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[Squalor]

Finally caught last night's episode.

Strongest start-to-finish episode of this awfully lackluster season.

 

[GavinUK86]

You know what, every time the intro music plays I fucking hate it, now here I am, singing it in my head and humming along. God dammit.

 

[Squalor]

You know what, every time the intro music plays I fucking hate it, now here I am, singing it in my head and humming along. God dammit.

I dislike it less now that my expectations for the show are so low.

 

[Palpable]

I was disappointed to see Woodrugh shot dead.

But seriously... how the shit did Burris know where to wait for him to exit, or even that he would escape? "These tunnels run under the whole city!"

 

[allftw]

So I think I have most of the plot figured out but I still don't understand why Dixon got stuck being a regular cop after the riots and why he walked into the shootout in ep4. Anyone able to understand that part?

 

[Squalor]

I was disappointed to see Woodrugh shot dead.

But seriously... how the shit did Burris know where to wait for him to exit, or even that he would escape? "These tunnels run under the whole city!"

Convenience.

Lazy writing.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Convenience.

Lazy writing.

E S P

True Psychic Detective.

 

[Einchy]

I like how a main character died and almost none of the posts since then even bring it up. There were more discussion about Stan dying,

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I like how a main character died and almost none of the posts since then even bring it up. There were more discussion about Stan dying,

Because let's be honest, the guy was the least developed out of the three. His backstory took a backseat to the stache, the pizza son and the daddy issues

If Velcoro had died we'd probably all be a bit more upset.

 

[Sober]

If anyone is interested there's a really good recap of what the hell is going on on this site right here. Helped me understand some stuff. One thing I'm not clear on, why exactly did they steal the diamonds in 92? It wasn't just for money was it?

Stan is the real hero of S2.

 

[Squalor]

So I think I have most of the plot figured out but I still don't understand why Dixon got stuck being a regular cop after the riots and why he walked into the shootout in ep4. Anyone able to understand that part?

He showed up to "work" drunk all the time. He didn't do much. He was still probably getting paid under the table, too.

We don't have all the answers, yet. He still moved on to Vinci. If he were getting that screwed, he wouldn't have gone. Of course, maybe he was getting fed up with his lot in life, which is why he was looking for the diamonds.

Because let's be honest, the guy was the least developed out of the three. His backstory took a backseat to the stache, the pizza son and the daddy issues

If Velcoro had died we'd probably all be a bit more upset.

It's not that he's the least developed. The development overall is so poor, it's pretty hard to actually rank them. Aside from his strained relationship with his mother and his homosexuality, there hasn't been much of an information dump about him. They haven't really gone into any of the Black Mountain stuff. We've had plenty of exposition for everyone else.

I'm upset Paul's dead, though. The train-tunnels scene was pure badassery.

 

[GavinUK86]

Stan is the real hero of S2.

True Stan. Stan Detective?

 

[BadAss2961]

Stan is the real hero of S2.

My vote goes to the singer at the bar.

 

[jett]

u r wrong

This show would've gone down a much more interesting part if:

1.- Farrell had actually died there.
2.- The Birdman Conspiracy had played a larger role in the show.

But nope, it has just been shit since.

 

[Deku Tree]

I like how a main character died and almost none of the posts since then even bring it up. There were more discussion about Stan dying,

Woodrugh was possibly the worst main character that I have come across in a cop show in recent memory. The repressed homosexual thing would have been more intriguing 20-30 years ago not in 2015. He contributed nothing to the show or to the plot development. His black-ops background lead to no good fight scenes. His death was a waste of ten or so minutes of the show that also was essentially meaningless. The show probably could have been a lot better if they spent more time elsewhere and totally erased the Woodrugh character from the script. Nothing would have been lost.

 

[Einchy]

Because let's be honest, the guy was the least developed out of the three. His backstory took a backseat to the stache, the pizza son and the daddy issues

If Velcoro had died we'd probably all be a bit more upset.

Woodrugh was possibly the worst main character that I have come across in a cop show in recent memory. The repressed homosexual thing would have been more intriguing 20-30 years ago not in 2015. He contributed nothing to the show or to the plot development. His black-ops background lead to no good fight scenes. His death was a waste of ten or so minutes of the show that also was essentially meaningless. The show probably could have been a lot better if they spent more time elsewhere and totally erased the Woodrugh character from the script. Nothing would have been lost.

I agree with you guys completely.

I was just saying that it shows how little people were invested in him that one of the most "shocking" moments in the season has sparked zero discussion.

When a character dies in Game of Thrones, people lose their shit for about a week straight. When Woodrugh died, everyone didn't even bat an eye.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I was disappointed to see Woodrugh shot dead.

But seriously... how the shit did Burris know where to wait for him to exit, or even that he would escape? "These tunnels run under the whole city!"

To be fair Paul's lover did say he had eyes on him all over before heading underground. But it was convenient, not something worth getting hung up in imo.

 

[SSPssp]

I agree with you guys completely.

I was just saying that it shows how little people were invested in him that one of the most "shocking" moments in the season has sparked zero discussion.

When a character dies in Game of Thrones, people lose their shit for about a week straight. When Woodrugh died, everyone didn't even bat an eye.

Yeah, I was sad for a second, but I don't really care about any of the characters enough to think about it after the episode is over. Whereas I'm still hoping that (Game of Thrones Season 5 Finale Spoiler)

Spoiler

Jon Snow is somehow resurrected. Pls GRRM.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Yeah, I was sad for a second, but I don't really care about any of the characters enough to think about it after the episode is over. Whereas I'm still hoping that (Game of Thrones Season 5 Finale Spoiler)

Spoiler

Jon Snow is somehow resurrected. Pls GRRM.

You must be on a media blackout because news/paparazzis have given away the answer lol

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

This show would've gone down a much more interesting part if:

1.- Farrell had actually died there.
2.- The Birdman Conspiracy had played a larger role in the show.

But nope, it has just been shit since.

Man, if they just had it so that Birdman was hunting down all members of these various conspiracies like a proper vigilante, would have been way better.

Imagine a scene where Birdman beats the mayor to death with a hammer ala Hotline Miami. So there's this nutty vigilante going around forcing all these corrupt entities to panic and begin to self destruct, with our three protagonists caught in the middle.

Whereas a lot of fiction concentrates on the vigilante, this time we see the cops and crooks losing their shit at this figure that quickly becomes mythic and monolithic in their minds.

Birdman present at the orgy. Accidentally inciting the shoutout and chase. Burning their car. Saving the cops' asses at one point, so none of his actions make risk sense to the cops at the time.

 

[SickBoy]

I like how a main character died and almost none of the posts since then even bring it up. There were more discussion about Stan dying,

Listen, man. Stan was PURE GOLD. PURE GOLD.

(FWIW, I've been entertained by this season, warts and all.)

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I kinda expected at least one of them to die since we have 4 points of focus this season, and three among the police. That being said, I didn't expect for it to happen in this episode. And I was expecting Velcoro to be on his way out (for real this time)

 

[Weevilone]

Birdman present at the orgy. Accidentally inciting the shoutout and chase. Burning their car. Saving the cops' asses at one point, so none of his actions make risk sense to the cops at the time.

Imagine a scene where Ani rounds the corner at the orgy all stoned on her Molly and the birdman is doing some prostitute with his mask on and everything..

 

[RS4-]

Woodrough dying is fucking trash. Birdman shows up for 30 seconds, and will probably show up for 30 more as some big goddamn reveal.

It'll be Ani's dad or Caspere or some shit like that. Or Ani's sister. Or Chessani's kid.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Imagine a scene where Ani rounds the corner at the orgy all stoned on her Molly and the birdman is doing some prostitute with his mask on and everything..

Would actually be an amazingly creepy scene, combine it with her traumatic flashbacks

 

[Squalor]

Imagine a scene where Ani rounds the corner at the orgy all stoned on her Molly and the birdman is doing some prostitute with his mask on and everything..

It would have made the orgy interesting at least.

All that hype for that lame-ass orgy.

Written poorly. Directed poorly.

 

[Cels]

Frank put Stan on Blake's tail, then Stan ends up murdered. Wouldn't Frank make the connection that it might have been Blake?

 

[Squalor]

So are we expecting Jordan to betray Frank?

Her roll has been so garbage and useless to this point, and the actress is listed as a primary.

 

[chicko1983]

Is the gay cop dead?

Or will there be a game of thrones style twist - like it was all a dream or hallucination of his.?

This show is annoying me as I cant stop watching but I don't like it. I want to see how bad it gets.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Frank put Stan on Blake's tail, then Stan ends up murdered. Wouldn't Frank make the connection that it might have been Blake?

No Stan was tailing Blake on his own.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Maybe this season is just a dud.

I'm not going to call,someone not a very good writer when I loved the first season.

A lot of the first season was elevated by the actors. There's some dumb shit in their writing wise.

 

[Elysium-777]

Frank put Stan on Blake's tail, then Stan ends up murdered. Wouldn't Frank make the connection that it might have been Blake?

That's why Blake had Stan's eyes taken out. It seemingly put the blame on whoever killed Casper, and kept Blake in the clear.

 

[Squalor]

Frank didn't put Stan on Blake.

Frank just bluffed Blake.

 

[Chiggs]

This show would've gone down a much more interesting part if:

1.- Farrell had actually died there.
2.- The Birdman Conspiracy had played a larger role in the show.

But nope, it has just been shit since.

Agreed. Episode 3 is where it went downhill for me.

 

[Sober]

Maybe Stan in TD S2 is actually a standin for Stannis Baratheon. Nic Pizzolatto just letting us all know in a subtle way what he thought about the events of Game of Thrones season 5.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

So are we expecting Jordan to betray Frank?

Her roll has been so garbage and useless to this point, and the actress is listed as a primary.

I was thinking this but I have nothing to back this with tbh.

 

[Squalor]

I was thinking this but I have nothing to back this with tbh.

Aside from all the seemingly duplicitous looks she has whenever she's on screen.

 

[Einchy]

Aside from all the seemingly duplicitous looks she has whenever she's on screen.

If she betrays him then it will be some deus ex machina type shit. She has tried to get him out of crime multiple times so they can just be happy together. She'd never betray him over money and that's the only reason someone in her position would do that.

 

[Squalor]

If she betrays him then it will be some deus ex machina type shit. She has tried to get him out of crime multiple times so they can just be happy together. She'd never betray him over money and that's the only reason someone in her position would do that.

You seem to be giving Nic Pizzolatto credit to write characters that make sense and plot points that aren't contrived.

 

[BigJonsson]

Has this been posted?


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html



I see it has been


Mind blown, they made it so confusing that it made no sense watching live

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I hope Jordan and Frank go all Bonnie and Clyde on all these motherfuckers.

Vince Vaughn cut loose was good.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Man, if they just had it so that Birdman was hunting down all members of these various conspiracies like a proper vigilante, would have been way better.

Imagine a scene where Birdman beats the mayor to death with a hammer ala Hotline Miami. So there's this nutty vigilante going around forcing all these corrupt entities to panic and begin to self destruct, with our three protagonists caught in the middle.

Whereas a lot of fiction concentrates on the vigilante, this time we see the cops and crooks losing their shit at this figure that quickly becomes mythic and monolithic in their minds.

Birdman present at the orgy. Accidentally inciting the shoutout and chase. Burning their car. Saving the cops' asses at one point, so none of his actions make risk sense to the cops at the time.

Birdman is still going after these people. We don't know the full extent of the plan yet.

 

[Squalor]

Man, if they just had it so that Birdman was hunting down all members of these various conspiracies like a proper vigilante, would have been way better.

Imagine a scene where Birdman beats the mayor to death with a hammer ala Hotline Miami. So there's this nutty vigilante going around forcing all these corrupt entities to panic and begin to self destruct, with our three protagonists caught in the middle.

Whereas a lot of fiction concentrates on the vigilante, this time we see the cops and crooks losing their shit at this figure that quickly becomes mythic and monolithic in their minds.

Birdman present at the orgy. Accidentally inciting the shoutout and chase. Burning their car. Saving the cops' asses at one point, so none of his actions make risk sense to the cops at the time.

Yeah, no, we don't need Jason "Bird Mask" Voorhees.

We already got God Mode Paul, anyway.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Birdman is still going after these people. We don't know the full extent of the plan yet.

Birdman killed one guy three months ago.

Poor Stan was just a frame up job.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Yeah, no, we don't need Jason "Bird Mask" Voorhees.

We already got God Mode Paul, anyway.

Yeah we do! That'd be awesome.

And hell, if S1 was Pizzaman's take on the mythic serial killer and cult, this could be his take on conspiracies and spree killers.

And you could still get God Warrior Paul in this whole mess.

 

[Dennis]

u r wrong

This is the only really gripping part of the season. And the moment I was thinking "maybe this won't be so bad after all"

And then it was.

 

[Purple Cheeto]

I'll admit I was wrong about the kids from the robbery being Chessani's kids.

At least I was on point about one of them being a character who had already been introduced.

 

[Einchy]

At this point, is Birdman even important to the plot? There's a bunch of shady people doing shady shit and one of them got killed. The why and the who for that person dying doesn't seem to matter to anyone besides Frank anymore and after last night's episode he probably doesn't care too much. He's just out for revenge.

True Detective - Season 2 - Everything Is Fucking

I sorta liked that line.

[edit]

It's been months since Birdman did anything.

He probably forgot he killed someone and is out there without a care in the world.

 

[Officerrob]

True Detective - Season 2 - Everything Is Fucking

 

[rtcn63]

So is Leo (Laura's brother) likely to be the dude who shotgunned Velcro?

I'm hoping his fake identity is revealed to be like the guy who's banging Velcro's wife, Zombie Stan, or maybe even Woodrough himself (no one knows who his dad is, so maybe his mom just took a pay off to raise him).

EDIT: Vaughn's character was an orphan right? Is he too old to fit the timeline?