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Trump pressures Democrats on Obamacare to get border wall deal
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Carpe Libertatem
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They will. Trump (apparently) already offered 1:1 money for Obamacare in exchange for money for the wall and Chuck Schumer said that that's a nonstarter. Democrats, as the minority party, have nothing to lose by not going along with Trump. They know that's what their base wants, too.
If the government shuts down, Republicans will be the ones receiving the blame since they have full control of government.
To be honest, Trump is probably going to have problems just getting the GOP on board! The wall is gonna cost a lot of money and the Freedom Caucus et al are gonna want to see spending cuts to offset it. But those spending cuts - depending on what they are - could turn off moderates who are scared about losing their seat after the recent KS-04 and GA-06 elections.
Real talk.
Walter White Walker
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Trump is such a shit negotiator it's amazing he ever got even a dollhouse built.
I wonder how many people in here whining "and obviously the Democrats will cave" have actually listened to ANYTHING the Democrats have said on this subject recently. Or contacted their Democratic representative if they think they might fall for this. Or gotten involved in politics in anyway to strengthen the backbone of the Democratic party they think is so weak. Or paid attention to politics before the 2016 election.
Or even voted.
Or just read quotes in the OP and the article.
Posting before reading is more important tho.
Electric Eye
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Exactly. The democrats aren't even looking to reach out to Trump on anything let alone bargain a hostage situation with a chronic liar. Democrats are already in 2018 mode.
"Lost Tremendously" = won popular vote by 3million, lost electoral college because of less than 1% vote (<100,000) in three states. Stop embarrassimg yourself with your dejected armchair punditry.
The perception in their bubble is more important than reality, apparently.
TheContact
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I thought Mexico was paying for it. Whatever happened to that Trump HUH
1. I'm a Republican
2. Democrats are too focused on purity and principles to stop Republicans from destroying the country.
3. I was born into the world paying to politics. Your point makes sense to Republicans and racists that woke up on January 20, 2009 and realized Barack Obama became President and an entire political world exists.
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Dems are going to cave but they shouldn't cave at all. Obstruct, obstruct, and obstruct some damn more. Republicans have control of both house and senate with a filibuster proof majority in the house. They can pass anything they want at this point so go for broke and fuck over everybody. Let's see how those Trump 2020 rallies happening across the country look in a year after taxes have gone up thanks to this border wall and Medicaid has been cut under entitlement reform. Can someone add a petty tag for me, please?
old manatee
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Shadow Puppetry
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Is this for real?
/checks Twitter
Holy moly, he won't shut up about it. Man, I feel bad for him that his parents never hugged him.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I don't know why some people are convinced that Dems would fall for such a blatant work when they just ignored the threat of a filibuster nuke over Gorsuch.
StrongArmSteady
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Lmao, the disconnect is staggering
The news is FAKE, well except this one time y'all because they are saying something positive about me. Otherwise, FAKE, LIES, don't believe.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Stockholm syndrome
but not unusual for garbage Republicans
NoFaceNico
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This so much.
The fact that they pulled their healthcare repeal & replacement bill just before it was going to go to a vote told me everything about how much of a pussy these guys are.
Arimox, who is in the white house?
Is this a joke? The use of "tremendously" is what's at issue.
RPGCrazied
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Lmao, wasn't it he not long ago saying the election was over? He keeps bringing it up. He has dementia. He has to.
Both candidates knew what they had to do win. I think the electoral college is an
anachronist at best and a terrible way to pick the presidency. But she knew what she had to do to win.
Anyway, that's besides the point of the thread. Clinton isn't in politics anymore, the Dems need to find new leaders that can do something for them now.
The point is she BARELY lost, and this is important because it kills the garbage narrative that there is something fundamentally wrong with the Democratic party by Fisher Price pundits.
This is important so we can form sensible strategies, and not worship at the altar of incompetent populists.
The use of that word was a fundamental part of the argument being addressed. You responded with nonsense. Don't go contorting yourself to avoid that.
Trump:304
Clinton:227.
I agree that's not Tremendous, but that's still a lost.
Also, I responded to Arimox's post. Because Clinton was sold as the experienced candidate with the judge advantage. Almost nobody expected Clinton to lose. When 538 only put Clinton's advantage as only in the 70s%, Nate Silver and his site was attacked for it.
Again, she lost and trying to argue it was a close loss or a "tremendous" los is besides the point. No democratic candidate is going to run like Clinton did, because history has shown it was a losing proposition.
Then what's your point?
Arguing whether or not it was a close loss or a huge loss is important because it would signify whether the Democratic Party is becoming the British Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party.
In this case, Clinton lost the electoral collage by around 100,000 votes. That's the margin of Trump's victory. Yes, Trump won. No, it isn't a significant victory at all.
Arguing whether or not it was a close loss or a huge loss is important because it would signify whether the Democratic Party is becoming the British Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party.
In this case, Clinton lost the electoral collage by around 100,000 votes. That's the margin of Trump's victory. Yes, Trump won. No, it isn't a significant victory at all.
I don't know, arguing about the 2016 race is dumb when that's what we're dealing with.
It's not besides the point when people are using the bullshit narrative she lost by a lot to support their arguments. The fact you post the electoral numbers suggests you also have no idea what the argument is.
It was close as hell and that's important if you actually give a shit about understanding what happened. If you or others are more interested in using whatever interpretation pushes the narrative you like better, facts and context are "beside the point."
There's a scary lack of regard for reality in this post. Scalia didn't die till after the Republicans had control of the senate.
this is the second person i've seen who has used the staggeringly stupid argument of "dem's didn't use the filibuster to get their SC nominee in, they are useless"
Its amusing if they never voted, its scary because they vote off of these idiotic opinions
It wasn't close as hell! She was supposed to win handily, even with all the shit that happened in October. Urgh, I don't even know why we're arguing about this in this thread.
He voted for Bernie Sanders
as a write in candidate.
Makes incomprehensibly stupid arguments on a regular basis.
Dubbedinenglish
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Yeah, that is weird. Was on TYT or something?
Lightning_Roller
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Dems better not back down. And fuck that orange piece of shut Trump.
Lmao, wasn't it he not long ago saying the election was over? He keeps bringing it up. He has dementia. He has to.
For fuck's sake... This man makes every part of my existence hurt. He's throwing shade at the Electoral Collage (in an off-topic manner once again, of course), and that's the main reason he won the election. He literally understands no topic greater than that of an elementary school student. That or he just parrots whatever he hears while dawdling around his gaggle.
old manatee
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Did you even read what he responded with? It was decided by a tiny, tiny number of votes. It absolutely was close as hell. What does how much she was supposed to win by have to do with whether or not it was close?
He will forever be stuck in November 2016.
heavy liquid
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Trump lost the popular vote and won the election.
According to himself the "electoral college is a disaster for democracy" and we should have a revolution.
According to himself the "electoral college is a disaster for democracy" and we should have a revolution.
neurosisxeno
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The Electoral College is a disaster for Democracy
when black people win it
ArkhamFantasy
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Yeah, its such a disaster for democracy and the republican party that he wont touch it because he needs it to win in 2020, and the republicans would shut that shit down even if he wanted to.
Nemesis121
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Trump should get his supporters to build the wall. they all gullible. should be easy...
MagnaderAlpha
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Build it with them stuck in it. Would fix a lot of problems. C'mon chest-thumpin Muricans, show your patriotic duty... BE THE WALL... don't worry about food or going to the restroom, Trump and other Republican politicians will come up with something to help you guys out.
RPGCrazied
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I hope there is a draft and Trump voters get picked first. Only fair.
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