Trump on ban: "It's working out very nicely."
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Advocatus Diaboli
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No! I don't think you should delete your post at all. I'm just trying to provide context where I can. I think the bill itself is troubling, and I think Ted Cruz is a piece of shit. We just need to have our facts straight.
Hardly nebulous. This was a real thing after the primaries. And suddenly, they're nowhere to be found. They, along with no-voters, deserve to be called out because they are part of the problem and better not make the same damn mistake again in 2018 and 2020.
Messofanego
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Also is it me or does Priebus look disgusted and angry as he hands Trump the second EO?
McMoneyman
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All according to keikaku etc.
GuitarGuruu
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Fuck off Trump.
Professor Beef
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No, let's blame them too. If they voted for Trump, then they're accountable.
Forearm Star
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Guess i'm one of the bad ones who blames this solely on the Trump supporters.
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electroshockwave
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Okay, let's say that Clinton got every Stein vote in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and that for some reason no Johnson voters went Trump.
In Michigan she wins comfortably.
In Wisconsin she wins narrowly.
Oh... Looks like she still loses Pennsylvania and Trump gets 270 electoral votes.
She has the 3rd highest popular vote count, right? So it can't have been too depressed by third party voters. I get the ire against Nader voters in 2000. If less than one per cent of them had voted Gore in Florida we wouldn't have had President Bush even with all the other fuckery that went on. But in this case? Where even a really implausible scenario wasn't enough? You can't pin this on them. The difference they made is nothing compared to the difference she could have made if she went out and campaigned there.
UpDownLeftRight
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I understand your frustration on that one. The Brexiteers weren't solely responsible for the result but rather the lies and fabrications they were peddled. It becomes much harder to be understanding though as those same people plug their ears after being told they were lied to and continue to support the very people that fed them the bullshit. It seems the two crowds are in parallel almost, with a small amount championing it then a larger selection ducking their heads and hoping it will all go away.
And yet despite this, people will still continue to defend Trump. The "give him a chance" line is something I'm frequently hearing among Trump fans here in the UK. It's remarkable how someone like Trump is your president. To be a nuclear engineer you need to meet a set of requirements for the job, yet to lead the USA in 2017 you just need to be a demagogue with a lot of money. How does that even work?
Surely you have to meet a minimum set of requirements to lead the most powerful country in the world. Trump knows fuck all about politics or diplomacy and it is glaring obvious with every move he makes. It makes me wonder how someone so reckless is able to get the keys to the White House.
Surely you have to meet a minimum set of requirements to lead the most powerful country in the world. Trump knows fuck all about politics or diplomacy and it is glaring obvious with every move he makes. It makes me wonder how someone so reckless is able to get the keys to the White House.
Fine, add in not just third party voters, but voters who abstained for the same reasons. Just. As. Bad.Okay, let's say that Clinton got every Stein vote in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and that for some reason no Johnson voters went Trump.
In Michigan she wins comfortably.
In Wisconsin she wins narrowly.
Oh... Looks like she still loses Pennsylvania and Trump gets 270 electoral votes.
She has the 3rd highest popular vote count, right? So it can't have been too depressed by third party voters. I get the ire against Nader voters in 2000. If less than one per cent of them had voted Gore in Florida we wouldn't have had President Bush even with all the other fuckery that went on. But in this case? Where even a really implausible scenario wasn't enough? You can't pin this on them. The difference they made is nothing compared to the difference she could have made if she went out and campaigned there.
Bananastand
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It warms my heart seeing so many Americans protest this horrible ban. Please continue to show you're not all like Trump and his followers because fuck that man and everything he stands for.
Forearm Star
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Let me rephrase.
I blame the people who actually went out and voted for that guy.
Doesn't matter any amount of bullshit you were fed about any opposing candidates, you voted for Trump. I blame those people.
I can hold some level of annoyance towards people who didn't go out and vote, but they still didn't get up, go out of their houses and cast a vote FOR this.
I would wager that the majority of this country are not like Trump, thankfully. We're dealing with a very vocal minority, with a vicious propaganda machine.
Thankfully I don't know anyone personally who supports this ban.
Your numbers are wrong. PA was within 45k votes. Taking Green party votes she would have won every one of those states. This is also misleading since Johnson also took votes at her expense.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Can we officially stop pretending that 'economic anxiety' was an actual reason for Trump votes and many people voted out of misogyny, racism and xenophobia?
electroshockwave
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My bad. It's what Google gave me. But do you think Johnson took more votes from Clinton than he did from Trump?
Samurai G0SU
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Trump = antichrist
Can't make this up in a liberal nightmare fanfiction
this is good
No idea but the larger problem was turnout amongst Democrats.
electroshockwave
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Hillary was 70,000 down from Obama 2012. Trump was up over 2 million from Romney. Maybe that's the bigger issue.
The Salt Life
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What I was saying is we shouldn't attack fellow members here, there is no reason to take it out on them when millions upon millions are responsible.
Already Torn
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Seeing lots of posts from friends about fellow (citizen) students who went to Canada on school trips and now can't come back. Fuck this guy.
http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban
You were saying Donny?
You were saying Donny?
He got the KKK vote out no doubt.
PA was just a 60% turnout. There are more Democrats than Republicans. It was a failing of hers and a failing of Democrats, not just the party, that they did not turnout to vote.
jack_package_200
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Look if you want to call someone out for being an obnoxious Bernie bro, call them out specifically. You're screaming at vapors here, who are you talking to? Sure, some people liked Bernie more and still do. Well they lost the primary, Hillary won, Bernie conceded and that was that, the rest was all Hillary. Now you might think, "well some of them voted for 3rd parties", ok, so maybe they did, who cares? That doesn't effect the electoral vote count anyway, it's a first past the post system you just need enough votes. And by-the-way Hillary had more total votes, so it wasn't even a vote/no vote issue, it was a regional and systematic problem of how votes are counted. So, the point of this is, your anger is completely misplaced. Instead of worrying about the roughly 75% of Americans who did not vote for Trump maybe you should be pissed at Trump, or his administration, or Trump supporters or the systematic failures that got him there in the first place and you should go actually do something if you feel compelled to. NeoGaf is an echo chamber anyway, nobody here really agrees with any of this.
BrutishMrFish
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Considering that Russ Feingold actually campaigned in Wisconsin and he still did worse than Hillary, it probably wouldn't have helped her that much.
There's enough to go around. They can all get this work. These 'folks' were extremely active in political threads before now. Racking up top 10 posts in every thread even remotely related to the election throwing dirt and whining. Now this unholy mess is all over us and those same posters are farts in the wind. Nowhere to be found.
I love this. It's going to infuriate his thin skinned ass that he can't pretend its all going "well" anymore with a court halting the ban on him.
Are you saying that "economic anxiety" was not a bullshit reason? I'm confused.
First, who are you to tell me that I need to talk to a specific person when posting? Why does it matter so much to you that I don't address someone specifically? It doesn't make my post any less true. And you're wrong that it didn't affect the electoral vote. It did. The corrected math was just posted above. And finally, do you really think I'm not pissed at Trump, his administration, or his supporters? Why do you think these feelings have to be mutually exclusive? The blame goes everywhere. I've given Trump and his supporters plenty of blame. It doesn't exclude the third party voters and non-voters who supposedly care about our gradually eroding civil liberties but threw it with a protest vote/non-vote.
Shpeshal Nick
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Not gonna lie, I underestimated Trump.
Honestly I admit I didn't believe he'd go through with this and the wall.
Is this ban on Muslims? Or on specific countries that have large Muslim populations? Or something else entirely?
Honestly I admit I didn't believe he'd go through with this and the wall.
Is this ban on Muslims? Or on specific countries that have large Muslim populations? Or something else entirely?
Maximus P
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I was a actually thinking about this just yesterday. Trump getting into power like he did was a wake up call. New rules need putting in place now where any candidate would at least need known education or experience in political and economical subjects.
It was actually after watching the movie 'Eddie the Eagle' that made me think about it. After Eddie got into the Olympics they changed the rules so something like that couldn't happen again.
There's not much to underestimate. If Trump got into office and dialed back his rhetoric and didn't go through with these actions it would be a genuine surprise. The fact that he's going about it with the same amount ignorance he's always shown is to be expected. It's largely the reason why these will fail when held up against the court.
Blaming voters or non-voters is stupid. Clinton is responsible for her defeat. Obama's administration too.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Back during November I admit I Was here trying to calm some down by claiming that I didn't think he'd go through with most of his stuff. I assumed most of it was bullshit he was spouting to get the rednecks and racists on board to help win the election.
I didn't think he was actually serious.
I'm sorry you thought that way. I wish you hadn't. Trump was never and is never complex. He is exactly what he shows himself to be.
I always thought the people held the power in this country, and it was up to them to use it wisely and make good decisions.
When you let 25% of the population decide something for everyone else because you think you're some kind of display of moral justice, yes it makes me think that non-voters have at least SOME fault.
Morrigan Stark
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Do you understand how democracy works?
You know there's a reason why only adults can vote, right? Because it's a fucking responsibility
TheLaughingStock
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The only folks who should be hiding their heads in shame are the 16 million+ voters who helped nominate Hillary Clinton during the 2016 Democratic primary. A mistake in judgement that will have ramifications for years to come. Hopefully, they stay home and out of sight like the candidate who lost to Barack Obama and Donald Trump.
I think it ended once he started rolling out his secretary choices.
BronzeWolf
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Stop this.
Clinton is not going to be POTUS.
It's Trump's administration now. That is the one that has to be fucking eliminated.
Actually, American voters are responsible for her defeat. Presidential candidates aren't the only individuals in a democracy with political agency. Voters ultimately cast the ballots and decide. The decision is on them.
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