE and then we start seeing his own personal touch where the Autobot insignia will reflect the 'bot's mood. He also draws reactions really well like.

I really can't do a long write up but when there is art in a comic that I like, I just....like it :p
 

mrkgoo

Member
A real shame that we're literally on opposite ends of the world and shipping would eat up any saving, I still see Protectobots here in Spain, sometimes even at not eye-gouging prices. I think they made/brought quite a lot of them here.

One thing that might work out in your favor is that Groove is going to be released soon (if it hasn't been already). The reason is that originally the US team had Rook in place of him; Takara in turn replaced Rook with him, and then Hasbro is bringing him over standalone. So you would only need three more Protectobots.

It seems Protectobots are quite cheap on eBay, with 50$ for a set of three, but shipping to NZ (or Spain) completely kills it...

Yeah. I have a feeling some random stores will still have them here. I have already seen 2x first aids on my first hunt and I know I've seen took and possibly blades recently. At that time I wasn't fully paying attention.

I'm making actual notes of sightings now. I want to be sure I can get all 4 before even getting one. I think I'd actually prefer rook over groove. Just to keep things as close to scale as possible. Blades not withstanding lol
 
Yeah. I have a feeling some random stores will still have them here. I have already seen 2x first aids on my first hunt and I know I've seen took and possibly blades recently. At that time I wasn't fully paying attention.

I'm making actual notes of sightings now. I want to be sure I can get all 4 before even getting one. I think I'd actually prefer rook over groove. Just to keep things as close to scale as possible. Blades not withstanding lol

Rook is quite cool, although I find he works much better as an arm than as a leg (makes too bulky of a knee) so I swap him and Streetwise. I have no clue how good Groove as I don't have him, though.

An "undocumented feature" (if you can call it that) is that you can peg a CW combiner hand/feet to his fist to kind of give him a huge hand / Warhammer 40k-style power glove. :D

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Drayco21

Member
Rook is quite cool, although I find he works much better as an arm than as a leg (makes too bulky of a knee) so I swap him and Streetwise. I have no clue how good Groove as I don't have him, though.

An "undocumented feature" (if you can call it that) is that you can peg a CW combiner hand/feet to his fist to kind of give him a huge hand / Warhammer 40k-style power glove. :D

Rook is secretly the best Combiner Wars figure. I was shocked how much I ended up liking him and Alpha Bravo in-hand; really hope we see more of them one day.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Rook is quite cool, although I find he works much better as an arm than as a leg (makes too bulky of a knee) so I swap him and Streetwise. I have no clue how good Groove as I don't have him, though.

An "undocumented feature" (if you can call it that) is that you can peg a CW combiner hand/feet to his fist to kind of give him a huge hand / Warhammer 40k-style power glove. :D

combiner+wars+rook+13.JPG

image6.jpg

He looks pretty cool.

had a little hunt...no other protectobots. I'm not gonna buy just one, so it's all or nothing. might go nothing...
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
He looks pretty cool.

had a little hunt...no other protectobots. I'm not gonna buy just one, so it's all or nothing. might go nothing...

You'll have to go to eBay or other secondary sources for the Protectobots. They are long gone at retail.
 

mrkgoo

Member
You'll have to go to eBay or other secondary sources for the Protectobots. They are long gone at retail.

You underestimate some of the backwater retailers I go to lol. I swear I only recently saw took and blades at one and I found two first aids at another yesterday.

But you're probably right.

Maybe I'll just buy victorion and call it a day....
 
You underestimate some of the backwater retailers I go to lol. I swear I only recently saw took and blades at one and I found two first aids at another yesterday.

But you're probably right.

Maybe I'll just buy victorion and call it a day....

It might also be worth it to research when they were released in NZ. Here TFs are released much later so it's easier to find older ones, plus indeed some shops have very old stock.
 

Tizoc

Member
OK huge ass post incoming. As you know there's the IDW TF bundle over at HB and that thread I've been talking about months ago has no better time to go up than now. Here's the draft minus the MTMTE volumes which I'll post later. Let me know what you think and what I should fix up and it'll go up in a day's time ^^;

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Whether you're a fan of the franchise or not, this is a comic book series that is def. worth reading especially if you enjoy characterization and character focused series or plots.
As of this writing there is a great bundle worth USD 8 over at HumbleBundle.com (linked below) that contains most of the volumes of the recent IDW Transformers comics series, and with this thread, I hope to convince more people to give this series a chance.

Humble IDW Transformers comics bundle #113
Last Stand of the Wreckers on Comixology
Transformers: Chaos Theory
Transformers: Dark Prelude
TF Spotlight: Kup

Brief History of IDW’s Transformers comics
IDW got the rights to make comic series based on the Transformers franchise in 2005. At the time the series was primarily helmed by long time TF comics author Simon Furman, although other authors also contributed to the series since it began.

By 2009, Mike Costa helmed the mainline TF book, with various miniseries and one shots being published still. In 2010, IDW published a 5 issue mini series titled ‘Last Stand of the Wreckers’, this is James Roberts, long time TF comics fan, first officially published Transformers work and was co-written along with Nick Roche who did the art for the book.

On January 2012, IDW decided to have the TF franchise published in the form of 2 mainline books:

Robots in Disguise with John Barber as the writer. This series follows Bumblebee & Prowl and their band of Autobots having to deal with situations and events going on a Cybertron that is being repopulated by not just Autbots and Decepticons but also Cybertronians who chose not to participate in the war. Starscream eventually becomes one of the main characters in this series.
Primary cast for this book are: Bumblebee, Starscream, Prowl and Arcee.

The 2nd book is More than meets the eye with James Roberts as writer and Alex Milne being primary artist on the book (over time a few issues would be drawn by different artists). This thread is mainly for this book, while RiD is good in its own way, MTMTE manages to stand out for its characterization and writing.
More than meets the eye (MTMTE for short) follows Rodimus who declares to the citizens of a newly reborn Cybertron of his epic quest-

Managing to convince 200 Autobots to join his cause, he along with Drift and Ultra Magnus set off in their star ship the Lost Light in search for their long lost great ancestors.
Primary cast for this book are: Rodimus, Drift, Ultra Magnus, Ratchet, Cyclonus, Whirl, Chromedome, Rewind, Brainstorm, Swerve, Tailgate, Rung & Drift. To name a few.

Personally I like to think of MTMTE as ‘Roberts, Roche and Milne’s Transformers’ run, as the series truly begins with Last Stand of the Wreckers, from which Roberts would base and lay down the foundation for MTMTE and his world building of the Transformers universe.

What to expect from the series
More than meets the eye is a series that is very character-centric; the characters move the plot, and there is a lot of characterization as well. Even if you've never heard or dislike some of the characters in the series, I still recommend reading it, as the writing itself is superb and the art at its best is spectacular and vibrant.
The series has great world building too, never before has a Transformer series gone so in depth to flesh out the universe going so far as to look at Cybertronian and post-Cybertron society and personal views.

The reading order
If the mere mention of a good comic book series is enough to pique your interest, follow this simple guide to get into this fun entertaining series.
1- Last Stand of the Wreckers
1b- Spotlight: Kup (This one is optional but was written by Roche and is mentioned in LSoW. It’s worth reading for the art and its dark themes)
2- Transfomrers: Chaos Theory TPB (You only need to read the 2-parter story in this book as it was written by Roberts and offers more world building. It also gets referenced later in MTMTE)
3- More than meets the eye Volumes 1-3
4- Transformers: Dark Prelude. This is a collection of one shot stories but some are written by Roberts and features a plot point that becomes important in a later story.
5- MTMTE Vol. 4-5
6- Dark Cybertron
7- MTMTE Vol. 6-10
8- Sins of the Wreckers
9- Transformers: Titans Return

If you want to read Robots in Disguise, read it after MTMTE Vol. 1 at least.

A quick write up on the series
I’ve done some quick write ups for the first 5 or so books in the reading order for anyone who wants an idea of what the books would be about. I’ve aimed to make them as spoiler free as possible too.
Last Stand of the Wreckers

The premise
The rogue Decepticon Overlord had taken over the Autobot Prison Facility Garrus-9 and has been ruling over it for 3 years. Autobot High Command, upon realizing they had lost contact with the facility, mobilize the Autobot's Black Ops unit, The Wreckers, lead by Springer, to infiltrate Garrus-9 and free it from Decepticon control.
The art in this book is handled by Nick Roche, with Josh Burcham doing the colors. Josh Burcham's colors add great depth and visual style to Roche's pencils, helping panels that are character focused to really stand out and be imposing.

The first issue begins by showing Garrus-9 under siege by the Decepticons. The chief warden, Fortress Maximums, aka Fort Max, is undeterred by the assault. Notice how the very first page sets things up instantly with the pace of the dialog not dawdling and giving the reader all the information they need.

On the next page, Overlord enters the scene to much fanfare:

Following the fall of G9, the book switches to a group of Autobots, never before or rarely if ever known or seen in the many TF media, they are the new recruits for Springer's Wreckers team, waiting at a space port to join with Springer.

As this ragtag group boards the ship they meet with Verity, a human who the Autobots befriend during their battle with the Decepticons on Earth. She had stowawayed on Magnus' ship and has been working with him for the past few years. They eventually meet with Springer who briefs them on their mission; free Garrus-9 from Decepticon control.

The remainder of the issue becomes character focused, letting the reader know about the characters, their personalities and quirks.

By the end of the first issue much is established (at least character-wise), such as the brutality and the ferocity of Overlord, and a keen eyed reader would notice that a character shown in the first page returns in the handful of final pages of the first issue.

The 2nd issue shows the team preparing for their mission along with some more characterization and interaction between the cast. It closes up with the mission being underway, and like many stories have shown, nothing ever goes according to plan…

With LSotW, Roberts lay down the foundation for what MTMTE would build off of, as in LSotW he introduced many aspects and ideas that serve to expand on the lore of the TF series.

As an addendum, consider tracking down the one shot story Spotlight: Kup, which was written and drawn by Nick Roche. It serves as the motivation for Guzzle joining the team and remains a solid and interesting stand alone issue.

Chaos Theory
The events of this story takes place a few years after the events of LSotW, with a most peculiar incident; Megatron willingly surrendering to the Autobots. No Fusion Canon blasting or bludgeoning with a cyber mace, nothing; straight up surrenders to Prime and his cadre of Autobots.

The Autobots wouldn’t have time to contemplate this surprising turn of events for long though; a sinister threat is approaching their once home planet of Cybertron, and so Optimus forms a crew and together they leave Earth and travel to Cybertron taking Megatron along as their prisoner.

That’s about all you need to know going into these 2 issues which are a must read primarily due to the fact that it focuses on Optimus and Megatron and their views of each other. Even if you've never read a TF comic before, these 2 issues can easily be gotten into primarily for the focus on these 2 characters and the flashback story, making it a really good standalone story.


This story focuses on 2 events: Pre-war Cybertron flashback that tells the events of and following the arrest of a miner by the name of Megatron, and the present time events that unfold aboard Omega Supreme between Prime and Megatron, as the Transformers are traveling to Cybertron

Before I continue I should point out that this is one of the earliest collaborations between James Roberts and Alex Milne; Milne would go on to become the main artist on the More than Meets the Eye series, if his artstyle isn't recognizable here, then it is very likely due to the coloring, which was done by Joana LaFuente.

There's a lot I like about this 2 parter; for one the writing and dialog is well done, gets the message through, fun to read (IMHO) and is easy to follow. In addition, much like how one of the things All-Star Superman is praised for being that a single page tells a lot on its own applies here. For example, here is the very first page of Issue #22-

From this one page you learn everything you need to know about pre-war Cybertron's society. Here's the 2nd page that follows it, the dialog and writing works to expand on what was established in the prior page-

The first issue would jump between the Megatron’s arrest (in pre-war Cybertron), and Optimus (in the present time) getting around to doing something we've rarely, if ever, seen been done in many TF media; just sit down and talk to Megatron.

Remember how I wrote about how a single page tells a lot on its own? Same applies here even though I've shown 2 pages, but show that to ANYONE who is a huge fan of the 80s cartoon and they're likely to get a big stupid grin on their face. I just can't get enough of Megatron just sitting on that chair all casual, arms behind his head in a relaxed manner talking to Optimus Prime like he's a good old friend.
Their discussion goes on for quite a few pages, filled with some great back and forth between the two.

Following their interaction, we get to see Autobot High Command deciding on the fate of Megatron, presented in a 2-page spread, what I like about this panel is how the reader gets a look at the politics surrounding what the Autobots should do with Megatron and each one giving their view on the situation, something you wouldn't normally see in the animated series and the films.

The 2nd part of the story goes on to focus on the ‘fallout’ of Megatron’s arrest, shifting focus onto Optimus Prime, then Orion Pax. If you were ever a fan of Optimus, then you will love this issue because it is full of badass and awesome moments of the character.
More than meets the eye would build off elements mentioned in these 2 issues as well, hence why they are necessary for the enjoyment of the main series as a whole.

In closing, this 2 parter is a great self-contained story that one can go back to time and time again, and even those who hadn't touched anything or many Transformers related media other than the 80s G1 cartoon will appreciate and enjoy.

More than meets the eye Vol. 1
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The first volume follows Rodimus and his crew's departure from Cybertron as they begin their quest...or at least try to.
After a rocky start that requires the team to land on a nearby planet for repairs, the crew must deal with unforeseen terrors befall them as they recoup in order to continue with their quest.
It should be noted that the first part of the story is intended to set up both MTMTE and Robots in Disguise, which also shows Rodimus' inspiration for taking to the stars in search of the Knights.
Also a bar is opened in the Lost Light.

More than meets the eye Vol. 2
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The 2nd volume of the series is Decepticon-centric as the ramifications of this faction's actions are explored in this book.
The book consists of 2 stories:
In the first story, with the Lost Light well underway, we follow Ratchet as he make a short visit to the Delphi Medical Facility on the planet Messatine after finding a cryptic message. In addition, newly resuscitated Tailgate begins learning the Autobot Code from non other than Ultra Magnus, Duly Appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord, himself.
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The second story focus on a group of the most wild and manic group of Decepticons you've never known: The Scavengers. These bots are so pathetic they make G1 cartoon Starsceam look competent: let that sink in for a while.
In addition we get our first look at a main antagonist to the series: The Decepticon Justice Division (who are actually mentioned early in the first story).

More than meets the eye Vol. 3
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This 3rd volume begins with the group seemingly making progress in their quest as they approach a planet that is home to the Circle of Light, a group of Cybertronians with knowledge of the Knights of Cybertron.

Following this story is a 3 parter that follows the ramifications of the first story from Vol. 2.
In it Rewind gets a group of Autobots to help him tell a story from pre-war Cybertron, at a troubling time in the planet's history with the social climate being shaken by the rise of a faction known as 'Decepticons'. This 3 parter features copious amounts of Optimus Prime (then Orion Pax) being a total badass and reminding fans of the character we they liked him in the first place.


The bundle linked at the start of this post will contain most of the volumes of MTMTE and Robots in Disguise, while the rest can be filled by grabbing them off of Comixology for example (also linked at the start of this thread).

I do hope you'll give this series a chance and enjoy it as others have.
 

Tizoc

Member
Just bought that Humble Bundle last night. Should I just alternate MTMTE and RID volumes?

IMHO I see no problem with that, but take note of the reading order I listed in the above post. If you don't plan on getting the other books in the list that's fine, you can get them later should they go on sale :)
At the very least start with MTMTE Vol. 1 then RiD Vol. 1 and so forth.
 
IMHO I see no problem with that, but take note of the reading order I listed in the above post. If you don't plan on getting the other books in the list that's fine, you can get them later should they go on sale :)
At the very least start with MTMTE Vol. 1 then RiD Vol. 1 and so forth.

I did read it! That's why I asked about RID. I have the other books on my Amazon list but not cheap enough yet lol.
 
Mother of god, great work; I'll read your post later, Tizoc, even though I think I've pretty much read everything covered.

As for MTMTE/ RID, I think it's perfectly OK to read the first 5 volumes of MTMTE, then the first five RID ones, then alternate. It works quite well because both sets of character don't interact until at least then, and this way you won't miss the thread of what's happening in MTMTE. They are narratively different, with MTMTE more based on "arcs" of 3-5 issues, while RID is more of a less structured ongoing thing (and, well, let's not kid ourselves, much less structured or well written), so switching between them becomes somewhat difficult.

Over the past years I have worked out an universal reading order for at least the post-war portion of the timeline, including all the spotlights, miniseries, crossover events and so on. I'll write it up here when I have the time.
 
Chaos Theory and Last Stand of the Wreckers are amazing. The Heat and the Apocalypse Now of the Transformers world.

I'm way behind on the story since I'm only buying the IDW Collections, which are great for getting the entire story in a reasonable order.
 

Tizoc

Member
Just checking but excluding the newly introsuced combiner in the comics, there are more decepticon combiners than autobots right?
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Good timing considering the IDW 50% off sale on Comixology that started today. Between that and the Humble Bundle, nobody has any excuse not to read this.
 

NEO0MJ

Member
Just found out there's a third party Thunderwing coming from a company called Garatron this month. While I like the design and the mention of LEDs and diecast metal sound promising I'll wait for impressions considering this is their first toy. Plus I already went over budget recently and can't buy toys for some time :X

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Finished the first two volumes of MTMTE today. Really fun read so far, loving the DJD.

Are the earlier IDW runs worth reading? The -ations and All Hail Megs and The Transformers?
 
Finished the first two volumes of MTMTE today. Really fun read so far, loving the DJD.

Are the earlier IDW runs worth reading? The -ations and All Hail Megs and The Transformers?

I haven't read them myself, but All Hail Megatron is apparently universally panned and there isn't a huge amount of love for the others. Of course nothing at all compares to MTMTE but I suspect they compare unfavorably even to RiD. In short, I personally didn't bother.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Finished the first two volumes of MTMTE today. Really fun read so far, loving the DJD.

Are the earlier IDW runs worth reading? The -ations and All Hail Megs and The Transformers?

They're wildly up and down in quality, and All Hail Megatron in particular is lambasted for not even being able to keep its own story straight. If you're interested in the background IDW stuff, go for it, but just don't expect anything remotely on the level of MTMTE and RiD.
 
I'm enjoying how horrific this book can be at times. Vol. 5 spoiler below:

Pharma taking Ratchet's body is some sick shit.

I love horror and I didn't expect it to dabble in that genre as much as it has.
 

Vol. 5 spoiler

Oh my god Pharma just cut Ambulon in half this shit is brutal I love it.

I'm enjoying this book more than I thought I would. Ready for some more DJD though they've been absent far too long.

EDIT:

Okay Vol. 5 was amazing I loved everything about it. Cyclonus and Whirl might be the best part of the books so far. Really excited to keep going.
 
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