The final one is almost 90 minutes long though!
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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The final one is almost 90 minutes long though!
phazedplasma
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Man these last 2 episodes have been better...but that prison conversation with Frank and the Rapist was laughable. Ugh. Pls pizzman when youre good youre good, but when youre bad...
SuperInuit
Member
Nah, fuck it. I'm out. Can't take another episode after the shit show of the previous five.
Thankfully I have zero investment in the plot, so I'm ok with backing out now.
Thankfully I have zero investment in the plot, so I'm ok with backing out now.
Either this show is fantastic or its the worst....I still can't really guess what is going to happen (which rarely is the case).
I'm usually the dude that puts it all together and can make a logical guess on who the 'killer' is or what the 'plot' is early on in tv shows/movies...but this one has me confused and without much to go on.
I'm usually the dude that puts it all together and can make a logical guess on who the 'killer' is or what the 'plot' is early on in tv shows/movies...but this one has me confused and without much to go on.
Robot Pants
Member
Yea I couldn't even tell you what Stan looks like. They did an awful
Job of making him important
Job of making him important
True Detective (season one) and True Defective (season two) aren't whodunits.
They aren't made for the audience to guess at the killer. You're supposed to experience the show and take in the characters and visuals and plot.
Unfortunately, True Defective has messed that up.
Oh I found it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...etective-season-2-a-James-Ellroy-rip-off.html
James Ellroy, 1988s The Big Nowhere
More Fun To Compute
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That's because there is no intrigue. Everyone will be raped and cry a lot until we have seen all the intense acting that we could ever want then they will just torture some random person who will reveal everything.
Purple Cheeto
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I think it is weird that people say they can't follow the plot. The plot is so mind numbingly simple and they keep refreshing and spelling it out, over and over and over again.
1. There is a big group of rich people plotting to get even richer by buying up a bunch of land along the rail corridor. They used their influence and power to force our home owners, farmers etc by making it look like the land was unfit to live on so that they could buy it at rock bottom prices.
2. Frank Semyon wanted in on this whole thing, so he scraped together a bunch of money from his crime business to buy $5 million dollars worth of land along the corridor. Ben Caspere, city manager for Vinci was his in with the Catalyst Corporation and other bigwigs. Ossip, the Russian gangster was to provide extra financial backing to help Frank and his interests.
3. The old money guys, Catalyst, the Russian and Frank's own henchman, question Frank's ability to fit in and play with the big fish. They decide to squeeze him out. I think that Caspere's death was the motivating factor that pushed them towards squeezing Frank out and not a by product of it.
4. Chessani, Pitlor and Rachel McAdam's dad all used to be part of some new age retro hippie cult. Undoubtedly they used the cult's power/influence to gain political and financial power over people higher up the food chain from themselves and to insure their ability to stay in more luxurious positions. At some point (possibly after the death of his wife/rape of his daughter) McAdam's dad split from the other dudes.
5. The powerful people had the pawn shop people killed for those diamonds. The diamonds are still a hanging thread that probably won't make much sense once they're all tied up.
6. Chessani's kids are the pawn shop owners kids. They might even be aware of this. The show this season has a lot of stuff going on about kids and their parents and finding your own path. Chessani's kid was working the parties seemingly without his dad's knowledge. Maybe he wants his own slice of the pie? Why Chessani took on these kids is still a bit loose.
7. The white cop guy the now dead Mexican girl was referring to was clearly Velcoro's dead partner. The guy was tailing Woodrugh on working the case on his own (he also went looking for the diamonds). The Vinci PD clearly didn't trust Velcoro to do what they wanted so they had his partner working the case separately.
I think that about covers it all. There are only really some minor elements to tie it all together that are left to come out, but I don't expect anything exceptionally mind blowing. The whole corruption thing is about rich people using shady methods to get even richer and protect their own self interest.
1. There is a big group of rich people plotting to get even richer by buying up a bunch of land along the rail corridor. They used their influence and power to force our home owners, farmers etc by making it look like the land was unfit to live on so that they could buy it at rock bottom prices.
2. Frank Semyon wanted in on this whole thing, so he scraped together a bunch of money from his crime business to buy $5 million dollars worth of land along the corridor. Ben Caspere, city manager for Vinci was his in with the Catalyst Corporation and other bigwigs. Ossip, the Russian gangster was to provide extra financial backing to help Frank and his interests.
3. The old money guys, Catalyst, the Russian and Frank's own henchman, question Frank's ability to fit in and play with the big fish. They decide to squeeze him out. I think that Caspere's death was the motivating factor that pushed them towards squeezing Frank out and not a by product of it.
4. Chessani, Pitlor and Rachel McAdam's dad all used to be part of some new age retro hippie cult. Undoubtedly they used the cult's power/influence to gain political and financial power over people higher up the food chain from themselves and to insure their ability to stay in more luxurious positions. At some point (possibly after the death of his wife/rape of his daughter) McAdam's dad split from the other dudes.
5. The powerful people had the pawn shop people killed for those diamonds. The diamonds are still a hanging thread that probably won't make much sense once they're all tied up.
6. Chessani's kids are the pawn shop owners kids. They might even be aware of this. The show this season has a lot of stuff going on about kids and their parents and finding your own path. Chessani's kid was working the parties seemingly without his dad's knowledge. Maybe he wants his own slice of the pie? Why Chessani took on these kids is still a bit loose.
7. The white cop guy the now dead Mexican girl was referring to was clearly Velcoro's dead partner. The guy was tailing Woodrugh on working the case on his own (he also went looking for the diamonds). The Vinci PD clearly didn't trust Velcoro to do what they wanted so they had his partner working the case separately.
I think that about covers it all. There are only really some minor elements to tie it all together that are left to come out, but I don't expect anything exceptionally mind blowing. The whole corruption thing is about rich people using shady methods to get even richer and protect their own self interest.
Whether Pizzolatto drew inspiration from Ellroy's novel is irrelevant, really.
Most of that stuff is plenty generic.
The only problem is that Pizzolatto forgot to make the details deeper than generic pulp.
Most of it is right, but you've messed up certain details.
Most of that stuff is plenty generic.
The only problem is that Pizzolatto forgot to make the details deeper than generic pulp.
I keep vacillating about whether I should bother to correct the parts you got wrong...
Most of it is right, but you've messed up certain details.
Anton Sugar
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Well, it's not just us. There are numerous "what the hell is/here is what's going on in TD Season 2" articles.
The problem is the show doesn't do a good job of cluing the audience in on what's important vs what's not. There are so many different characters to follow, it feels like each of the leads has at least one arc/storyline that is completely unnecessary and just muddles the overall narrative.
This is more than just a generic storyline.
And it's not like this is the first time Pizzaman has done this, he ripped off a lot of things for season 1.
The Albatross
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Well, for what it's worth... All of the main characters except for Colin Firth (of whom we know relatively nothing of his childhood) were abused, molested, etc. Vince Vaughan's character, in the 2nd episode, talks about being locked in the basement and being eaten by starving rats because his dad abused him while drunk.
It's not that the writers can't just make an interesting female character (they can't), but they can't make an interesting character -- period. All of them have some deep psychological trauma that brought them to where they are. After episode 2 or 3, I was like "Does anybody work in this police unit who is just an every day person?" Like, they didn't grow up in a cult, they didn't murder a bunch of people in Afghanistan for Blackwater, they weren't trapped in their basement being eaten by rats, they weren't into sick sex fantasies, etc.? With the exception of Colin Firth's character (who seemingly had a normal if not slightly dysfunctional childhood; yet still found time to murder his ex-wifes alleged rapist), nobody in this show can function normally in society.
When every character has some brutally dysfunctional origin story, or a dark past, or ridiculous issues, it gets boring because it's so unrealistic. One thing that worked about True Detective season 1 was that Woody Harrelson's character was a pretty normal guy, living a pretty normal life. Sure, in the line of his police work some interesting things happened to him, and of course, he had indiscretions with his wife and so on, but it wasn't super out of the ordinary. Season 2... nobody is realistic, everybody is a caricature or a deeply flawed character from a comic book. It sucks.
TheKaeptain
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You make it sound like he moved to a shady part of San Fernando Valley. lol
Anton Sugar
Member
This is one of the things that I loved most about S1: Marty started as a cliche "one of the guys" person who had lived a successful life, but soon realized (partly through his interactions with Rust) that he still felt a deep-seated sense of loss, unhappines, and bitterness without fully understanding why. I can't find the clip, but one of my favorite parts:
The Albatross
Member
Yes, exactly.
Marty speaks for the viewer in those first couple episodes and it works. Sure, Rust was really out there, but Marty is there to challenge him when he goes onto a deep, dark monologue. In season 2, almost every character goes into a deep dark monologue and at almost no point in the show is anybody else like "Dude, that's fucked up..." They usually reply with their own, throatier deep, dark monologue.
Anton Sugar
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Unrelated, but is Ani's sister fucked? Ani used a Russian accent, but her name on the invite is/was "Athena Bezzerides", right?
I don't understand why she used her name
Freedom = $1.05
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might have been that she could only get into the party under her sister's name given her connections could get her into that type of seedy affair
I don't think she imagined that she would be running out of the mansion carrying an incapacitated woman while being shot at like she had done fucked up in a mission of Hitman though.
I mean, yes this show is stupid at times and somewhat nonsensically written but some of the things people are baffled by isn't super hard to figure out. It seems that we've been conditioned to overthink these things.
Intheflorsh
Banned
She fits in nicely alongside the repressed gay character with mommy issues. I bet next week we'll find out Velcoro watched his parents being murdered as a child or some shit.
Anton Sugar
Member
Why? I've never walked out of a movie. I'm seeing this through to the end, for better or worse.
He was a great husband and father, an inspirational figure for every one and Frank's best friend and support. You should be ashamed not remembering him.
Oh man I gotta go back and rematch some parts because I don't recall him at all.
It's easier to stop watching a movie that is roughly 2 hours long than to watch 5 more hours of a show that you don't enjoy after 3 or so episodes.
Anton Sugar
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It's not like you missed anything. He's a tertiary character who gets a sliver of screentime before he is killed.
That's true but ignorant of the structure of television itself. Seasons are designed with season-long arcs in mind. Leaving on episode 4 of an 8 episode season is more akin to leaving after hour 1 of a 2 hour movie, but still doesn't really take into account the way a season can be paced.
I guess I'm just saying, we (or at least, I) are not sticking around just to make fun of the show. I bet most people here were pretty excited for it in the off-season, too.
Oh come on, people. It's as though most of you aren't even trying to pay attention.
I've been in this thread since the première, and I think I've been more critical of the show than anyone else in here, but I can still pay attention.
Bezzerides and Woodrugh found the blue diamonds in Caspere's safe-deposit box. They're blue diamonds, so they're extremely rare. They weren't looking for them. They just happened upon them.
For something like that, if you own it legally, there's going to be a record of it someway, through authenticity or insurance or something. Caspere had no record, and the only record of ownership prior to Caspere's undocumented ownership, as we found out in last night's episode, was by a couple in 1992.
As we found out, that couple was brutally murdered, and their house was looted. The couple had two kids, the ones from the photo Woodrugh showed to the retired cop. The kids saw the people who murdered their parents and looted the house, but those people were wearing masks. Sound similar?
Honestly, he wasn't even tertiary. Someone like Paul's mom is tertiary. Stan was quaternary.
I caught up, but im done with this, I was naive, a sweet summer child if you will:
That is not even the reason im off this, it reminds me of The Amazing Spiderman 2, its a bunch of scenes connected by the those video game loading screens (track shots) with no momentum behind them. The first season was hardly about the case but you always knew what was the next step, even to the final result was unexpected.
That is not even the reason im off this, it reminds me of The Amazing Spiderman 2, its a bunch of scenes connected by the those video game loading screens (track shots) with no momentum behind them. The first season was hardly about the case but you always knew what was the next step, even to the final result was unexpected.
Anton Sugar
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EDIT: Re: Ani's knife victim, what about Ray's pistol face victim? They made sure to show us him violently beating the face of this dude. I think we even got some blood on Ray's face?
I'm just waiting for them to complete the loop and officially tie her sexual assault to her weird(?) sexual fetish. Bonus points if it's a wholly benign fetish!
I'm just waiting for them to complete the loop and officially tie her sexual assault to her weird(?) sexual fetish. Bonus points if it's a wholly benign fetish!
Of course I got the last part, I just couldn't remember / I forgot where the blue diamonds came from. Thanks for refreshing my memory.
-Plasma Reus-
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Holy shit that family in mourning was that henchmen dude's family?
Are they fucking serious.
Are they fucking serious.
brianjones
Member
I felt pretty lost with the Vince Vaughn and the Mexicans scenes
or maybe my brain just tuned out cuz I didn't give a f
even while not enjoying most of this season, I wasn't close to joining the "Pizzo's a hack" camp until last night. Directly answering criticism of the first season's lack of female roles by having a (boringly written) female protagonist whose trauma-shortcut to character definition is a rape? The man just...doesn't get it.
brianjones
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and New York dolls..at least pizza has pretty good taste in music
remember a sweet 13th floor elevators song from last season too
Yeah, TD sure knows to pick the right music. Last season they picked Young Men Dead from BA, which got a lot of views on YT after the episode. Every little push helps.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Was this the first epiaode to not have the usually Lera Lynn bar scene? We got Velcoro and Frank having a chat over coffee, but it isn't the same. Haha
brianjones
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you guys are psychic
you just didn't remember you were
you just didn't remember you were
Robot Pants
Member
No one does