Yeah, dude is a hero if true.
I still find it strange he was alive for so long though, you'd think the terrorist would have just killed him straight away. Dread to think what went on in those hours leading up to the attack.
Of course, I'm an idiot.Manhunt? Quick translation search may have failed me lol
Manhunt? Quick translation search may have failed me lolThe country is now publicly looking for him (is there really no English word for "Fahndung"?):
https://www.generalbundesanwalt.de/de/showpress.php?newsid=654
100,000 bounty
Yeah, dude is a hero if true.
I still find it strange he was alive for so long though, you'd think the terrorist would have just killed him straight away. Dread to think what went on in those hours leading up to the attack.
Because he needed him probably to drive the truck to the Christmas market through the city. Somebody who has never driven a truck of this size would never get through a city like Berlin.
I hope nobody judges him if that is the case, he could have been stabbed and had a gun to his head the whole time. Then when the attack happened he took the chance. Poor guy.
I hope nobody judges him if that is the case, he could have been stabbed and had a gun to his head the whole time. Then when the attack happened he took the chance. Poor guy.
Left and right wing demonstrations going on right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11JjoQ9mzF4
It's a counter demonstration against the nazi demo from what I understandI do find it kind of telling that according to the video description the left demonstration is under the title of "Against the rightwing instrumentation and racist hate in the close vicinity of the place of attack". How about commemorating the victims first and foremost?
Then again it's german RT so who knows how accurate that is.
again this is simply wrong. I know / guess that we both speak the same mother language so either you are posting purposly wrong information or .. I dunno.I do find it kind of telling that according to the video description the left demonstration is under the title of "Against the rightwing instrumentation and racist hate in the close vicinity of the place of attack".
yeah.It's a counter demonstration against the nazi demo from what I understand
again this is simply wrong. I know / guess that we both speak the same mother language so either you are posting purposly wrong information or .. I dunno.
Einerseits zum Protest von der rechten Gruppierung Berlin wehrt sich Gemeinsam gegen Asylmissbrauch gegen die Flüchtlingspolitik unter dem Motto: Grenzen dicht machen an Merkels Händen klebt Blut, den auch die NPD unterstützt, und andererseits ein Gegenprotest des "Berliner Bündnisses gegen Rechts", das ein Zeichen gegen die rechte Instrumentalisierung und rassistische Hetze in unmittelbarer Nähe des Tatortes setzen will.
I do find it kind of telling that according to the video description the left demonstration is under the title of "Against the rightwing instrumentation and racist hate in the close vicinity of the place of attack". How about commemorating the victims first and foremost?
Then again it's german RT so who knows how accurate that is.
"Gegenprotest". They wouldn't be there without this NPD demo. This happens literally every time a neonazi demo happens in Germany.
The demonstration is titled (translated) "Berlin alliance against right-wing extremist" as it is absolutely clearly stated. There is nothing to read between the lines. It is literally stated exactly this way and its exactly that name and title.
It's a counter demonstration against a demonstration trying to instrumentalize the attack. Which is pretty fucked up.
Too bad and to no one's surprise the Antifa is in the forefront of this.
Yeah it's disgusting to think that instead of showing respect and commemorating the victims NPD nazis try to use this for their gain while Antifa will probably come throwing eggs and shit as usual. What a shitshow.
A common observation among all attack perpetrators, but also the reason why it's hard to anticipate them. Most of them are just petty criminals who happen to browse islamist websites. You can't really lock someone up for that, or you'd have to stuff tens of thousands of people into jail.
Sounds like grounds for deporting.
If their country won't take them back, then don't accept any flights from said country until they relent.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ant-intake-experts-80-per-cent-asylum-illegal
A new report has found Prime Minister of Libya, Fayez al-Sarraj, is directly benefiting from the migration from his country to Europe.
The research has suggested 300 million euros per year are generated from human trafficking and that amount represents the most substantial revenue to the cities controlled by Sarraj. Admiral Enrico Credendino, the commander of the mission Eunavfor Med, and author of the report said the smuggling of human beings guarantees a turnover of between 275 and 325 million euro per year.
Mr Credendino concluded the migration is a constant income for the Libyan leader while it remains a great strain on Italy.
Sounds like grounds for deporting.
If their country won't take them back, then don't accept any flights from said country until they relent.
He probably means until there is a general mechanism for the EU to send back everyone from that country when necessary, not one single guy. They don't arrange this person by person.Blocking all trade and tourism with a country because one guy used a fake ID ? That doesn't seem realistic.
Anyway in this specific case the guy was supposed to be deported already, the issue seems to be in the logistics of it, since it took too much time.
(but deporting someone isn't an absolute solution either, since there are many ways for him to come back, and not only because of migrant policies)
Too little, too late - and Libya's leaders make way more from smuggling. Southern Europe has needed the EU for the past 10 years and got nothing. The only way this will get solved is if nations that aren't geographically vulnerable to the migrant crisis actually give a shit about the future of Europe before it's too late. Britons made a big deal about the Calais jungle story - even Douglas Murray, a Briton complained that there are more migrants that wash up on Italy's shore in a single day than that big controversy for Britain.
Blocking all trade and tourism with a country because one guy used a fake ID ? That doesn't seem realistic.
Anyway in this specific case the guy was supposed to be deported already, the issue seems to be in the logistics of it, since it took too much time.
(but deporting someone isn't an absolute solution either, since there are many ways for him to come back, and not only because of migrant policies)
He probably means until there is a general mechanism for the EU to send back everyone from that country when necessary, not one single guy. They don't arrange this person by person.
They're going off of this based on a left residence permit and nothing else? What if the perp planted that to throw a false trail?
I imagine there isn't any good surveillance footage.
The EU already implements migrant quotas outside of the Common Travel Area (UK and Ireland) and Denmark.
All it does is encourage more migrants, especially as many of them want to live in France, Germany, Sweden, or the UK anyways.... That's the whole reason for the Calais Jungle's existence, trying to enter the UK instead of the nearest safe country as a refugee would...
Spreading Southern Europe's problem over the rest of the EU even more than it already is would not solve it... it would increase it.
If countries regularly refuse to take back criminals, then there are political solutions to put pressure on those countries. The USA does it all the time and the EU has the same kind of sway...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/03/eu-migrants--torture-beatings-illegal-deportations-testimony said:The implementation of the EU ‘hotspot’ system, which forces all migrants to be fingerprinted on arrival in Italy, and the failure of the EU’s relocation scheme, which has meant more refugees are housed in Italy and Greece than most EU members, has stretched Italian resources and created a dynamic that encourages abuse, Amnesty said.
Since 2015, European leaders have forced Italy to register all arrivals from Libya, effectively making Italy responsible for their care, without welcoming any themselves. Just 1,200 refugees have been formally relocated from Italy to other European countries out of the 40,000 whom EU members initially promised to absorb.
The Italian prime minister, Matteo Renzi, threatened last week to veto the disbursement of EU funds to countries that failed to welcome refugees from Italy. “Italy cannot take another year like the one we’ve just had,” Renzi said.
Amnesty’s lead researcher on the project, Matteo De Bellis, said: “The hotspot approach, designed in Brussels and executed in Italy, has increased, not decreased, the pressure on frontline states. It is resulting in appalling violations of the rights of desperately vulnerable people for which the Italian authorities bear a direct responsibility and Europe’s leaders a political one.”
Incorrect.
That doesn't contradict what I said, though obviously it's unfortunate that Italy and Greece bear the brunt.
All it does is encourage more migrants, especially as many of them want to live in France, Germany, Sweden, or the UK anyways
The failed relocation system that ensures these migrants a life in the states they would rather live in, as you say, isn't working, nor are the migrants themselves seemingly interested in pushing into the borders of those states, themselves. They are content to remain there, and the numbers show this. If it were different, the EU wouldn't be so complacent, after all.
Jesus christ that is scary. I hope that article is just particularly alarmist, because... yikes. A good friend of mine is Algerian and I'm a bit worried about her. She's a closest atheist/apostate too.Yeah, about Algeria... chances are we'll hear from that country a lot the next few years.
Jesus christ that is scary. I hope that article is just particularly alarmist, because... yikes. A good friend of mine is Algerian and I'm a bit worried about her. She's a closest atheist/apostate too.
I'm afraid not.
The Calais Jungle was proof of this, as was the re-implementation of border controls by Denmark because so many were using it to get to Sweden...
(2014)http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/10/141031-italy-immigration-crisis-human-trafficking/ said:Refugees have altered Italy's demographics. With Spain, Italy shares the European record for the greatest growth in the number of newcomers since 2000.
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716Terror Suspect Anis Amri was an acquaintance of the Tunisian police, which has a source within the security services said Wednesday in the country at the Tunisian radio station Mosaique FM. He committed a violent robbery in his country [Tunisia].
At the same station showed the father of the accused that his son left Tunisia seven years ago as an illegal immigrant. He also confirmed that Anis Amri in Italy four years in prison has been due to the burning of a school. According to his father, he left a year ago to Germany. Amri still had contact with his brothers but not with his father.
The source within the security services had also announced that Amri comes from the place Oueslatia in rural central Tunisia.
Mr. Mayer, the lawmaker, said the Tunisian man had spent a day in custody pending deportation, but because the authorities were unable to establish his identity “beyond doubt,” he was released. “This is a person who apparently was known to be potentially dangerous and who apparently was to be deported,” Mr. Mayer said.
How did this get passed everyone? Are there no systems in place that put a big red flag up when you run his finger prints that says: convicted felon, please deport as soon as possible.Mr. Amri is believed to come from the impoverished south of Tunisia, on the edge of the Sahara. His father told a Tunisian radio station, Mosaïque FM, that his son left Tunisia about seven years ago and served four years in prison in Italy after he was accused of setting fire to a school. The son was sentenced in absentia in Tunisia to five years in prison for violent robbery, the radio station reported.
So, the source seems to be a Tunisian radio channel, but holy shit if true. Google Translate:
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716
This guy burned down a school according to his father. And we still let him walk around here.
So we got armed robbery, arson, fake passports, trying to get a gun, assault and ties to a terrorist organization. And he was still allowed to walk around in Germany.
New York Times also reporting: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/world/europe/berlin-christmas-market-attack.html?_r=0
How did this get passed everyone? Are there no systems in place that put a big red flag up when you run his finger prints that says: convicted felon, please deport as soon as possible.
Welp, still im shock since i just read some Facebook posts. It's the government people. It was staged.
Why? Well, it was too quiet for too long. They need people to be scared. Proof? The identity card of course (why would he bring it?). The other terrorist attackts with identity cards were staged too.
Because governments want WW3.
The amount of people agreeing with these posts was quite shocking.
Welp, still im shock since i just read some Facebook posts. It's the government people. It was staged.
Why? Well, it was too quiet for too long. They need people to be scared. Proof? The identity card of course (why would he bring it?). The other terrorist attackts with identity cards were staged too.
Because governments want WW3.
The amount of people agreeing with these posts was quite shocking.
That Polish driver is one unlucky guy. Apparently he was supposed to drop of his cargo that afternoon already, but it was delayed to the next morning, so he had to stick around in Berlin that day. It was his last delivery before going home for Christmas.
I don't know what to think. I was amazed with the certainty these people were talking. So many...Well, wait. If the conspiracy nuts are right and it was staged by the government then wouldn't that absolve the refugees? But I bet they're still crying about them, too.
Conspiracy theories are so dumb.
Yeah, I agree. If it wasn't him, the terrorist would have gotten another truck. Just incredibly unlucky for him personally that if he could have just unloaded his cargo that day like planned, he would be home with his family now.Shit like that makes it so hard for the family and friends. Given initial reports he should be remembered as a hero, not an unlucky dude. What I'm about to say next isn't suppose to minimize the loss of him as an individual, but just to point out if it weren't him it would have been someone else (that is absolutely no sort of consolation to the family, or anyone for that matter). This sick fuck had obviously made his mind up he was jacking a truck, and it was going to happen on the day it happened. Hence why we need to go to the German government and question why this sick fuck was still in the country first of all, and whilst he was there why he wasn't on 24/7 surveillance until he was dealt with? Maybe that would have prevented ANY truck driver from being killed, let alone a mass of civilians.
Yeah, I agree. If it wasn't him, the terrorist would have gotten another truck. Just incredibly unlucky for him personally that if he could have just unloaded his cargo that day like planned, he would be home with his family now.
And it seems he saved a bunch of lives by trying to stop the terrorist during the attack. Definitely a hero for that and he should be remembered as such.
I've just been to the scene. The NPD protest was one of the most shocking things I have experienced. in my live honestly. It was in very close proximity and the speaker was yelling of the top of his lungs and got more and more agitated. I couldn't even understand what he was on about. So vile next to a place that should be a scene of contemplation and solace.
Bunch of assholes trying to capitalize on suffering. Like they really care. I rather have the traditional parties starting to discuss how the prevent these things in the future, instead of some of these nuts yelling in the streets pretending they can do anything.I've just been to the scene. The NPD protest was one of the most shocking things I have experienced. in my live honestly. It was in very close proximity and the speaker was yelling of the top of his lungs and got more and more agitated. I couldn't even understand what he was on about. So vile next to a place that should be a scene of contemplation and solace.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-ueber-alle-Berge.html#live-ticker-entry-7860In May 2015 he was released and moved to the deportation detention center in the central Italian city of Caltanissetta, from which he was released a few weeks later. The Italians had run Amri - just like the German authorities - because Tunisia Amri not officially recognized. Then he traveled to Germany.
According to information from the "World", the Italian authorities have fingerprints and photographs of Amri. Amri is considered "violent" and was thus also described by fellow prisoners.
Bunch of assholes trying to capitalize on suffering. Like they really care. I rather have the traditional parties starting to discuss how the prevent these things in the future, instead of some of these nuts yelling in the streets pretending they can do anything.
And just for completions sake after the last few reports about how the terrorist was already convicted earlier in Tunisia for armed robbery, and later did 4 years in prison in Italy. That last sentence wasn't just for arson, but also violence, bodily injury and theft.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...-ueber-alle-Berge.html#live-ticker-entry-7860
If I understand right, because Tunisia refused to recognize him as one of their citizens, Italy just let him go, while he should have been deported. Afterwards he traveled to Germany and they did exactly the same. The EU countries need to change this, we are now just letting illegals stay here who have already proven to be violent, and there should be absolutely no reason for those people to walk free.