DorkLord54
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Soon he'll start talking about how those Irish, Italians, and Poles are a bunch of lazy mooches who came here because their countries suck.
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Trump advisors aim to privatize oil-rich Indian reservations
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Soon he'll start talking about how those Irish, Italians, and Poles are a bunch of lazy mooches who came here because their countries suck.
LegendofJoe
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I concluded the former. Not quite as odious but lol at the guy who said it should be done in a way to avoid unintended consequences. He obviously has no clue about the firestorm this will unleash.
Thanks for the responses. Really worried he's gunna use some of this rhetoric to soften the blow of reversing the deal.
GamePnoy74
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Sadly, it really does sound like Cobra Commander, Destro, Serpentor & co. ¯_(ツ
_/¯DragonSworne
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This will greatly improve my life and the lives of all those who lost their jobs. Oh wait, no it fucking won't.
Way to think for the 1% Trump.
Way to think for the 1% Trump.
It's almost as if having an evil corporate president and knowing that evil corporate types do evil shit, implies that an evil corporate president will actually do evil shit.
Incredible. I mean, sure, the principal of Modus Ponens dates back to antiquity, but it's nice that the American people are putting it to the test.
Incredible. I mean, sure, the principal of Modus Ponens dates back to antiquity, but it's nice that the American people are putting it to the test.
Metalingus5150
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Any Trump supporters got a defense to this?
LegendofJoe
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The mad dash of the fossil fuel industry to open up new sources of extraction is confusing to me. They're fighting a losing battle. It's akin to pouring all your R&D into VCRs when Compact Disks have already entered the market. Yes, we're going to need oil for a long time still, so the analogy isn't perfect. But we are very close to reaching peak demand, opening up new supply is only going to drive prices down.
The era of the black gold rush is over, why are people insisting on continuing to beat an aging horse whose days are numbered? The future of energy is not in fossil fuels, they need to get that through their thick skulls and diversify now while they still can.
Edit: If nations, regions, and companies don't diversify they only have themselves to blame. The writing is on the wall, the introduction of self-driving cars will only hasten the decline in demand for oil.
The era of the black gold rush is over, why are people insisting on continuing to beat an aging horse whose days are numbered? The future of energy is not in fossil fuels, they need to get that through their thick skulls and diversify now while they still can.
Edit: If nations, regions, and companies don't diversify they only have themselves to blame. The writing is on the wall, the introduction of self-driving cars will only hasten the decline in demand for oil.
Their incredibly selfish to the point where they, much like Trump, don't give a fuck about anyone else except themselves and maybe, maaaaaybe a family member or two.
So no, no defense for this. All Trump supporters are selfish, maybe not necessarily racist but selfish assholes all the same.
DragonSworne
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I wonder how much of that oil will be Russia's.
I don't think anyone has any hope in republicans and trump making this beneficial to the native Americans. In some shape or another it's going to make it easier for companies to exploit native Americans.
ryutaro's mama
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"Guys, he won't REALLY do any of this stuff...he's just saying all that to get elected! Man, you guys are so paranoid."
JonnyDBrit
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Betting they'll try to justify this as 'creating jobs', implying but not actually promising or ensuring that it will bring economic prosperity to people living on the Reservations.
Jesus though, this is gonna be rough for Native Americans.
Jesus though, this is gonna be rough for Native Americans.
Principate
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It's basically a balancing game, the majority of the major hydrocarbon reservoirs are in maturity stage quite often depletion. As technology increased, the efficiency and types of reservoirs we can extract from has increased but these are generally smaller reservoirs, as the biggest ones are the easiest to find (thus drained first). Currently we're in the seasonal cycle of where the production out ways demand in quite a freak manner of luck (or bad luck). Oil reservoirs are extremely expensive to develop and run and even more expensive when your not running from it (it literally costs you millions per day), so no company frankly wants to stop production. That's why it took OPEC so long to reach an agreement.
Still we're at a point we're most major fields are making the best of scarce and starting to deplete resources, which is why more potential oil is still seen as appetising even in this situation.
DragonSworne
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbjUQf8G2X4
This link should always be posted when the topic is Trump and native Americans.
He thinks it's discriminatory that Indian's have reservations. Given the chance, he will strip all land away from Native Americans.
This link should always be posted when the topic is Trump and native Americans.
He thinks it's discriminatory that Indian's have reservations. Given the chance, he will strip all land away from Native Americans.
There's enough videos that I'll make a trump is a fuckboi playlist. It certainly doesn't belong in my favorites.
Yep. We don't fucking own land, that's like, outrageous to us. So it would be sold to private companies that give fuck all about Natives.
NullPointer
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Sure, but if these reservations are sovereign, they should have the choice to ruin it for themselves. Do these government regulations exist to save the land from themselves?
I guess I need to know more because this doesn't sound very straightforward. These reservations are sovereign, but they don't own the land, which means the US Government is involved in any kind of oil and gas exploitation - and its the government rules making things difficult for the tribes? Would removing the regulations spoken of in this article put the decision making in the hands of the tribes? Or in the hands of the new administration with energy companies, regardless of what reservations want?
I don't have any doubts when it comes to the agenda of the oil companies and pro privatization folks, but am wondering specifically where the decision making lies.
LegendofJoe
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True story, I actually live within an hour's drive of the Cherokee reservation mentioned in this article. If anyone there wants to fight this I'll be happy to join them.
Aaronology
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Damn, Codeblue. I've heard that exact same thing from two people in New Mexico. I guess that's going to be the theme from them on any issues relating to Natives. "We won, it's ours."
LegendofJoe
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That still doesn't answer the question of why additional supply is a good thing. Because like you said most of the time it is more expensive to extract, so to recoup their investment it requires that the price of oil be high. But if demand is decreasing how would the price of oil get high enough to justify the investment?
Jesus Christ. They can't be serious. That's inhuman.
Then again so is the treatment of the First Nations today so...
Nemesis121
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The damn near genocide was done in the best interest too..
DragonSworne
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You are asking business sense from a person that went bankrupt 4 times.
Trump will just subsidize these companies aka give them tax dollars.
Principate
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Price of oil has gone through seasons of this multiple times. It's not a strange occurrence. Just like they didn't stop searching then, they're not going to stop searching now. Most likely they'll delay plans to when the price of oil has fully recovered (or it's just feasible), not stop searching completely.
balladofwindfishes
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So after seeing the huge protests over the pipeline, he decides to announce this?
Does he think those protesters are not going to show up for this, which is worse than the piepline? Likely in larger numbers with more support?
Does he think those protesters are not going to show up for this, which is worse than the piepline? Likely in larger numbers with more support?
GuyKazama
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People should have the right to mine their own land. If that's what he's talking about here, then I could see supporting it. This is just one advisor throwing something out there, so I would need to see the legislation / policy change first.
davepoobond
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Human rights and civil rights are now "big government federal bureaucracy"
It's likely watching the protests on TV that gave him this idea. Everything he does is based on cable news.
LegendofJoe
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Unless supply is artificially restrained (which is certainly possible) I don't see the price of oil fully recovering. Electric self-driving cars are going to substantially decrease demand in the years ahead. It's not a problem now, but it will become a big one if people reliant on the oil industry don't prepare for it.
Principate
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Most see this which is why they're already diversifying, look at the company statements from Shell. Keep in mind Oil production has been among the most if not the most profitable industry for several decades. Even in a worse case scenario there's a lot to gain. If all the super majors left production today, Production will plummet demand exceed it and thus it'll be pay day for everyone that's left. The very nature of oil production means it not something you can simply start up and do in a day. So you will find these companies stick at it because economic problems kill competition and promise future profitability.
Sarcasm.
I dont care about what Trump supporter defense will say, I really want to hear those that did a protest vote.
SafeinSound
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When is too much enough? Havent we taken enough from these people?
Principate
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There's never too much, greed will always want more, even at the cost of eventual self destruction.
Unreal. He really is terrible
Edit: He is definitely not racist though. /s
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this poor excuse for a human being is going to be the President of the United States of America. Gross.
Latvian Hitman
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I may have GIF-failed. That's not supposed to be apathy.
Aaronology
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The people who stayed home frankly have more to answer for if we're pointing fingers or making a list.
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