Future PhaZe
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Velcoro himself says that if Antigone hasn't heard the stories about him by now that she would soon. Made it seem like pretty common knowledge.
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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Anton Sugar
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Just her surfing some hardcore (and maybe BDSM?) porn sites.
Yeah, I didn't care for that scene. I suppose it's supposed to be her "damage", with her swinging back whiskey and surfing hardcore porn.
My speculation (I haven't seen the next ep promo, btw): it's someone related to the investigation that wants to "keep it unsolved" or whatever. That's why I think it's just rock salt--it's supposed to be a warning.
I pointed this out earlier and my posts were deleted. Also watch the trailers in the OP. Everyone already forgot what was in them. He's alive.
Yeah, it's really not doing anything to me right now. If Ray really is dead, I'll stop watching for now and (try to) binge watch season 2 at a later date when I'm hungover or bored or just have a lot of time to kill.
If Ray is alive, which I'm hoping for, I suppose I'll keep watching weekly. Not like there's anything else going on right now.
I mean, Semyon (Vaughn) and the Vinci city folks (Mayor, police chief, etc.) don't ignore it, they all revel in the fact that he's corrupt, and use him to intimidate a reporter. The state police wants Kitsch and Rachel McAdams' character to get close to him and see just how bent he is as part of their investigation.
Yeah. At least for me, a fake out cliff hanger is usually, kind of a cheap way to shock your audience IMO (although that hinges on the execution of it). It also makes the cliff hanger and scene feel lesser in hindsight. So I've never been a big fan of writers leaning on these kind of narrative decisions.
On my Twitter feed, I saw people losing their minds after the episode aired. I can't help but think that most of these people will be mad if it ends up being a fake out. I was just asking since I've seen a lot of posts in this thread saying they believe the character is really dead. And lot of it is about how gutsy the decision was.
I also think people have a lot of expectations for this show and are always assuming extreme things. Like Piz is subverting everyone's expectation and all of this was a distraction from what the real season is about etc.
I've also stayed away from any spoilers including promos. Great point/speculation. That makes a lot of sense! Wouldn't be surprised if that is what it ends up being.
Cornballer
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- Grantland review
- Rolling Stone review
- IndieWire review
- Salon review
- Warming Glow: Breaking Down True Detective Episode 2
- Daily Beast Interview: Taylor Kitsch on True Detective *might be some spoilers*
- Rolling Stone review
- IndieWire review
- Salon review
- Warming Glow: Breaking Down True Detective Episode 2
- Daily Beast Interview: Taylor Kitsch on True Detective *might be some spoilers*
Seems like universally, people don't like Vince Vaughns character. I wonder what the show could do at this point to save that character. I was really hoping that Vaughn would have nailed this role (or that the character would be more interesting). I guess we have plenty of room left for them to do something. But it seems like most just don't like that character.
I have to say, I am glad they went with Rachel McAdams and Colin Farrell. For all the issues I have with the season so far, I am starting to dig these characters.
I have to say, I am glad they went with Rachel McAdams and Colin Farrell. For all the issues I have with the season so far, I am starting to dig these characters.
That opening VV was painfully long. I guess my main problem with VV is I dont think Ive seen him in a dramatic role, if I did was forgettable. So seeing remembering him as a wise-cracking clown and then moving into this isnt very convincing to me, also he doesnt have the best writing.
Wow... Still waiting for ep. 4 to pick it up, but man, so mixed reviews of the show. TD, is becoming the show that everybody loves to hate.
I wonder IF the fate of Matthew McConaughey would have been different -Not getting the Oscar or Golden Globe-, Sesason 1 would have so much praise.
I wonder IF the fate of Matthew McConaughey would have been different -Not getting the Oscar or Golden Globe-, Sesason 1 would have so much praise.
I wonder if people would have liked the show at all if it weren't for Matthew McConaughey's character.
Cornballer
Member
They did them last year, but I haven't seen one for S2. They did an interview last week, but that was it.
Yep. True. I wonder too.
[KoRp]Jazzman
Member
The scene with Kitsch breaking up with his gf was just god awful. Both the acting and the dialogue, my god it sounded like a soap opera that kept going with zero emotion at all.
That said, loved the episode overall and it really started to pick up from a pretty weak intro. I like how Farrell got it out in the open that he's dirty and they don't want the case solved. Could be an awesome dynamic if he is going to start trying to be a decent person again and uses his shadyness for the good of the case.
That said, loved the episode overall and it really started to pick up from a pretty weak intro. I like how Farrell got it out in the open that he's dirty and they don't want the case solved. Could be an awesome dynamic if he is going to start trying to be a decent person again and uses his shadyness for the good of the case.
Man Colin slipped with the accent like 3 times just in that one scene with his ex-wife. Wasn't super distracting since every other part of the performance was solid. Like what I'm seeing thus far. I think the VV monologue went on for way too long. Despite enjoying the series thus far, I sorta feel like Justin Lin was wasted on these setup episodes.
Inferno313
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Season 1 WAS the two characters. There's no version of the show that doesn't have either of those two characters.
Very good point. He kinda tied up the show and somehow was in tune with many parts of the series: the narration, the story, the mood, even the scenery.
The case investigated in season 1 was ok but nothing special.
Vampirolol
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Two people talk, one drinks, the other stares at the wall. At the end of the discussion one of them gets up and exits the room, the other person asks a question or says something about the one going out who says a smart one-line and finally goes out leaving the reamining person driking or staring at the wall.
True Detective 2.
True Detective 2.
I think people are selling VV short. His character seems like a underworld guy who got screwed over by the corporate folks. He isn't some untouchable gangster but he doesn't seem like a complete push over either. Going back to episode one after watching two makes him a lot more fleshed out than I previously thought.
That "We're not gangsters" line felt like a slap on VV face, letting him know Corporate world plays by a whole nother set of rules and you just got your cash ganked to me. Can't wait to see Vince break start digging into people to get his money and information. I won't be one of the ones hot in the ass to dismiss this season, as even season one took a good three episodes to wheel me in and I'm enjoying the ride so far.
That "We're not gangsters" line felt like a slap on VV face, letting him know Corporate world plays by a whole nother set of rules and you just got your cash ganked to me. Can't wait to see Vince break start digging into people to get his money and information. I won't be one of the ones hot in the ass to dismiss this season, as even season one took a good three episodes to wheel me in and I'm enjoying the ride so far.
Cut to overhead shot of LA highways
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
It's definitely a prostitute. He was counting money as soon as he stepped out of the car.
Anton Sugar
Member
[KoRp]Jazzman;170294807 said:
On the plus side, that scene just confirmed to me that Adria Arjona is, in fact, the most beautiful woman in the world.
Yup. The pieces are "there" but they're not working.
There's also the thing where, really, if he wanted to kill him, he's lying on the ground, immobile. Why shoot him in the gut? Shoot him in the head.
I think some of the comments about the dialogue is hyperbolic. I'm not sure season one was always so brilliant, we were just generally more into what those characters were saying.
I think the show is struggling to manage to four POVs, especially with a plot that involves relatively complicated machinations of finance, land deals, local governments, multitudes of agendas, etc. It's hard to pull all that off on anything more than a surface level.
I think the show is struggling to manage to four POVs, especially with a plot that involves relatively complicated machinations of finance, land deals, local governments, multitudes of agendas, etc. It's hard to pull all that off on anything more than a surface level.
As that scene initially unfolded, I was wondering if she was searching for her sister.
Vampirolol
Member
We should work together.
I was kinda thinking it might be the opposite, someone who DOES want this investigation to get closer to something. Velcoro is checking this place out quietly on the down low. This stranger causes a big fuss so that the house doesn't go unnoticed by official law enforcement channels, and injuring Velcoro may also serve to sideline him for a bit so the investigation can get moving without his interference. The latter would make sense for why this person doesn't just phone in a tip or something to bring police to the scene. Two birds, one stone.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
It would also explain the costume. Because if you're out to kill someone then there's no reason to dress up.
So get dressed up, put a hurting on Velcoro, maybe even tell him a thing or two while you have his attention, and then get out of there ASAP without anyone knowing who you are.
His "shake up" scene was anything but menacing. I wasn't sure if I was supposed to take it seriously.
lastflowers
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agreed. Kitsch can be fantastic, but thus far the writing hasn't done him any favors.
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Dead or not, I think its pretty obvious
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VV set up Ray
DoktorEvil
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My baseless theory:
Again, it's probably a reach but given some of they hints they dropped it seems somewhat possible.
Casper's therapist gives the impression that his sexual proclivities cast him as a submissive. Vince Vaughn's character goes to do recon at the "club", he gets a little more details on that -- that he likes to watch.
It's possible that he was into some sort of elaborate home invasion cuckold setup. Where Casper would normally be somehow forcefully incapacitated while his lady was taken by the invader. Perhaps Casper just put in an order that he never got a chance to cancel. That would help explain why Ray wasn't killed and why the person in the mask was comfortable blasting him right in front of a camera that could be networked out to a server.
It's possible that he was into some sort of elaborate home invasion cuckold setup. Where Casper would normally be somehow forcefully incapacitated while his lady was taken by the invader. Perhaps Casper just put in an order that he never got a chance to cancel. That would help explain why Ray wasn't killed and why the person in the mask was comfortable blasting him right in front of a camera that could be networked out to a server.
Again, it's probably a reach but given some of they hints they dropped it seems somewhat possible.
forgeforsaken
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Nah, if anything VV was being setup as he got the address from the girl at the club. It's in VV's interest to get to the bottom of things as he's out 5M otherwise.
Future PhaZe
Member
A question gets asked. Answer leads to revelations of...damage. A lingering look in response. Silence. The tone is dark, verging on depressing. Cut to overhead shot of intricate Los Angeles traffic.
True Detective 2
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
Well, the lack of blood in that scene should be a sign. This isn't a show or a network that has any qualms with spraying blood every which way but we didn't see a single ounce of the red stuff come out of ray.
I mean, we saw a guy with his nuts shot off yet there was no spray in any of the 2 shots ray took. And whomever was after Ray, if they really wanted to kill him then they wouldve gone with a shot to the head when he was down no?
So yeah, if he's not dead it wouldn't surprise me but i do think we're owed some sort of explanation, like salt or some shit. It didn't seem like he was wearing a vest so i think that's out of the question.
Ray being his only link inside the investigation to the guy who had his $10 million means he really doesn't have a motive to kill him. He has 10 million reasons to keep him around and sound.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
i don't think so if anything it might of been the fat gangster with the Gold Teeth. VV has no reason to set up Ray
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Actually a decent theory
bodyofanamerican
Member
I know we've discussed rock salt in the shotgun, but have we also discussed the possibility of simply rubber bullets? Would serve the same purpose as the rock salt (serious injury, but Ray survives), but would be a little more probable that the point-blank shot doesn't practically kill him.
The bird mask obliterates this theory. This is the same guy that