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Trump Fires James Comey
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We've basically hit a point where the argument is that nobody on the left should ever say anything, because Donald Trump can do something totally insane, try to tie it to something a liberal said, his followers will accept his non-logic, and that will make it the left's fault for using words that Trump could bring up later in a completely unrelated context.
Like, I think Paul Ryan is a pretty shitty human being who should go far away and never be heard from again.
If Trump decides to deport him to Antarctica and cite my preceding sentence as justification, that makes Trump an idiot. It doesn't make me responsible for legitimizing his actions.
Like, I think Paul Ryan is a pretty shitty human being who should go far away and never be heard from again.
If Trump decides to deport him to Antarctica and cite my preceding sentence as justification, that makes Trump an idiot. It doesn't make me responsible for legitimizing his actions.
The NY FBI office was a leaking sieve now commonly given the nickname 'Trumpland', and Guilliani gloated on national TV that he knew about the leaks beforehand. If you believe that it would have been better for Comey to keep silent, then you're essentially arguing that it would have been better for the story to leak then for Comey to announce it in a controlled manner.
To further blame Comey you then have to blatantly ignore Chaffetz's leak of what was, at the time, a private letter to the intel committee and then further ignore that both Chaffetz and Paul Ryan blatantly lied about the contents of Comey's letter in breaking the story.
PeakPointMatrix
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Puppets often hold that pose.
Aaronology
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There is no need to capitalize for emphasis, Hitman. Just use bold, italics, underline or any combination of the three.
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That fuzzy warm feeling you get when you don't have to say a thing because someone else just did, sparing you the effort.
+1, iammeiam.
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That fuzzy warm feeling you get when you don't have to say a thing because someone else just did, sparing you the effort.
+1, iammeiam.
Some supporters can turn. Especially in the face of corruption and treason. I've seen it happen by actually interacting with Trump supporters. But this slim possibility is harder if Liberals are supporting Trump's bullshit talking points.
You should make a thread about it.
A Link to the Past
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Recently, a poll was conducted that showed that 96% of Trump supporters would still vote for him.
I question the logic that a press conference from a couple of republican stooges that had already been screaming into the wind for the past year about the same stuff would have had a more harmful effect than the head of the FBI, a man praised for his supposed impartiality in politics, releasing a letter to congress that got mysteriously leaked.
Because this wasn't happening already?
Did you miss the flood of bullshit Clinton conspiracy articles that flooded the internet last year? The Russian propaganda machine was in full effect last year. Stop acting like they needed a reason. When have they ever needed a reason. Remember Pizzagate? We saw countless times last year that, in absence of any sort of justification, RT/Brietbart/Republicans will literally just make shit up. We can't help that.
There is really no excuse or justification for why Comey broke standard Department of Justice protocol. I mean, when not even Loretta Lynch could justify why he did it, you know he fucked up.
Arrogant Bastard
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Yes, it would have been better. The polar shift didn't happen till the Comey letter, that is simply a fact.
This thread is quickly turning into re-litigating the election. We already have numerous threads on that, I won't participate further.
plagiarize
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That's more than enough people turning away from him. A two percent swing to Clinton and she'd have won a comfortable electoral college victory. It wouldn't have been seen as close.
NYPD Chief implying pedo related HRC emails. At a time when NYPD Cheif wasn't thought of as being a GOP stooge. And still really isn't.
Versus.
Comey writing a PRIVATE letter to Congress that was never supposed to go public.
Sure, blame Comey for being partisan and in the bed for the GOP even though he just got fired for trying to take down Trump and the GOP and NOT being at all loyal or partisan for team Trump.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Comey can be:
Partisan
Not a complete partisan hack
Against Trump
Someone who can make mistakes
Wrong on how he handled Clinton
Patriotic
Generally Principled
All of the above
The world and people are certainly not black and white. This narrative that you can't criticize both Trump and Comey is silly and meritless.
Partisan
Not a complete partisan hack
Against Trump
Someone who can make mistakes
Wrong on how he handled Clinton
Patriotic
Generally Principled
All of the above
The world and people are certainly not black and white. This narrative that you can't criticize both Trump and Comey is silly and meritless.
And if Trump-Russia wasn't supported by defensive talking points. Maybe that number is 94%. Maybe that swings the very close election.
If the NYPD chief isn't a GOP stooge why would he be characterizing stuff as vile and stomach-churning?
Why do you assume that Comey is literally too stupid to understand what will happen if he sends a letter to Chaffetz? Should somebody that confused about how humans behave be the director of the FBI?
BrutishMrFish
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So you're saying that Comey knew that one partisan hack was going to leak private information, but had absolutely no idea that another partisan hack would leak the same private information?
Even if he's not a partisan hack, that would make him an idiot.
Because of how off topic you are.
Yes he can be. But if the "Party of Reason" was actually reasonable and rational they would try to figure out WHAT HE IS rather than WHAT HE CAN BE. Looking at the evidence it's obvious he's NOT partisan. Its obvious he has 2 choices regarding the handling of the HRC emails. Either write the private letter that was never supposed to leak or let the NYPD cheif and Trump stooge hold a public press conference characterizing the emails as pedo related.
Comey made the right choice. The results sucked for HRC. The hate for Comey is unwarranted.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Plus the letter was super unclear. If it had been better written it would have not caused such a Fucking unwarranted shitstorm. It was ambiguous enough to be co opted by the right when it was a nothing burger.
Comey either knew what he was doing while feigning ignorance or is completely incompetent.
TheLostBigBoss
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I don't know what your point was or is, because blaming liberals for a talking point that doesn't exist anymore really doesn't make sense.
Am I...agreeing with Boiled Goose? Lord, these are the times....
Lets just settle something. When Comey sent that letter, he knew what he was doing. Unless he was a fucking moron, he knew what House Republicans would do with the news that the FBI was reopening the Clinton email investigation, especially since this wasn't info they were required to keep quiet (so it being a private letter doesn't matter one bit). So, again, unless Comey is a total fucking dumbass (which...), when he sent that letter he knew he was acting in a way that would greatly benefit one party over the other.
Regardless of what his intentions were, his actions WERE partisan.
That doesn't mean he's in Trump's pocket, or even that he was trying to help him. What I believe, and what a lot of people seem to believe, is that he allowed his own ego and sense of righteousness back him into a corner. Again, he wanted to be the maverick.
He just should have never opened the door to start with.
He is a GOP stooge. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I meant that publically he wasn't known to be a GOP stooge at that point in time.
Never implied anything about Comey's intelligence (I think he's actually really smart though). But Comey is a law-man. And you'd have to think that a NON POLITICIAN would assume that if he wrote a confidential letter it wouldn't be unlawfully leaked. Atleast it's a viable assumption to make. Maybe he was wrong. Does that make him guilty of being a partisan hack that aimed to take HRC out of the race? NOPE.
Okay. So let's say he doesn't open that door. Let's say he finds emails on Weiner's laptop. Emails hes SUPPOSED to be investigating for wrong doing. Let's say he just ignores his JOB and does nothing with them at all. Then NYPD comes out with a public press conference charactizing the emails as pedo related and ALSO attacks Comey for not doing his job. Now HRC is screwed AND Comey is screwed. That would have been the better result?
Fantastical
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Why did Comey recently lie about how many emails Abedin sent to Weiner?
Im talking about Comey and Trump in a Comey and Trump thread. Maybe you just don't like the subject matter?
This is the only thing that I can actually question. Without Comey actually coming out and stating why he didn't say anything during the election we can only speculate.
Reading the responses in this thread leads me to believe that people would rather hide the truth to get what they wanted, and risk the massive blowout when it eventually leaked, than being transparent about what is actually happening.
As was stated earlier, Comey sent a private letter, which was later leaked by Chaffetz. He never "went public" to cast doubt on Hillary and throw the election. The leaking of the letter, again, by Jason Chaffetz (Republican rep form Utah), did that.
I am not even sure you know what you are arguing or who you are arguing with.
X-post because why not
Because Twitter is silly you need read from bottom to top.
Because Twitter is silly you need read from bottom to top.
https://twitter.com/lrozen
What Trump Campaign Investigation are you talking about?
And, again, it should have been extremely obvious that Chaffetz would immediately do that, so it was dumb of Comey to behave like that wouldn't happen. I don't even think he says in his testimony that it wasn't his fault because he didn't know Chaffetz would make the letter public, because he knows it's a terrible defense.
Arrogant Bastard
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The fact that Trump/Russia was being investigated prior to the election, but was not discussed publicly by Comey.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Huckabee Sanders fucked up her try out this week.
Spicer back at podium tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/862850937865592832
Spicer back at podium tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/862850937865592832
He said Abedin forwarded emails to Weiner's laptop for printing. This was corrected by the FBI to say only SOME were forwarded for printing. The rest seems to have originated from Huma backing up emails on her blackberry on the laptop.
So I don't know... why would he lie about this? Or maybe he DIDN'T. And just mispoke.
Arrogant Bastard
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Why are you stanning so hard for Comey?
Well...ummm, is
If he had followed standing protocol, that at least would have somewhat insulated him from criticism. Of course, Republicans would have attacked him. But they're doing that anyway. They're Republicans.
But by breaking protocol like he did, he made the criticism (a lot of it, anyway), deserved.
Was he being pressured and given ultimatums on revealing that like he was for the HRC emails by the GOP???
Doesn't make you on topic. You're blaming liberals for bs and its nothing about comey gettingb fired.
Who cares about how right wing nut jobs who believe fake news sees things. Nothing would make them see what is really going on. You're derailing and I'll stop helping after this post.
Try re-reading.
Yeah, guys, Comey isn't a political hack, he's a spineless collaborator. Be fair!
Arrogant Bastard
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He is the FBI Director, fuck ultimatums. Lul, what are you even talking about?
WTF is going on.
Fantastical
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THE investigation. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-trump-campaign-has-been-under-investigation-since-july
No, he said hundreds to thousands of emails were forwarded from Abedin to Weiner. That is not mispeaking. That is a complete mischaracterization of what happened.
No. I'm defending Comey against Liberals who irrationally hate him and don't see or understand the full context. In light of Comey's firing, the CORRECT response by Liberals would be to defend him as he is a PATRIOT and the only one with the resources to stop Trump.
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