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Trump says he wants a massive military parade down Pennsylvania Avenue on July 4
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Sinfamy
Member
Literally this.
I like how people are comparing it to NK now, did they not read the OP about France?
My home country of Romania does a military parade every December.
This is not fascist, Jesus Christ, there are a million other things to worry about.
Same here in Finland. Every independence day the military throws a parade. Also on the defence forces flag day they have another parade. So 2 parades every year. They aren't that massive though. The whole thing last around 30 minutes.
Personally don't really see anything wrong with this.
Nationalistic military preening and obsession with 'military defense' are literal components of fascism.
Alx
Member
As a French I can't really blame him for the idea. 
People love those parades over here, and without them you wouldn't have much opportunity to see the army (well, maybe not at the moment with the counter-terrorist patrols everywhere, but generally speaking), while it's the major part of the country's budget.
Granted, French institutions always had deep roots with the military (see Bonaparte & De Gaulle), which may not be true for all countries. Also it may not send the right message to add some military flavor to a celebration that didn't have that originally. Maybe it would be more appropriate for another day ?
People love those parades over here, and without them you wouldn't have much opportunity to see the army (well, maybe not at the moment with the counter-terrorist patrols everywhere, but generally speaking), while it's the major part of the country's budget. Granted, French institutions always had deep roots with the military (see Bonaparte & De Gaulle), which may not be true for all countries. Also it may not send the right message to add some military flavor to a celebration that didn't have that originally. Maybe it would be more appropriate for another day ?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Then America is a fascist country already, a parade wont change that.
As a French I can't really blame him for the idea.
Granted, French institutions always had deep roots with the military (see Bonaparte & De Gaulle), which may not be true for all countries. Also it may not send the right message to add some military flavor to a celebration that didn't have that originally. Maybe it would be more appropriate for another day ?
What some of the European area posters are missing here is the United States doesn't have the military doing general every day security presence. We're historically not fans of the military being heavily present in civilian areas, which is rooted in the Third Amendment.
There's heavy contextual reasons why military parades are more accepted in countries that historically have had about five billion wars and are on Russia's doorstep, versus a country that has gone away from them for both practicality reasons, and the fact that we don't need to do it in the first place.
Um. Military doesn't really have much of a daily security presence here in Finland last I checked. They help train the police special forces and lend equipment/man power when asked by the police/some other authority (and they will be under the command of whoever requested them in that case). I think the only times I've seen military around in civil life is a) soldiers going to/from vacations b) military vehicles/personnels going to/from/during trainings (they use public roads for transport) c) when asked for assistance by some civil authority (think stuff like helping with forest fires, looking for some elderly demented person who got lost in forest or something).
And in most of those cases they don't have live ammo with them even if they have the rifle around for training purposes (ammo is hold/stored by some officer who is responsible for what is going on). Of course there is the military police with live ammo in the weapon at the gate of the military base etc.
Literally the military forces we have exists for one purpose only which is guarding the country against foreign military threats. Everything else is under some different organisation (police or border control)
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I wonder if they'll do the fascist duck walk too. Who am I kidding of course they will.
Chuckie
Member
Oh sorry, I missed that attendance was mandatory.
Royce McCutcheon
Junior Member
Maybe they'll chant Hebrew during the march."Es ist Zeit für Rache"
Belgium. It is not the biggest military, but we still send examples of all the material we have, from personnel to tanks. And we do plane flyovers.
You can drive tanks on normal roads without destroying them just fine. Just find a nice straight bit of road and offload the tanks from flatbeds on one end. Load them up in the other. Turning is the only thing that really deals any damage to road surfaces from tanks as tanks turn by breaking the inner side which can cause some slipping. You don't need to drive 100 tanks through just a couple per model to showcase the very cool hardware your tax dollars paid for.
(the actual pressure per square inch to road surfaces is less then normal cars as the tracks have a massive surface area compared to wheels)
I mean I've heard you Americans have flyovers by the airforce for sport events. This literally isn't any different. Just having all branches of the military join in.
For example a clip from the independence day parade when it was in my city of Jyväskylä back in 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16dhVe7IHi4 (please excuse the swastika at ~1:15. the air force used it before the nazi party even existed and are stubborn to want to change it. They stopped using it for everything else except the airforce general staff flag a long time ago). Basically you get a ~30 guys from each branch to march through, a couple examples of each vehicle model and a flyover and be done with it. (point being you can do a military parade in styles other then full on north korea)
thepenguin55
Member
WOW. It's been so long since I've seen that movie that I totally forgot about hyenas goose stepping.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Man, J.J. really let himself go.
thepenguin55
Member
We have a parade every year in Lithuania too, it's pretty cool to watch!
That was the first time that I saw that and it was amazing,
Yep, he has said this before. It appeals to his massive need to overcompensate for his tiny hands
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RipperGrim
Member
Sounding like a real dictator there. What's up with them and military parades?
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
Not happening president Trussia.
Trump is trying to model his presidency after facists and Dictatorships; he earnestly looks up to Putin, Kim and nazi party.
Trump is trying to model his presidency after facists and Dictatorships; he earnestly looks up to Putin, Kim and nazi party.
KernelPanic
Member
Those countries don't have a "leader" like Trump. Its fascism.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I don't see a problem with this. For July 4th, it makes a lot of sense as well. I wouldn't be surprised though if it still didn't happen. It's September and a little under 10 months away already, plenty of time to forget.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Bring it on ..any opportunity to honor our troops is welcome by me
Finky Spunky
Banned
I don't care just as long as they play War by Edwin Starr like they did in "Small Soldiers"
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Well I guess that depends on an attendees' intention but probably both
These parades have usually been a way to demonstrate military power. How do you possibly demonstrate the military power of the U.S. in a parade? Have it take 12 hours? Show pictures of aircraft carriers? Just have him go visit the U.S.S Gerald Ford and have a photo op (edit: i forgot this already happened).
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