Right, that's why they're a part of Clinton's policy prescription.
Trump to African Americans: "What do you have to lose?, You're living in poverty"
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Right, that's why they're a part of Clinton's policy prescription.
Mammoth Jones
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How can he after all his blunders? Shit, I shouldn't even call them blunders. It's just him being honest.
Can't sweep that up under the rug and give nice teleprompter speeches. He *could* have actually had a chance but he'd have to have started years ago in cleaning up his image.
Mammoth Jones
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I have zero faith that any of that will mean jack shit for Black people under Clinton. It's always smooth talk during election season. Democrats are great at lip service to Black people but ends up not materializing in the long run. It is what it is.
Still not gonna vote Trump in any appreciable amount. Because we do have shit to lose by enabling such blatant angry White supremacists.
When has it EVER been any different, seriously?
Voting for the candidate least likely to fuck us over IS the black voting experience in this country. We don't have, and have NEVER had, the opportunity to vote for someone who 100% speaks to us. Who makes us feel warm and fuzzy and heard. Or will even dramatically change our circumstances for the better. We vote for the candidate who is trying to hear us (at best), or is at least promising token support over the party that actually WANTS to bend us over with no lube. If we didn't get better than that with the first black president, we're not going to get it for a really long time.
The black vote is a vote for self preservation.
Mammoth Jones
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Shit, you ain't lying. I'd like to find a single flaw in what you just said. But it's 100% on the mark, lol.
I just wish we'd keep it framed like that consistently instead of some pretending Clinton is somehow gonna change the game or substantially improve shit. She's not. But it's about self-preservation like you said and that's far more likely under her administration than Trumps. It's not even anything to compare.
Black Republican
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i await the day a GOP doesnt shit on black voters, and atleast regularly speaks to them rather than at them
bob_arctor
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This is on point right here. Great post.
The Last Wizard
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Besides the fact the he's emboldened racists to be more upfront and dangerous.
This is trying?
Sis, the day that happens will be the day I won't be paying attention because I'll be too busy getting dicked down by Morris Chestnut, Idris Elba, Big Sean, Lexington Steele, Chadwick Boseman, That one Philly newsman whose name I can't remember right now, Michael B Jordan, Odell Beckham Jr., Drake AND his homies.
In short...it ain't gon ever happen, bruh.
Master Yoshi
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Sometimes I wish hell were a real place for people like Donald Trump.
Lightning_Roller
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Damn, it really does come down to that, doesn't it? It's really depressing to know that things ain't ever gonna change for us for quite some time. Just damn.
Quoting for posterity.
Real talk. This is exactly how it is.
Chinese Cartoons
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That's the brexit logic leavers had.
rick williams?
GoldenEye 007
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Completely fair.
Don Anubis
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Lol and you think any of that would be achieved by Clinton? "Criminal Justice Reform", maybe she'll throw more Black people in prison like her husband did.
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Trump is a racial opportunist, Black people arn't voting for him (sadly a lot will vote for Clinton) so he's trolling at this point.
Made that a bit more honest for you.
How is Black people voting for Clinton in any way sad? Who should they vote for then? Please explain.
gutter_trash
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needs to be repeated, Trump's outreach is for soft moderate White voters who are easily fooled by Trump's fake attempt.
The Technomancer
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A Clinton presidency will almost certainly continue the Justice Department policies of the Obama administration. Like, you know, the one just announced today stating that its unconstitutional to hold people for bail they can't afford which has contributed to nearly 2/3ds of the local jail population in the last decade
Enter the Dragon Punch
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ok but what flavour is the poison
Take cover, truth bombs!!!!!!
This is why a lot of bernie or busters frustrated me. I'm used to "compromise" as a minority here. Trump is a bigot that wants to ban muslims, and build an anti rape wall. His disdain for brown people is clear.
We can shame dems into throwing us a few bones.
Only a few. The GOP has frames us as the literal problem with their country and they want to make it white again.
No real hard decision this time around. I voted bernie in primary. But clearly the democratic party gets my vote, as I don't want to fall victim of a federal blue lives matter law that means I can't even look at police officers. Or be rounded up in a sherrif arpaio style brown hunt. You know, to test for patriots...
the vast majority of prison populations come from the state and local level which clinton would have no control over
federal policy has in fact become more progressive during the obama administration, at least as far as the executive can take it with a ridiculously obstructionist legislature
I think that it's pretty clear that Trump isn't actually trying to talk to black Americans, he's just trying to make it seem like he's doing so. The big key to Trump is that he exhibits so many racist tendencies that he's scaring off white voters who think that he's going too far. A lot of these voters don't pay too much attention to the problems that black Americans face, so it's possible (albeit unlikely) that the appearance of outreach will help Trump out.
Yeah, even if black people don't see many gains under Clinton, they stand to lose an awful lot under Trump. Clinton is a big step up over what they could be seeing from the other candidates.
Let get back to trying to compare Clinton and Trump, as if Trump hasn't said, done and surrounded himself with all manner of crazy and racism.
But Clinton, you know, she's the real problem. I can't create a coherent argument suggesting why this is the case but you know she's the real problem.
But Clinton, you know, she's the real problem. I can't create a coherent argument suggesting why this is the case but you know she's the real problem.
Imperfected
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The way Trump comprehends working class people is that it's easy to convince those who have little to gamble away what they do have in hopes of getting more.
Funny, it's almost the sort of exploitative attitude you'd expect from a casino owner/industrialized sociopath.
Don Anubis
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Racial opportunists are still racist.
I watch a lot of hate news. Ok so:
Clinton/Obama are responsible for the nation's institutionalized racism. And all the myriad of problems it creates.
They are also responsible for immigrants getting more jobs ( in non competing labor industries ) than black folks( who aren't in those industries )
Now here's the hard part. You have to ignore the decades of GOP racism and policies targeting black people, and believe that Trump and the GOP have our best interest in mind as they can overturn institutionalized racism, while being the literal party of hate, and solve problems for negros.
Ugh, I just threw up and shit my pants a little.
Don Anubis
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It's sad that there's this narrative that only the Republicans are racist, Democrats are equally worse, they're just more discreet about their ignorance and racism.
Someone said in this thread that Black people are essentially used when it comes to voting, and a lot of this is our fault too because we allow them to pander for votes. Look, some of the worst cities in America are run by Democrats.
I think voting locally is more important, and if Black people want to trust a national candidate then they need to make some sort of super PAC
No, I think the problem is that he always find something to say whether he should or not.
Don Anubis
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We'll see.
Moving those goal posts I see?
Doc Holliday
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It's amazing that just by the act of defending Trump, you sound either like:
-racist
-ignorant
-nativist
-xenophobic
-dumb
It's almost impossible to defend the GOP candidate for president without sounding like a complete asshole. I means seriously just try it. No wonder the guy is sinking so fast.
He's left no room for his supporters to spin their way out of all the shit he's said or done.
You mind listing those cities? I'm sure the governors of those states are democrats too right?
California cities and New York City must in shambles since you have Dems in governorships and as mayors.
-racist
-ignorant
-nativist
-xenophobic
-dumb
It's almost impossible to defend the GOP candidate for president without sounding like a complete asshole. I means seriously just try it. No wonder the guy is sinking so fast.
He's left no room for his supporters to spin their way out of all the shit he's said or done.
You mind listing those cities? I'm sure the governors of those states are democrats too right?
California cities and New York City must in shambles since you have Dems in governorships and as mayors.
Don Anubis
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What am I moving? Clinton is a flip-flopper. I don't believe she'll do any better than Obama, but hey it's my fault for being a little to critical on politicians.
EatinOlives
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Friendly reminder that he actively discriminated against black people in his own personal and real estate businesses. He's every bit part of the system that keeps fucking over lower income black people.
Exactly. Even when Trump is "talking" to black people, he's really only talking to white people still on the fence trying to seem reasonable. If he was going into black neighborhoods and actually talking to people and seeing how they are trying to live day to day, I could say that he made an honest attempt. He just pointed fingers at people deep from the whitest part of town. Even still, you can't honestly to expect to walk back years of shit going back decades in the space of less than 90 days. Ahmed especially not when your rallies are still tossing out people of color right here and now.
Remember, if people would stop talking about it, racism wouldn't exist.
Doc Holliday
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Oh come on! That was before he decided to run for president! He was just using the corrupt and rigged system like any real American would if they had a chance.
He knows this corrupt rigged system so well that he's the only one that can fix it!
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One bill maher quote I like, at least I think he's the one that said.
"Not all republicans are racists, but if you are racist than you're probably a republican"
Gordon Shumway
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Oh..ok.
No democrats are not equally worse. This narrative is shallow and wrong.
There is currently a republican effort to literally restrict black voting rights in north Carolina and there has always been effirts to reduce every single sevrice black people and other minorties use in govt. You need to really educate yourself on this topic and not cop out and say these parties are the same.
The Republican party is literally the party for white people. In 2012 alone 95% of all state elected Republicans were white.
The issue is that democrats fall under having to divide attention to every other demographic under the sun. It is absolutely false to ever say these parties are the same.
Haha you have to admire the strategic bet on ignoring wealthy and middle class black voters and going straight to the poor and working class because of numbers.
Like someone only buying a lottery ticket when it gets above $100 million because your chances of getting rich are BIGGER.
Like someone only buying a lottery ticket when it gets above $100 million because your chances of getting rich are BIGGER.
rokkerkory
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The birther king now asking for black votes? Amusing
Everyone here. Please raise your hand if you TRUST dems to have our backs?
What's that, oh right. No one. National candidates aren't going to be for black people. As that post you're quoting already said, this is how bad it was with a black president.
There is a current gop that wants to ban muslims from the country and are kicking minorities out of their rallies, a man that says he will cover legal fees for those that abuse at his rallies. This list could go on and on. You can't compare the institutioral problems of our nation, with the literal problems of today. We've got a rising fascist that has to be stopped.
Black people don't have a hive mind. Many are aware of policies under Obama and republicans both, that put black people under the jail. There is progress being made when you have progressives in the government vs hateful republicans. We wouldn't see gay marriage happening if it wasn't for Democrats. So no they aren't the same. Or federal government discontinuing the use of private prisons.
Democrats aren't trying to hinder the votes of brown people, or take money from the innercities, or kill food programs because of candy.
You're not really posting anything truthful when you say they are equal. They most certainly are not. They both do dirt, sure. But as a minority, you only ever get to vote for a candidate that will not make it 5000% worse for you, just 2500%. Local voting isn't going to change the historic problems our country has with race. That's going to take as long as they took to be created. Recent polls show people don't trust black people, think we're lazy, all that shit. This nation has a ways to go as far as equality. But the democratic party as it currently stands, is a lightyear closer to that than the current gop.
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