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TRUMP 2016: "The Winston Churchill of Our Time"
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Gordon Shumway
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Pretty sure that's a yes, boss..
NYCmetsfan
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The press tells you that is an accurate representation of a Trump supporter and you eat it right up without question as factual. You're basically doing the same thing as the lady in the quote.
NYCmetsfan
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This is from a frank luntz focus group.
http://time.com/4009413/donald-trump-focus-group-frank-luntz/
Gorgeous. These people are the "it's got electrolytes" voters of our time.
Battersea Power Station
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I always thought people were silly when espousing the wisdom of Idiocracy, but if Trump gets the nomination, it really will seem like a scary documentary.
I really try to resist the urge, but in this case the comparison was far too appropriate.
Dude Abides
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No true Trump supporter reads his hat.
PlayALLtheGames
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This is why Trump isn't rushing for specifics. He doesn't need them. You can see that, for stupid people, being non-specific works just fine.
SenjutsuSage
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And if you call him out, "You're a loser!"
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Winston Churchill of our time indeed. Every time he opens his mouth it sounds like the rant of someone drinking a bottle of Scotch a day
Reading Luntz's revelation makes me feel like he still doesn't entirely get it. Like he sees the results and realizes how bad the are for the GOP, but he completely misreads the situation and what it means. Yes the grassroots have abandoned the GOP, but it isn't because the elites weren't listening to them. The GOP elite created this image of a perfect candidate: a successful businessman who is a Washington outsider that says what he wants without caring about what others think--mostly insulting Democrats and other progressives--while still being able to connect with them on a personal level. This is what they look for because this is what the GOP has been telling them is good for America. The GOP has been saying it so long that it's basically become gospel for their base, much like the idea of liberals running the media. They've forgotten where they got the idea from in the first place. Trump is just the idealized version of the candidate the GOP has been selling their base. That's why they can't hurt him.
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PlayALLtheGames
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I expect most Palin supporters then are Trump supporters now, so the fans themselves are about the same, but even I'd feel way better about Trump being president than Palin.
Yuuup.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Hatvertising is the hot new thing in politics.
Rentahamster
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It's not just stupid people. People whom you might consider normal or even smart tend to insert their own ideal version of what those details could be, on their own. It's a common aspect of human psychology, and one of the tools of persuasion and selling.
This is absolutely amazing.
LiveFromKyoto
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Idiocracy resonates because it's about people who already exist, and how they already think and act. Trump just happens to have captured that particular audience.
j_k_redtail
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+1. Trump is terrible, but he is the candidate the GOP deserves.
This is the same Frank Luntz who had a focus group on Fox News immediately after the Republican debate. As you may recall, it was a suspect panel in that it was full of people who said he lost badly. In reality, his numbers went up and Fox News took a lot of heat for bias against Trump.
In his line of work, it's really easy to paint a false picture if he was so inclined. IMO we already have an instance of him deciding on a narrative beforehand. Therefore, him finding someone who's voting Trump over a hat and painting that as an average supporter is just him following his agenda.
However, since it's the type of thing you want to hear, you eat it right up. Much like how that lady's voting Trump over a slogan on a hat... The slogan is what she wanted to hear, so she's eating it right up.
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He wrote a book called The Art of the Dell for a reason. He knows what he is doing and the reason he is so much better then the right of the right's field is because he IS sellsman. Politicians are shysters too, but Trump is a different type. With that said, I'd trump to stick around as long as possible, up until election. He has had an overall good effect to politics. The usual rhetoric that the right tries hasn't been working, and it is deconstructing their party.
Also, Frank Luntz is a shyster too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
Also, Frank Luntz is a shyster too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
I think this is mostly correct, but I don't actually think it contradicts Luntz's point.
The base was convinced by the GOP that they want true believers. The thing is that the GOP never intended to provide true believers -- because true believers are terrible at politics. They intended to provide a bunch of pragmatic politicians who would claim to be true believers and then turn around and pass rich people tax cuts, slash entitlements, etc.
But because they convinced the base they want true believers, the base started actually nominating and electing true believers, which is really bad for the GOP, because true believers can't compromise and so can't get anything done.
Trump is just the ultimate extension of this process. He's a true believer in himself.
I happen to be flipping through it now and some of what he wrote in 1987, you can clearly see him doing now in his Presidental race:
"One thing I've learned about the press is that they're always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better."
"The funny thing is that even a critical story, which may be hurtful personally, can be very valuable to your business."
"When a reporter asks me a tough question, I try to frame a positive answer, even if that means shifting the ground."
"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration -- and a very effective form of promotion."
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Just now, walked by a tv in the office and it was a MSNBC breaking news conference of Trump talking to the press about something related to Rick Perry, and when it came time for taking questions, Jorge Ramos of Univision was forcefully hauled off by security.
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Video: https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/636310210257121280
Trump told him to "go back to Univision" and then later in the presser, said that he didn't know who Ramos was.
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Video: https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/636310210257121280
Trump told him to "go back to Univision" and then later in the presser, said that he didn't know who Ramos was.
It's got nothing to do with stupidity: people in general want to know that the problems they find important are acknowledged and someone is doing or planning to do something about them. Whether any of the proposed solutions are workable aren't particularly important at the end of the day. Otherwise anyone advocating trickle-down economics would have been laughed out of their jobs decades ago. Trump has been able to tap into this populist vein in a way perhaps never seen in modern American politics which is why he has a real shot at the Republican nomination.
I like this post a lot. Trump is exactly the kind of person that the Republican elite have said will make everything better. That's why their attempts to take him down have failed so far. The real question is how Trump's supporters will act when the Republicans start putting up procedural obstacles in his path.
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speculawyer
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Spin: Trump will handle IS just like he handled Jorge Ramos.
Zantetsuken
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A guy worth that much can empathize with a poor guy like me?
Post-racial candidate.
Come on Trump, you can go farther than that. What a lightweight; a total loser.
He's really working for 0% of the Latino vote isn't he?
We would if the train were not currently crashing INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.
Was Trump a College Football player?
Bam Bam Baklava
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The trainwreck is not only making more news than the rest of the Republican field, he's also the frontrunner. Besides, Trump isn't particularly worse than most (all?) of the other GOP candidates.
"Let's make America great again" was Reagan's 1980 campaign slogan.
Joe Molotov
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You know who else was on the cover of Time magazine?
Uh...that's LIFE magazine.
Trump only "likes" the bible?? What will his religious supporters think of that lukewarm praise when he "loves Mexicans" (after saying illegal immigrants are rapists) and has "a great relationship with the blacks" (after saying laziness is a trait in blacks)...
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