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Was Hitler considered a clown by a significant portion of the German population? Yes, he was.
Trump calls for ban on Muslim immigration
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Was Hitler considered a clown by a significant portion of the German population? Yes, he was.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
1. What's interesting to me is that this language exists just underneath the veneer of Americanism. Who doesn't have an uncle or a grandparent or even a dumb aunt or grandma that hasn't uttered, "we should just turn that entire region to glass," in a reference to nuking the entire middle east? What do you all think that meant? How far do you think Trump is from saying the same thing?
2. I don't know that I buy Kristol's reasoning that Trump is desperate. If he's desperate, it's to eject safely from the race without damaging his own brand.
3. PD is right, it's time for the President to call him a bigot.
4. The entire GOP needs to take this one on the chin and call him out -- even if it means conceding the loss. We're already in "never holding the presidency again" territory for being complicit, here. Losing one or two to Hillary (not the worst ally to hawks or wall street, we'll all quietly note) would be far better than losing 3-4 generations.
2. I don't know that I buy Kristol's reasoning that Trump is desperate. If he's desperate, it's to eject safely from the race without damaging his own brand.
3. PD is right, it's time for the President to call him a bigot.
4. The entire GOP needs to take this one on the chin and call him out -- even if it means conceding the loss. We're already in "never holding the presidency again" territory for being complicit, here. Losing one or two to Hillary (not the worst ally to hawks or wall street, we'll all quietly note) would be far better than losing 3-4 generations.
NullPointer
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I wish I had your conviction.
I see his chances as super slim (he wins the nomination and Hillary implodes somehow) but that's still way too close for comfort. He's charming to his base and is taking advantage of fear and desperation, and that's a winning formula in dark times.
More attacks and stronger attacks would only strengthen his brand of rhetoric.
Gentleman Jack
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Yeah I take zero comfort in the notion that Trump is unelectable. He's stoking racist fires across the country, emboldening xenophobia to take action and in general legitimizing the bullying of minorities. He's already doing as much damage as he's ever going to do.
metalslimer
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The GOP is going to deny him the nomination and the party is going to fracture apart. GOP establishment must be jumping off bridges right now. At the very least they must be trying to get everyone to rally around one not Trump.
sineclamor
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So, so much of the stuff this guy says, as well as the way he says it, reminds me of my neighbor with dementia. I honestly wonder if he's got early onset Alzheimer's.
There is very little room to escalate this rhetoric further. The only thing left for him to say is that he wants a holocaust.
I know the repubs have taken a beating these past few years, but this mutated ideology is anathema to everything our country stands for. It has to stop.
There is very little room to escalate this rhetoric further. The only thing left for him to say is that he wants a holocaust.
I know the repubs have taken a beating these past few years, but this mutated ideology is anathema to everything our country stands for. It has to stop.
It would appear we were too charitable in interpreting his statement to only include future immigrants and tourists.
The Republican party frontrunner, ladies and gentlemen.
The line to see Trump in Yorktown.
The Republican base.
If I were a conservative intellectual, I'd be rather disturbed at the folks who've hijacked my party.
Joel Was Right
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Colin Powell once said in an interview (available online) that his own GOP colleagues were making presumptions about Obama based on the notion that he was Muslim.
yanipheonu
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This has all given me the very real problem that its making me kinda racist... against racist white people.
It's actually a problem.
It's actually a problem.
The Lamonster
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First thing I thought of as well.
Jack Scofield
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I keep imagining that Trump initially ran for shits and giggles, but now that it's coming down to the wire he's panicking and trying to say the most batshit insane things he can in order to ruin his support. But instead, each quote improves his standings a little bit more.
"Jesus, what can I say to get people to turn against me?!"
"Jesus, what can I say to get people to turn against me?!"
j_k_redtail
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I'm gonna quote Dan, because he's right:
Trump is not an isolated incident. Trump's base is the logical result of forty years of reactionary rhetoric by the GOP establishment. Every political and electoral defeat crystallizes it further. Obama was wrong when he said a 2012 victory would "break the fever." It has not, and it will not. There is no coming back from this. Trump's pretty bad, but just wait until he loses. His successor will be much worse.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
There's no way to eject safely and prevent damage to his brand. His brands about as damaged as it's going to get. He's already known by a seemingly large number of people as a fascists xenophic racist. There's nothing left to protect aside being known as hypocriye (and if thats what he's about he wouldn't have said half the shit he has).
I'm saddened to realize how true this is.
DataStream
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I think it is pretty likely there is going to be a brokered convention and if he won I wouldn't be shocked if GOP backers started throwing money behind Clinton or a third party candidate. The guy is simply too much of a liability.
If Trump's bigoted rhetoric causes someone to want to join ISIS there are bigger issues than him.
Miles Quaritch
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He's one big terrorist attack away from winning should he get the nomination.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
you dont think prominent voices in our politics marginalizing people is a factor?
Well that's nice. If Trump was president and got his way, when my mother left the country earlier this year to visit her dying father in Pakistan, she wouldn't be able to re-enter the country because she's Muslim.
Honestly, I've never been so disgusted with people for supporting a certain candidate as I am today. 2016's GOP is just disgusting.
Honestly, I've never been so disgusted with people for supporting a certain candidate as I am today. 2016's GOP is just disgusting.
BoboBrazil
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I think at this point he is consciously trying to sink his own campaign because he never actually wanted to be president.
Dixon's Jet
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
For anyone perversely interested, here's the FreeRepublic reaction thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3369477/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3369477/posts
DragonSworne
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A country should absolutely be able to set their conditions on who should and who shouldn't be able to immigrant, but a I don't think that using religion as the sole determination is a good idea.
It is I guess, but there are presumably more worrisome and influential factors that lead someone to think want to commit terror against US civilians or move to Syria to crucify people and take Yazidi sex slaves rather than the GOP being racist.
Frozenprince
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"What insane shit can I say to get my numbers up and rile up the masses even more"
This is a twofold issue. He's doing this both to raise his own numbers, and to pollute the waters and get people into a frenzy in case something happens.
This is a twofold issue. He's doing this both to raise his own numbers, and to pollute the waters and get people into a frenzy in case something happens.
How does that jive with the first amendment?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
paraphrasing:
"that's why we need to declare Islam a non-religion! so we dont have 1st amendment issues"
just sad
also aliens could come and zap all the Muslims, that would be more important too, right?
how about all of the above be taken care of instead of ignoring everything else but "the more important things"
DragonSworne
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I don't know. It's crazy. What happens if you convert to Islam?
I'm going to need some moderate Republicans and more importantly the Republican Leaders to condemn this.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
This could hurt him but with the ISIS attacks so fresh in peoples minds it probably wont. im fully expecting a significant attack by ISIS so as to cement Trumps victory. They want to bring the end of the world and Trump is the surest way to it.
edit: and what would be the entry test for this? Eating bacon? Burning a Quran? Drawing a picture of Mohammed? Fucking ridiculous.
edit: and what would be the entry test for this? Eating bacon? Burning a Quran? Drawing a picture of Mohammed? Fucking ridiculous.
Orbis Tabula
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This is a common theory that I think a lot of people have, but I don't buy it. I mean, as a joke, it's funny, the whole "Producers" Hypothesis. But some people really believe it, and it doesn't make sense. If he wanted to kill his campaign he could do it in a few sentences. "I'm pro-choice, I think gay marriage is great. Black Lives Matter. Jesus was black. I think we should repeal the second amendment." Ta-da. That's all he'd have to do if he really wanted to stop running for President.
Or, he could just say "I'm suspending my campaign for the presidency." Since you're allowed to drop out whenever you want, even if you're doing well.
Will that change anything? Will just cement that the establishment are RINOs and Trump is the real chosen one to bring change to DC.
DragonSworne
Banned
If Trump didn't want to become President he would just quit the race himself, he wouldn't need to sabotage it.
Uhhhhh. No way. What am I looking at here?
Voysa Reezun
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Trump is radicalizing Muslims who are already in this country with his comments, as are people like Ted Cruz with their comments.
When the next attack happens, and it will, the blood that spills is partially on their souls.
When the next attack happens, and it will, the blood that spills is partially on their souls.
Complistic
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The rise of the nationalist party. Interesting.
Fenderputty
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