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Orthodox Church of the Prosperity Gospel of Supply Side Jesus
yanipheonu
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"hence per se" is such an awful choice of words.
The left base is bigger than the Republican right.
We saw this in the two elections Obama won. We see it in the utter desperation of Republicans gerrymandering the hell out of districts and going all in on almost-blatant voter suppression.
The problem with the Democrats right now, at least in my mind, is the exact opposite of what you just described. Instead of believing in the power and size of our base and fighting like hell to get every single one of them out to vote (which was the Clinton campaign strategy during the primaries and the main reason she defeated Sanders), we continue to see Trump as an opening to steal right leaning voters, and that is never going to happen in the numbers we need it to happen. It is a fools errand to devote any amount of time and/or resources to that cause. Fuck Trump. Fuck his voters. Fuck the right.
Democrats don't need to "make new voters," the numbers are on are side already, and even Republicans know it. What we need to do is fight like hell and make priority number one, two, and three doing every single fucking thing we can to make sure every left-leaning voter recognizes the stakes, gets out and votes and CAN vote.
Democrats need to operate under the assumption that every single person who voted for Trump votes for him again. In that reality, how do we win? What's the strategy? This needs to be the mindset going forward.
As good as Obama's coalition was, they still wouldn't have won anything without moderate whites in places like Scranton voting for him.
That's the problem here. Hillary got annihilated in the moderate rural areas Obama and previous Democrats had done decent in. Without those moderate whites, any actual electoral path forward is extremely tough.
That's the problem here. Hillary got annihilated in the moderate rural areas Obama and previous Democrats had done decent in. Without those moderate whites, any actual electoral path forward is extremely tough.
TheOctodad
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It's extreme baptist and evangelical. Many of the evangelicals and mainliners hate Liberty University because their extremist views make them look bad. That said, I'd say about 40% of evangelicals (and even higher if we're taking white evangelicals) would approve of Liberty University.
When you look at what areas are likely to flip D in the future- they're not those areas. That's the issue with trying to "flip them back" - history tells us that really doesn't happen. Doesn't mean those state are unwinnable, just means they're going to be getting harder and harder to win and we have to hope that the sunbelt comes online sooner rather than later.
SlipperyFishes
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Your pro-Trump agenda and avatar really doesn't add any credible positioning here. We don't take any of your thoughts critically because it's hard to see any objectivity.
Hence per se inappropriate
I see what youre saying but um, no, the president would not be arrested in front of the whole world, and obviously the investigation is still in process, when obama "handed over the keys" they wouldnt have known anything definitive yet. Also, thats not how law enforcement works. They literally exhaust every possible option to gather as much evidence as possible before filing charges because they will only get one chance to make it stick. They dont just jump the gun once theyve found evidence. In fact they are willing to wait a pretty long time. Even drug dealers get surveilled and evidence built up for as many as several years before they actually raid. But yeah we will see what happens, as of now its just an investigation into an extremely fishy situation, but certainly not as simple as youre portraying.
I see what youre saying but um, no, the president would not be arrested in front of the whole world, and obviously the investigation is still in process, when obama "handed over the keys" they wouldnt have known anything definitive yet. Also, thats not how law enforcement works. They literally exhaust every possible option to gather as much evidence as possible before filing charges because they will only get one chance to make it stick. They dont just jump the gun once theyve found evidence. In fact they are willing to wait a pretty long time. Even drug dealers get surveilled and evidence built up for as many as several years before they actually raid. But yeah we will see what happens, as of now its just an investigation into an extremely fishy situation, but certainly not as simple as youre portraying.
My take on Trump so far is this:
Hes a baby. He hasnt had any responsibilities whatsoever. And I mean that literally. Given his businesses and finances, I am getting more and more the impression that he has never managed them himself. Like his father simply put in his will that little Donnie would benefit from all Trump assets, but that the assets would be managed by the advisers.
We know by now how he reacts to misfortunes, to obstacles. Hes a spoiled brat and a father would know that. His advisers know this as well. So they simply try to keep him happy.
I want a golden apartment! Sure Donnie, whatever you want
I wanna build a new tower! Wherever you want
Investments in real estate wouldnt even be harmful, so they train him to want that the most. All his other outburst are willfully built on weak foundations, so they can be dismantled once his first, childish interest has disappeared.
All the free time that he keeps at hand, he spent on childish adventures. The NYC mob is something that could easily play as his fantasies. So it is not unimaginable that he tried to figure them out (through his advisers?) to satisfy his childhood dreams. He doesnt really know them, he doesnt really work with/for them, he simply satisfied his dreams. It was a way for the real owners of his fathers wealth to keep him happy.
Getting to the election: the advisers lost control. It was one of his outbursts. And just as before they thought he would lose interest. They also made the same mistake as Obama, the Democrats, the majority of American voters AND the world: they thought hed never win. But he did.
Now the question remains what is happening now. My guess? The fund managers, probably bound by a contract to preserve Trump seniors legacy, have left the sinking ship. The WH is in shambles because Trump jr. is left with his own poorly chosen advisers. Will he then get impeached? That depends on how strong the FBI can determine the links between him and the thugs he met and how well the fund managers were able to cut loose. Will his presidency survive? That depends on who can take control in the raging fight within the WH.
(But it's an outside, European view on what's going on)
Hes a baby. He hasnt had any responsibilities whatsoever. And I mean that literally. Given his businesses and finances, I am getting more and more the impression that he has never managed them himself. Like his father simply put in his will that little Donnie would benefit from all Trump assets, but that the assets would be managed by the advisers.
We know by now how he reacts to misfortunes, to obstacles. Hes a spoiled brat and a father would know that. His advisers know this as well. So they simply try to keep him happy.
I want a golden apartment! Sure Donnie, whatever you want
I wanna build a new tower! Wherever you want
Investments in real estate wouldnt even be harmful, so they train him to want that the most. All his other outburst are willfully built on weak foundations, so they can be dismantled once his first, childish interest has disappeared.
All the free time that he keeps at hand, he spent on childish adventures. The NYC mob is something that could easily play as his fantasies. So it is not unimaginable that he tried to figure them out (through his advisers?) to satisfy his childhood dreams. He doesnt really know them, he doesnt really work with/for them, he simply satisfied his dreams. It was a way for the real owners of his fathers wealth to keep him happy.
Getting to the election: the advisers lost control. It was one of his outbursts. And just as before they thought he would lose interest. They also made the same mistake as Obama, the Democrats, the majority of American voters AND the world: they thought hed never win. But he did.
Now the question remains what is happening now. My guess? The fund managers, probably bound by a contract to preserve Trump seniors legacy, have left the sinking ship. The WH is in shambles because Trump jr. is left with his own poorly chosen advisers. Will he then get impeached? That depends on how strong the FBI can determine the links between him and the thugs he met and how well the fund managers were able to cut loose. Will his presidency survive? That depends on who can take control in the raging fight within the WH.
(But it's an outside, European view on what's going on)
BlastProcessing
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I want you to reflect on the fact that Yates' testimony happened only 6 days ago. Think about the seismic shifts that testimony has already caused. It created absolute chaos for the WH. Comey's testimony would do an order of a magnitude more than Yates' did.
Amibguous Cad
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"Per se" is being used as a legal term of art there I think.
I think we're talking past each other again. When I think of a "new voter" I think of someone generally inclined to vote Democratic but that hasn't registered or hasn't made it out to the polls for awhile. Turnout among millennials and minorities is significantly lower than other demographics, and I think that's where a lot of the growth could come from. So I think we substantially agree that the solution is greater turnout among traditionally Democratic constituencies, we're just putting it in different words.
He doesn't have to accept a bag of emails and cash to collude. Simply knowing for example that Flynn and Page were agreeing to get russia policy advice from actual Russian spies, while getting sweetheart deals from Russian fanciers or property buyers is plenty. And that's exactly the kind of thing that is increasingly obvious by the day. Some of it even proven. Not theory. Not guesswork. Some of these items have actually occurred. We can't prove intent or purpose, but we cannot deny those components.
Obama thought Hillary had it in the bag and that the investigation would happen right after the politics and election were out of the way. Obama assumed he would not have to blow up the election. Wrongly, but reasonably. Same with Comey to a lesser extent. And more problematically, obviously.
To be honest, thinking that it isn't some version of the above is an amazing stretch of credulity. Trump continues, literally daily, to appear more and more suspicious and panicked with his own words. this is not a conspiracy theory.
Trump sold a problem property at the nadir of the property market for double its market value. At the same time there were objectively better homes in objectively more desirable locations selling for less. And Trump's own children have expressed multiple times that significant portions of their business were attracting Russian money when no other money was available. These aren't guesses. These are things that actually happened.
And these are just the things that are evident. Maybe that's everything right? But maybe it's the tip of the iceberg. We would need to see his taxes to know the bulk of it. And he has lied about the reasons he can't show them (fact) and continues to obfuscate and dissemble.
Trump's campaign only asked for one change to the GOP platform after he got the nomination. Do you remember what that change was? Clue: It was not something he ran on.
Alex_Mexico
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Why is it always these universities that the GOP leaders cater to and give speeches in? Why it's never, say, Notre Dame which is a catholic university? Why is it always the backwards and most extreme evangelical ones only?
KernelPanic
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Was this posted?
https://twitter.com/sdnynews/status/863209755409604608
Looks like some money laundering out of Russia got busted.
https://twitter.com/sdnynews/status/863209755409604608
Looks like some money laundering out of Russia got busted.
Because they're the only ones they won't be booed and protested at.
TheLaughingStock
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Given our control over the US financial system and accordingly its assets, given all the intelligence tools at our disposal...do you believe Donald Trump has access to the nuclear codes, is giving commencement speeches, is throwing out executive orders, signing legislation, and talking to foreign leaders while guilty of treasonous collusion? If he's been POTUS for nearly 4 months and that's the case then think through the implications.
Yes, yes I do.
KernelPanic
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Trump's ties to Russian organized crime are well known. There's even a real good documentary out of Netherlands that goes over it.
And you can't arrest a President.
Dat timing eh ?
I don't think you understand how investigations work. It takes a long time to build a solid case.
Though asking a Trump supporter to demonstrate actual knowledge is a big ask to begin with.
TestOfTide
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Except they HAVE budged since Election Day. Between Election Day and Inauguration Day, you have the "shy trump voters" try to internally justify their anti-Hillary votes by switching to approval of Trump and "giving him a chance".
As soon as Trump started fucking up drasticlaly AS POTUS, his approval dropped back down to negative approval, with highs in the low 40s and lows in the high 30s.
That's because you are stuck in the rational perspective of knowing that Hillary was not the demon the GOP made her out to be, but imagine how the choice looks to the 60% of voters that bought into all the antiHillary propaganda.
The problem is that you are assuming all "moderates" and "swing voters" to all be the same kinds of voters when there are many different types of those voters.
I agree that 2018 and 2020 will be about turnout, but you are underestimating how much the GOP was able to successfully make 2016 about rejecting Hillary.
Yes I'm sure most of us have thought through the implications (actually, it will be impossible to know all the implications until such a scenario actually occurs), and that's why the investigation is a big fucking deal. It's why firing Comey is a big fucking deal. It's why nominating a partisan to head the FBI is a big fucking deal. It's why Nunes going to the White House was a big fucking deal.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Who is this "we" in 'control over the financial system? Because last I checked, there is much, much (much) less oversight on that from the US than there should be. Some about deregulation, you might remember that.
Also, you literally just pulled an appeal to authority by suggesting that being in power (by accident / cheating) makes it legit. Congratulations, you just used the oldest dictator move in the book.
Btw, did you actually choose your username or was it changed by a mod?
edit: didn't really mean this to be a pile-on, but it should be pretty damn obvious to anyone that nobody is in control of anything by itself and that being in the wrong position can do the most damage to what little degree of civilization we believe ourselves to have. Yes, this man has access to the entire US's weapon arsenal and that makes him incredibly dangerous. Not to mention his actions against the EPA and climate science.
Michael Flynn was NSA for 18 days after they knew he was compromised.
Spladam
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This thread already has 1.5 million views...
This seems to now be the consensus of folks who do not normally have that consensus.
This was the biggest red flag to me, and something that seemed to be brushed over by the media at large. Everything around this was suspicious.
Phoenix RISING
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Got an honorary Ph.D. At Liberty University for giving a commencement speech.
KernelPanic
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Firing the head of the FBI because he was investigating him and his campaign should be the last straw for any sane person.
That's banana republic level stuff.
That's banana republic level stuff.
User Name Here
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Just going to go ahead and leave this here.
While Trump distracted you with Comey, Kris Kobach snuck into the White House by @SIIPCampaigns https://medium.com/siip-campaigns/w...obach-snuck-into-the-white-house-ea806deb5518
While Trump distracted you with Comey, Kris Kobach snuck into the White House by @SIIPCampaigns https://medium.com/siip-campaigns/w...obach-snuck-into-the-white-house-ea806deb5518
"But Democrats wanted him fired last year!"
Even though most of the Dems I've heard on the matter have owned their original comments while still making a logical argument against him being fired now.
GoldenEye 007
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People can focus on more than one thing at once. This wasn't lost on people and especially the ACLU.
FBI Agents Association urges POTUS to nominate former House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers as FBI director
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/863474925046296576
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/863474925046296576
yanipheonu
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I think you greatly overestimate the government's capacity to arrest and charge rich people in positions of power.
There are still people who hand a huge hand in the latest financial crisis that will never see a day of jail time.
uncelestial
Member
Yes to all of the above.
You should read history, Laughing Stock. It's hard to remove presidents.
Lord Fagan
Junior Member
Yes, of course. However without a bullet point mentioning "loyalty" to the bronze clown, I'm afraid it's just not to be.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Jesus. Listen to yourself.
The world is living through those implications right now!!!!
User Name Here
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Well i'm glad to hear that.
FBI Agents Association urges POTUS to nominate former House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers as FBI director
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/863474925046296576
Sounds far too qualified for a position in the Trump administration.
So that's gonna be a no then.FBI Agents Association urges POTUS to nominate former House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers as FBI director
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/863474925046296576
Trump will probably just give it to Hannity or something
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
He can't be arrested and you know it.
FBI Agents Association urges POTUS to nominate former House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Rogers as FBI director
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/863474925046296576
This is good. If Trump does not follow their endorsement, then it makes him look more guilty, and pisses off the IC even more.
He won't do it on the principle that he takes advice from no one
There's no law against it because in any other circumstance a president firing an FBI director to stop them from investigating the president would be such a blatantly stupid move it would lead directly to impeachment.
Unfortunately we are in an area where both branches of Congress are in collusion with him so they can save their jobs by not losing a quarter of their voting base by trying to stop a fascist.
TheOctodad
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Because evangelical/GOP culture have mixed the two in a blender. In the south religion and politics are so emeshed that they are seen as the same.
My friends at places like Princeton, Yale, Duke, etc. that do theology don't stand for that. They (and I) believe it runs directly counter to Christianity. There is a fairly large chasm between schools like Liberty or Bob Jones University and schools like you mentioned in thought and education. It's like Creation Museum vs. The Smithsonian.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
I don't want Mike Rogers in that position. He voted in favor of AHCA. I don't trust him to not rubber stamp Trump request to suspend the investigation.
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