NotTheGuyYouKill
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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Ampersands
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I'm gonna watch this soon. Like others, I don't have my expectations too high but I still expect it to be a solid show.
Will give impressions later if I feel like it.
Will give impressions later if I feel like it.
Askherserenity
Member
Colin Farrel was the best thing about the first episode and I'm pretty sure this'll be the case for the rest of the season. Kitsch's and McAdams's characters were pretty whatever. Sometimes it feels like Kitsch is trying to hard/over acting or something.
Episode felt a bit messy to me but maybe I'm just dumb and couldn't entirely keep up. Maybe it's having four main characters? Last scene was way too cheese. I'm not sure if they're trying to make these scenes seem overly dramatic to the point of them being silly on purpose but how can you not watch that last scene and not roll your eyes.
I think overall I felt it was better than I expected and will keep watching. Really hope it ends up being a good one.
Episode felt a bit messy to me but maybe I'm just dumb and couldn't entirely keep up. Maybe it's having four main characters? Last scene was way too cheese. I'm not sure if they're trying to make these scenes seem overly dramatic to the point of them being silly on purpose but how can you not watch that last scene and not roll your eyes.
I think overall I felt it was better than I expected and will keep watching. Really hope it ends up being a good one.
a secret-boss
Banned
This is part 2 of a movie. Sequel means more. So more characters for True Detective 2. At least they all converge right away and not wait mid season so it's not bad
Nice to see Ventura. My neighborhood
Nice to see Ventura. My neighborhood
Thought this was pretty bad. Everyone involved seems to be aware of how serious and grim and important their lines are, but they just manifest in tedious rehearsals of cop cliches and daddy issues. Farrell and Vaughn in particular feel awful - Farrell's character feels more appropriate for Nicholas Cage hamming it up, and Vaughn, when trying to project authority, looks more like he's trying to remember his lines, his eyes darting around looking for cues.
I think the show jumps between like three characters in five different scenes in the first ten minutes, and keeps moving forward in that fashion, never settling down to lend weight to these hollow caricatures. Like there's nothing that interests me beyond whether Kitsch's character has emotions beyond I LIKE BIKE and I WANT DIE, or whether McAdams gets to use the hilariously sizable armory of ninja knives she's stashed on person and in her house. And Pizzolatto's ponderous dialogue without Mac or Harrelson's delivery and acting fall flat, often in amusing ways. Farrell intones,
i used to want to be an astronaut.
but astornauts don't even go to the moon anymore
and then he goes and creates daddy issues because the show needed more of it, obviously.
The last scene - where the avengers assemble, Ninja Girl and Bike Cop awaiting Drunk Cop as the Ninja Girl's forgettable sidekick gently exits the scene - is also fun, I guess, in a really awful way, the camera panning out aboard a helicopter and showing the region in all its morning light glory because this is the setting and I don't think the viewer saw more of it beyond the occasional cut to an aerial view of a smoke belching factory.
I think the show jumps between like three characters in five different scenes in the first ten minutes, and keeps moving forward in that fashion, never settling down to lend weight to these hollow caricatures. Like there's nothing that interests me beyond whether Kitsch's character has emotions beyond I LIKE BIKE and I WANT DIE, or whether McAdams gets to use the hilariously sizable armory of ninja knives she's stashed on person and in her house. And Pizzolatto's ponderous dialogue without Mac or Harrelson's delivery and acting fall flat, often in amusing ways. Farrell intones,
i used to want to be an astronaut.
but astornauts don't even go to the moon anymore
and then he goes and creates daddy issues because the show needed more of it, obviously.
The last scene - where the avengers assemble, Ninja Girl and Bike Cop awaiting Drunk Cop as the Ninja Girl's forgettable sidekick gently exits the scene - is also fun, I guess, in a really awful way, the camera panning out aboard a helicopter and showing the region in all its morning light glory because this is the setting and I don't think the viewer saw more of it beyond the occasional cut to an aerial view of a smoke belching factory.
Please God, if you're out. You're out. No waffling.
brianjones
Member
holy shit this was bad
nothing about it worked for me
writing was hilarious
nothing about it worked for me
writing was hilarious
neoism
Member
yup as i knew it would be s1 is god teir not even racheals character is likable... :/ will wait out the next month or so and just watch these all at once!
also goddamn the title track is terrible.........
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
Idk... I enjoyed it and was intrigued by all new main characters and the mess they're jumping into.
A lot of the complaints appear to be people expecting similarities to Season 1. Weird...
Ditto. That one or the song that the lady at the bar was singing.
A lot of the complaints appear to be people expecting similarities to Season 1. Weird...
Ditto. That one or the song that the lady at the bar was singing.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I really like the new intro
Askherserenity
Member
Loved it.
It was too overwritten and unrealistic.
brianjones
Member
what was that first scene with her all about? was she trying to play with his ass or something? pretty weird scene to open with
as for the title track.. yeah.. i'll stick with early leonard cohen if thats any indication of his new album lol .. he is 80 years old tho ill give him a break
Net_Wrecker
Member
So it wasn't just me. When Ritche Coster popped up on screen it felt like I slipped into some amazing dimension where Luck ran for 5 seasons or something. Even the intro gave off that vibe. I can't say it was anywhere near as good a premiere though.
As for TD......ehh. I don't love season 1 nearly as much as most seem to so I don't feel betrayed or whatever, but it's a clear step down in most aspects, especially this "set up" period before the story really gets going. I feel like there's a better True Detective season 2 premiere somewhere in there if a director with a strong voice was allowed to go in and really tear the script down to get rid of the exposition and "trailer lines." I don't immediately dismiss genre elements and character archetypes, but some of it felt needlessly forced here. Like a show that knows the convergence of the principal cast is what everyone wants, but is still obligated to run through bits of backstory for them so we know exactly how tortured everyone is before they meet. I would've proffered a more opaque intro that leaves us asking what everyone's deal is while just diving into the personality clash more immediately. David Morse's father character analyzing Ani, for example. it's like....c'mon son, in the first episode? This is really on the nose.
Anyway, I liked those lens flares. Bike ride looked straight out of Heat.
Inevitable comparisons with Season 1 will happen, myself included, but we're 1 hour into an 8 hour movie.
Season 1 set the high pretty fucking high, no doubt, but let's see 3 or 4 episodes in how the story and characters intertwine before making judgements based on one gif.
Speaking of which is it safe to assume Taylor Kitsch character, Paul Woodrugh, is
gay based on the blue pill (Viagra) he took in the bathroom?
Season 1 started with two main characters to focus on whereas with Season 2 we got fiveish.
Me too. Also thought this was going to be just focused on the LA area but we're going all the way to Central Cali in episode 1.
King Tubby
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I didn't watch any of S1, put this on since I figure, why not, the seasons are unrelated anyway...man, this is trash so far.
So many eye rolling lines, so many things that seem like they'd be written by a 15 year old trying to be dark. The line about raping Aspen's dad with his mom's headless corpse...groan. None of it seemed real at all, just cliche after cliche. I hope it gets better. I hope S1 is much better, because I plan on watching that too.
On the plus side, the soundtrack and intro were pretty good.
So many eye rolling lines, so many things that seem like they'd be written by a 15 year old trying to be dark. The line about raping Aspen's dad with his mom's headless corpse...groan. None of it seemed real at all, just cliche after cliche. I hope it gets better. I hope S1 is much better, because I plan on watching that too.
On the plus side, the soundtrack and intro were pretty good.
BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
Point of clarification:
Was Velcoro going to butt-fuck Aspen's dad with his mom's headless corpse (as in corpse inserted into asshole)? Or was he going to butt-fuck Aspen's dad the traditional way (with Little Velcoro), while Aspen's mom's headless corpse was located on the lawn nearby?
This is a "man chased a cat with a broom in his pajamas" sort of situation for me.
Was Velcoro going to butt-fuck Aspen's dad with his mom's headless corpse (as in corpse inserted into asshole)? Or was he going to butt-fuck Aspen's dad the traditional way (with Little Velcoro), while Aspen's mom's headless corpse was located on the lawn nearby?
This is a "man chased a cat with a broom in his pajamas" sort of situation for me.
That was good. Did every character have at least one line that bombed?
"The highway, it suits me. I'm no good on the sidelines."
"Never do anything out of hunger. Not even eating."
What's a good one for the girl? Didn't she say something about how maybe her sister should start using again?
brianjones
Member
a really good question
i was actually picturing him fucking the dad with the mom's.. neck ?
but i think the latter is maybe what he intended
Askherserenity
Member
I think he suggested he would stick Aspen's mom's headless corpse up Aspen's dad's ass.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
I liked it. It has a sense of noir mixed with damaged characters. When the supposed "criminal" of the group is the only one that's not deplorable you know you're in for a good ride.
That said, I absolutely hated the first season. I found it dull, uninspired, and difficult to watch as there were just actors saying lines while staring off camera. I know I'm in the minority there, but it seems I might also be in the minority of those that liked this episode.
That said, I absolutely hated the first season. I found it dull, uninspired, and difficult to watch as there were just actors saying lines while staring off camera. I know I'm in the minority there, but it seems I might also be in the minority of those that liked this episode.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
Yeah, except the crappy ending. Maybe s2 will suck balls but have a good ending?
brianjones
Member
This season has seriously not started off that great. The premise is really simple compared too the 1st season but hopefully will grow.
How is Collin Farrel's character not in jail yet lol.
I guess they couldn't do another series killer this season. I just want more conspiracy thrown in instead of just having a corrupt cop basically working both sides.
How is Collin Farrel's character not in jail yet lol.
I guess they couldn't do another series killer this season. I just want more conspiracy thrown in instead of just having a corrupt cop basically working both sides.
Or maybe it will pick up and end up being a decent season overall.
Askherserenity
Member
I was wondering this when he visited Aspen's house. Like...the dude is easily identifiable, how would he just get away with that?
I didn't hate the first episode. I thought it was alright and builds a workable foundation.
My biggest criticism is that piz seems to be stuck between sticking to his initial vision of a true anthology series that only loosely ties the theme of detective and making a spiritual successor to the first season.
What I mean is in some ways you can see he is clearly deviating from last season in terms of supernatural element and location and format. But then in other ways it is just the same outline with things ratcheted up more like a typical sequel. Such as the broken down character angle needing redemption(waayyy more on the nose this time), bringing people together around a mysterious murder, deviant behavior of suspects, sex scenes, religion themes the gritty tone, the monologues. Mostly for a show penned as being about the detectives and not the case, this season almost feels like a retread of the first season in that department. Just with more characters going through the the Rust Cole process of seeking redemption. Only now ratcheted up more.
And heck maybe the issue is Piz just has a certain way he tells stories and making that dramatic shift isn't possible.
It's hard to put into words but this opening just feels alright but a bit "off."
My biggest criticism is that piz seems to be stuck between sticking to his initial vision of a true anthology series that only loosely ties the theme of detective and making a spiritual successor to the first season.
What I mean is in some ways you can see he is clearly deviating from last season in terms of supernatural element and location and format. But then in other ways it is just the same outline with things ratcheted up more like a typical sequel. Such as the broken down character angle needing redemption(waayyy more on the nose this time), bringing people together around a mysterious murder, deviant behavior of suspects, sex scenes, religion themes the gritty tone, the monologues. Mostly for a show penned as being about the detectives and not the case, this season almost feels like a retread of the first season in that department. Just with more characters going through the the Rust Cole process of seeking redemption. Only now ratcheted up more.
And heck maybe the issue is Piz just has a certain way he tells stories and making that dramatic shift isn't possible.
It's hard to put into words but this opening just feels alright but a bit "off."
Sectorseven
Member
That scene where Collin Farell tells his partner what a 207 is felt really out of place. I could see it on network TV, but not here with these characters and caliber of the talent.
BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
It seems that's what most people thought, but I'm not sure. Maybe Aspen won't get the message and we'll find out.
megamerican
Member
Maybe it was lowered expectations but I had a good time with this episode. Farell's delivery of the Ass pen line is probably my favorite moment of the entire series. Normally a fan of McAdams, but she is either miscast or horribly written, I can't really tell which yet. I find it hilarious she has a tiny apartment and she devotes that much space to storing knives and a wooden doll she uses for stabbing.
Thought the premier was fine. Didn't love it but I also didn't love the first season at first, it took me a bit to get into the characters and the world.
That's some pro level nitpicking.
That's some pro level nitpicking.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I liked it, it has a cool Los Angeles noir vibe that I dig. Juggling so many characters as me cautious though.
King Tubby
Member
Todd VanDerWerff said:
I dunno, seems pretty spot on to me.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Good stuff - give it time
I think it will have a much better end game than S1
I think it will have a much better end game than S1
This is a show where beating up the writer of a apparently pretty major newspaper will convince him to stop writing a multipart corruption article (that in the real world would probably have been already completed and approved by the editor) makes sense.
neoism
Member
I didn't watch any of S1, put this on since I figure, why not, the seasons are unrelated anyway...man, this is trash so far.
So many eye rolling lines, so many things that seem like they'd be written by a 15 year old trying to be dark. The line about raping Aspen's dad with his mom's headless corpse...groan. None of it seemed real at all, just cliche after cliche. I hope it gets better. I hope S1 is much better, because I plan on watching that too.
On the plus side, the soundtrack and intro were pretty good.
dude.... what the fuuuuuuuuuu.... season is fucking amazing watch it now in one sitting...
That's what it reads like. Everyone wants to take this show down after 1 episode. Seems kinda petty. I know they got the first three episodes, but to do a hit job like this out the gate just sounds petty when I read this stuff. The episode was decent, just like the first episode of the first season. That took time to build just as well. If you want the same ol shit go watch the first season again I guess. Television more than any medium needs time to establish and build. It's why we're so fortunate networks continue to take risks on long form media like this. Give the right opportunities like this.
I'm disappointed that they went with that Leonard Cohen song for the intro instead of the Lera Lynn song from that first teaser trailer
Do it! Judging an entire show just because of the first episode is a silly thing, give it a chance!This sure is getting blasted on twitter, damn. Still want to see it bad
Personally, S1 didnt grab me at first. It really hooked me past the mid point.
Askherserenity
Member
Yeah, I didn't even love the episode but that article had me rolling my eyes more than the actual episode.
layzie1989
Member
I don't get that last shot...wasn't it the morning? Why was the sun rising in the west?
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Anyone have some recommendations on stuff to read along the lines of Season 1? I want something 'different' but good...yah.
StriKeVillain
Banned
To be fair, "Start asking the right fucking questions" was a perfect way to end S1E1.
But yeah, I enjoyed this episode. And it's not like I have a plethora of quality TV to go running to to replace it, lmao. Besides Hannibal, Halt and Catch Fire and Penny Dreadful, what else is out there?