Except he's riling up and contributing to pure hatred, he's no hero. He won't suffer from what he says but others will.
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Except he's riling up and contributing to pure hatred, he's no hero. He won't suffer from what he says but others will.
They can go lower?
Pretty much. This is why "PC culture is destroying America" is basically code for "I hate the fact that I can't say racist, hateful stuff in public anymore without being called out for it".
Ignatz Mouse
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Because he's gone from being a window into that side of our country on to actively empowering them and stoking their hatred.
j_k_redtail
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Trump currently polls worse against Clinton than any other GOP candidate (52-41). Cruz does marginally better (44%). Take that with a grain of salt because we're still 11 months out, but it really shows you how far removed the GOP base is from the country's political center right now. This drives a stake into the heart of an argument which is taken as gospel in certain corners of the Right: "if we pick a True Conservative, he'll beat Hillary handily!"
Slackerish
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Kasich has put out a good ad against trump in the past week. Sadly his #'s are low, so no one probably noticed.
I am not a fan for megalomaniacs like Trump and Hillary so I agree with you he would be bad. The "experience" thing is overblown but his statements imo are just him seeing what his base likes and running with it like Bernie does. I mean seriously Bernie is like the kid running for class president that that promises recess all day. He can't do any of what he is saying but his statements are like a warm hug to young people that want stuff for free. Trump is speaking to a very different group and adjusts accordingly. Hillary is a chameleon and changes week to week. I just think it's tough talk to boost polling and nothing more tbh.
RPGCrazied
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I hope he gets grilled at the next debate on the 15th. Though the mods might be GOP voters, so the questions will be tame.
EatinOlives
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True. The sooner he gets off the airwaves the better, as his bullshit spewing is going to continue to poison the well for years to come.
A thousand times this. Nothing worse than giving his groupies a megaphone, as it grows like a cancer across communities and poisons their mentality. You rile people enough and they commit hate crimes. Hell, they commit hate crimes literally in front of Trump's face and he encourages it with his putrid rhetoric.
People who keep "laughing at him" either don't know or don't care what effect the shit he says will have on these kinds of conversations moving forward. This isn't just about the election or the GOP or how much "damage" you can do to that party.
PhoenixDark
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It's time for Obama to call Trump a bigot.
RPGCrazied
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The fact he gets so much camera time is frightening.
"In accordance with our great nation's history, and with special deference to its colonial origins, let us close our borders to the filthy foreign rabble."
Commstock = Trump confirmed
This is already Hitler levels, letting this man get into power would be a grave mistake.
Father_Brain
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Well, this has been true for a while; this is just a particularly extreme manifestation of it.
The media has been a huge enabler of the GOP's lurch to the right that brought us here, not just because of outright conservative outlets like Fox but because so many "centrist," "objective" pundits and journalists have proven pathologically unable to abandon the frame that both sides must be equally responsible for the political status quo.
Wow. Just wow.
This is the kind of shit you don't even hear from the European far-right except neo-nazis. Ok they're anti-immigration but not even allowing tourists to visit ? That's fucking insane.
I get that some of the 9/11 hijackers had tourist visas but since when did a tourist present a threat to the country ?
And what about the one billion muslims who're not from arab countries ? What about the European muslims who don't need a visa to visit the United States. Are they gonna get asked their religion and get banned from entering the country if their answer is Islam ? What if they just lied ?
Honestly I didn't think Trump would go that far. This is madness.
This is the kind of shit you don't even hear from the European far-right except neo-nazis. Ok they're anti-immigration but not even allowing tourists to visit ? That's fucking insane.
I get that some of the 9/11 hijackers had tourist visas but since when did a tourist present a threat to the country ?
And what about the one billion muslims who're not from arab countries ? What about the European muslims who don't need a visa to visit the United States. Are they gonna get asked their religion and get banned from entering the country if their answer is Islam ? What if they just lied ?
Honestly I didn't think Trump would go that far. This is madness.
davepoobond
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what can he possibly say? that we had to do it?
Yep. This is what the people who support Trump, and others on the right, want. It's ugly, and it's bad, but it's their perfect reflection. And the other great thing about this, is that if someone more "moderate" (not a word you can use to describe anyone in the GOP field this time) criticizes him, he can accuse them of being un-American/not caring about the safety of Americans/being in bed with terrorists/etc. And their poll numbers will sink.
jesus fucking christ....
TheLostBigBoss
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Joel Was Right
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I came back from seeing Bridge of Spies tonight and found it poignant and relevant to this discussion. I'll share a few quotes I can remember with you.
Donovan: What's your name again?
CIA Agent: ...
Donovan: It's German, right? I'm Irish. On both sides. And yet, what makes us both American? The Constitution. (referring to the Soviet spy) He's served them well, and acted with dignity. He's refused to serve his captor. Refused to flee his cause. Shouldn't we - by giving him the full benefit of our system - show this man who we are? Will we stand by our cause less resolutely than he does his?"
Donovan: What's your name again?
CIA Agent: ...
Donovan: It's German, right? I'm Irish. On both sides. And yet, what makes us both American? The Constitution. (referring to the Soviet spy) He's served them well, and acted with dignity. He's refused to serve his captor. Refused to flee his cause. Shouldn't we - by giving him the full benefit of our system - show this man who we are? Will we stand by our cause less resolutely than he does his?"
Fenderputty
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Because he is and has been dominating the polls for the GOP nom? He represents the opinions of large swaths of republicans.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
A total ban?
Nazi confirmed. Final solution eh Donald?
Nazi confirmed. Final solution eh Donald?
Citadelofmythoughts
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
is Huffington Post still filing this in "entertainment"?
You usually give the person polling highest in their respective party's polls attention, yes.
If you have enough money and make the right promises to the right people pretty much anyone can run, the right people in this case being the paranoid population
Guess he doesn't want the Asian vote either?
JadedWriter
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Next thing you know Trump is going to employ an army of immigrant labor to construct a giant laser shooting colossus.
NullPointer
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Its under World news currently, but not in Politics or Entertainment as far as I've seen.
For those wondering, here is the context, from July:
aspiegamer
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"It was a terrible thing; Terrible thing. The Japanese? Good people, they're mostly good people. I love the Japanese. But we had to be tough and say that this was for the safety of America, even if we didn't want to do it. We had to do it."
Think of how normal a Trump statement that would sound like.
I do wonder, though, why people are seeing this as some sort of escalation on Trump's part. I mean, this is not really different from wanting to build a wall to keep Mexican rapists out of the country. This guy has been a xenophobic lunatic from the very start.
Northeastmonk
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Of course this takes us back to our fears of Communism and how we questioned everyone's affiliation.
Who is gonna answer for this if he wins? What does it mean if he wins? I'd say he's had more of a say because he's filthy rich. He is what, the richest person who has ever run for president?
I'd say money means more than allegations, but he won't get anywhere offending people.
Who is gonna answer for this if he wins? What does it mean if he wins? I'd say he's had more of a say because he's filthy rich. He is what, the richest person who has ever run for president?
I'd say money means more than allegations, but he won't get anywhere offending people.
Bacon haters. Ship those unpatriotic ingrates OUT!!!
Black Republican
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85% of muslims were for GOP pre 9/11 & bush's terms
JadedWriter
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Can't his base be summed up as ignorant xenophobic lunatics?
Veritigo_X
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They're pretty quiet though...
RPGCrazied
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The line to see Trump in Yorktown.
The Republican base.
If I were a conservative intellectual, I'd be rather disturbed at the folks who've hijacked my party.
Literally, most of his base is old white people. That should say something.
HerbertBirdsfoot
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Invoking Pearl Harbor isn't the same as invoking internment.
Trump is a hateful man who has no business being where he is in the presidential race, but c'mon. He's not going to hold up internment as a positive, is he?
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