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[Pie and Beans]

At some point America is going to have to start from scratch with this whole government and law thing after it's been revealed the current setup is as real world functional as monopoly money.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Explain to me what these two things have to do with each other.

Should we ban them from driving a car too?

You have to go through lessons and a test to prove you can drive safely before being legally allowed to drive. Not really a good comparison.

 

[Reeks]

uhm, I don't know but people actually going on shooting sprees do not seem "mentally stable" to me...at all

Episodes if mentally instability may not equate to mental illness. Plenty of people without mental illness kill.

 

[Ray Wonder]

You have to go through lessons and a test to prove you can drive safely before being legally allowed to drive. Not really a good comparison.

But they're not banned from the test, right?

This bill bans these people without an individual mental evaluation test.

 

[HardRojo]

If I were the President of the US I'd ban guns for everyone and recall them all to destroy them, I'd most likely be impeached the next day though lol.

 

[Gravy Boat]

But they're not banned from the test, right?

This bill bans these people without an individual mental evaluation test.

Sure, people should still be allowed to be tested. I couldn't suggest what such a test would look like though.

 

[kinoki]

Perhaps it's because I'm not a US citizen but I have a hard time understanding why any citizen should be allowed to own a firearm unless strictly for hunting.

 

[Nokagi]

Fuck it just make guns mandatory for everyone. Soon as you hit 18 you get a gun and are required to carry it with you at all times. Stop fucking around and let's go completely nuts.

 

[plagiarize]

You have to go through lessons and a test to prove you can drive safely before being legally allowed to drive. Not really a good comparison.

Driving isn't a constitutionally protect right.

Look, I am pro gun-control. I live in MA and what we have at the state level should in my honest opinion be the federal standards. You have to take lessons. You have to show proficiency on a range. You have to get a background check. Lots of other things I am very much in favor of.

What I'm not in favor of, is setting a precedent that lets the government make it harder for one group to acquire a gun without any evidence backing it up. What's next? Immigrants? Muslims?

Do you see?

 

[zeemumu]

why tho

To back that "This person went on a shooting spree because they're mentally ill so it's not a hate crime or terrorism" argument, I suppose.

 

[Zalusithix]

As somebody that works near a state psychiatric center, I'm thankful that I live in a state that has its own laws barring gun ownership of the mentally ill. I don't think I'll ever appreciated states rights as much as I do in the Trump era.

Put the politicians responsible for legislation like this in a room with these newly approved gun owners for a week and we'll see how many approve of this idea after. Assuming anybody is still alive.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Driving isn't a constitutionally protect right.

Look, I am pro gun-control. I live in MA and what we have at the state level should in my honest opinion be the federal standards. You have to take lessons. You have to show proficiency on a range. You have to get a background check. Lots of other things I am very much in favor of.

What I'm not in favor of, is setting a precedent that lets the government make it harder for one group to acquire a gun without any evidence backing it up. What's next? Immigrants? Muslims?

Do you see?

I've adjusted my stance in a later post, but I don't buy into the 'constitutional right' argument.

 

[iamaustrian]

Episodes if mentally instability may not equate to mental illness. Plenty of people without mental illness kill.

ok fine but it takes at least some serious mental problem (or whatever) to actually snap so bad that you kill someone.
a mentally instable person is prone to snap more easily. hence the word "instable"

Look at the worst (10+) killers in the past; both serial killers or mass murderers.
Most of them were mentally (very) ill but not necessarily diagnosed before the killings.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Wasn't there a thread on this same bill recently?

 

[Dehnus]

Republicans love guns.

For many gun collecting is thier number one hobby.

Wrong! The Republicans love the Gun Industry . And the Gun Industry in turn makes sure that the NRA and their followers vote republican.

 

[Zalusithix]

Wasn't there a thread on this same bill recently?

Yeah, but now it's officially horrible instead of just potentially.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Wasn't there a thread on this same bill recently?

I think two others actually, and they're all filled with harsh insensitivity towards mentally ill people.

 

[CyclopsRock]

At least Trump can finally own a gun.

I get the awful feeling the second this goes through successful suicide rates will go up.

I guess John Hinckley Jr. can get a gun again now?

Trump just wants to be able to buy a gun for himself.

I expected a lot more "isolated incidents."

The regulation they're repealing wasn't even mandatory when it was repealed.

 

[appaws]

Wasn't there a thread on this same bill recently?

Yeah, there was. And people have the exact same knee-jerk reactions which come from not looking very deep into it.

This is a due process issue, not a gun issue.

Go read up on why the ACLU and all the major disability advocacy organizations joined the NRA in supporting this action.

 

[Havoc2049]

Perhaps it's because I'm not a US citizen but I have a hard time understanding why any citizen should be allowed to own a firearm unless strictly for hunting.

From Wikipedia:
British attempts to seize the munitions of Massachusetts colonists in April 1775 led to the first open combat between Crown forces and Massachusetts militia, the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

 

[Akuun]

At least Trump can finally own a gun.

Maybe the Noisy Cricket was designed for his hands.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Well pretty soon I'll be living in a padded cell being given ECT every day, but at least I'll be able to buy a gun!

 

[reckless]

Well it was a bad law, there's a reason why the ACLU and disability advocate groups supported it getting repealed.

 

[BlastProcessing]

 

[Camp Freddie]

From Wikipedia:
British attempts to seize the munitions of Massachusetts colonists in April 1775 led to the first open combat between Crown forces and Massachusetts militia, the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

Dammit... We were just waiting for Hilary to take all your guns so that you'd be defenceless against our proud boys bravely reclaiming the lost colonies in the name of the Queen.

I guess we have to put the invasion on hold for another 8 years.

 

[Beelzeboss]

Yup I figured it would happen. People who shouldn't have guns get guns, it scares normal people so they get guns to protect themselves. More guns sales means more profits. Guns Guns Money Guns USA.

 

[Cptkrush]

The ban was about our country's safety, guys.


Christ...

 

[nailbombxx]

Intentionally putting people in harms way.

Absolute horse shit.

 

[Mechanized]

Guns are supposed to protect people so they can overthrow the government if need be. So why don't Americans overthrow the Government now? I mean it's only going to get worse with this shithead in power, why don't the dems forcibly eject the republicans from power using the very laws they want protected?

 

[Pomerlaw]

But guys that speech was amazing yesterday

............

 

[Saya]

What's next? Remove the age restriction?

 

[Aaron]

Republicans love guns.

For many gun collecting is thier number one hobby.

They don't love guns. They love the money gun makers give them.

 

[VincentMatts]

why tho

lol its crazy the things he does thats not necessary. Its as if he wants to be the bad guy. Either that, or hes an incredibly stupid person.

 

[Schnozberry]

As somebody that works near a state psychiatric center, I'm thankful that I live in a state that has its own laws barring gun ownership of the mentally ill. I don't think I'll ever appreciated states rights as much as I do in the Trump era.

Put the politicians responsible for legislation like this in a room with these newly approved gun owners for a week and we'll see how many approve of this idea after. Assuming anybody is still alive.

Are you under the impression that people deemed mentally defective by the courts are now able to buy firearms? That's not the case at all, even after Trump signed this bill.

 

[test_account]

Hm, yeah, i dont think this means that mentally ill people can start buying guns without any background checks.

From Wikipedia:
British attempts to seize the munitions of Massachusetts colonists in April 1775 led to the first open combat between Crown forces and Massachusetts militia, the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

Its kinda crazy to think about, that just because someone wrote down a line almost 250 years ago, that is law today simply because it was written down almost 250 years ago hehe.

 

[Havoc2049]

Dammit... We were just waiting for Hilary to take all your guns so that you'd be defenceless against our proud boys bravely reclaiming the lost colonies in the name of the Queen.

I guess we have to put the invasion on hold for another 8 years.

It's Puuutin and Russians we are worried about. ;-p

 

[Sanke__]

why tho

Gun manufacturers have lots of money and mentally ill people likely want to buy guns

 

[radios shipping overview]

Well it was a bad law, there's a reason why the ACLU and disability advocate groups supported it getting repealed.

Well, instead of a bad law, now we have no law. Cool cool cool.

 

[fritolay]

He's probably reading this news some place, and thinking wait I did what?

 

[i-Lo]

Vilify immigrants and roll back on regulations preventing mentally ill people from acquiring handguns.

I'll bet this account that incidents like the one we saw in Kansas are in-fucking-evitable.

 

[Host Samurai]

So it's going to be easier to buy a gun than it will for legal marijuana? makes sense under this garbage of an administration.

 

[YourMaster]

Its kinda crazy to think about, that just because someone wrote down a line almost 250 years ago, that is law today simply because it was written down almost 250 years ago hehe.

That's not the reason at all. It's very easy to change the law, even the constitution. The USA is a very flawed democracy, but this is still true. If the fast majority of the people where in favor of having this changed, this would change.
It is still law today, because it has massive support.

 

[SmackDaddy]

I'm learning a lot about this gun ban. The ACLU thing is interesting.

Thanks GAF for the discussion on the issue.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Makes sense because owning a gun and giving it a pet name can be very therapeutic.

 

[reckless]

Well, instead of a bad law, now we have no law. Cool cool cool.

No,we still have laws regulating mental health and gun ownership.

 

[test_account]

That's not the reason at all. It's very easy to change the law, even the constitution. The USA is a very flawed democracy, but this is still true. If the fast majority of the people where in favor of having this changed, this would change.
It is still law today, because it has massive support.

Sure, i know, maybe i was a bit unclear, but i mean that a lot of people seems to simply say "its written in the constitution" as a reason.

 

[Zalusithix]

Are you under the impression that people deemed mentally defective by the courts are now able to buy firearms? That's not the case at all, even after Trump signed this bill.

It doesn't matter in my cases due to state laws, but having seen some of the worst of what can happen to people mentally speaking, I have no tolerance. Guns are extremely dangerous things that should be respected. Unlike Republicans, I don't bother with some delusion that the Constitution is some infallible thing to (selectively) revere. While I don't believe guns should be banned, I don't believe they're something that people should have the right to. It should be a privilege, and one that's extremely easy to lose.

If you can't manage your finances, for instance, you shouldn't have a gun. You might not be violent because of that, but you're obviously cognitively lacking. Guns don't require an inherently violent individual to be dangerous. They just require somebody to make a mistake in a judgement call - a mistake that can easily end up fatal.

Make no mistake, the law wasn't perfect. The Republicans aren't going to fix the problems though. To them, fixed is no regulation.

 

[theaface]

why tho

Because Obama made some jokes at a dinner one time. That really is the only reason for any of it.

 

[Ultryx]

Does anyone have a link or synopsis of what this does specifically?

 

[hipbabboom]

Mental illness is a huge problem in this country and the only cure is a gun.

Maybe less guns and more cowbells?