Trump to African Americans: "What do you have to lose?, You're living in poverty"

Status
Not open for further replies.
platocplx said:
No democrats are not equally worse. This narrative is shallow and wrong.

There is currently a republican effort to literally restrict black voting rights in north Carolina and there has always been effirts to reduce every single sevrice black people and other minorties use in govt. You need to really educate yourself on this topic and not cop out and say these parties are the same.

The Republican party is literally the party for white people. In 2012 alone 95% of all state elected Republicans were white.

The issue is that democrats fall under having to divide attention to every other demographic under the sun. It is absolutely false to ever say these parties are the same.
Click to expand...


The answer is simpler than that.

One of Trump's appealing points is for "telling it like it is." That partly means not being politically correct.

Just for that Democrats are better than Republicans because they care enough to not being offensive. It really annoys Republicans, (even those who hate Trump), that democrats are politically correct.
 
Dude is gonna have to compare the current form of the Dems versus over 50 years of Southern Strategy politics, up to and including Trump.

That shit better be ether for his stance to stand a chance. Facts, graphs, and sources all over.
 
Don Anubis said:
War on poverty, but im not here to see what bad policy outweighs the other.
Click to expand...

Thank you for proving my point. You know how you get people out of being poor? It's not giving them money as some may think, but it is by developing in people and communities. Not through tax breaks. When Democrats have attempted on a national scale to inves in communities and Americans, there have always been numerous pushbacks from more conservative members of the govrenment that would claim these efforts are nothing more than pork and entitlements. But when asked for alternative solutions, it ALWAYS returns to lower taxes and bootstraps. So the war on poverty has always been hamstrung by forces who don't give a shit about the disenfranchised.

I fail to see how this effort to do something is worse than actively and aggressively, targeting and removing the right to vote of Black Americans. But hey, not a big deal right?
 
Don Anubis said:
You're getting the ether too don't worry about it.
Click to expand...
0gq9gHf.gif
 
I mean, it's actually shocking that Trump can still say things that shock. Jesus. And the photo op play doh in Louisiana. Fucking hell. Is he actually trying to sabotage his campaign then, it's genuinely hard to tell if he's just a thundercunt or has a cunning plan of self destruction.


Armaros said:
You seem to have a lot of time to post, preemptive 'ether' posts rather then actually response to arguments.
Click to expand...

I'm keeping this tab open to look at the ether and graphs later.
 
I'm getting some Time Cube Redux vibes from this thread.

Also, just to go with the OP, yeah... fuck Trump. If that's supposed to be an olive branch, it's covered in dog shit and set on fire.
 
Aaronology said:
Last year, Hillary told BLM that "you don't change hearts" and I thought it was somewhat harsh at the time, but I've resigned myself to agreeing with her. There seems to be a chasm between what black people are saying and what too much of white America chooses to hear. And Trump seems to be doing everything in his power to widen that gap.
Click to expand...

If you cannot change hearts, then we are well, and truly fucked.

Anti-black violence, and brutality largely comes from one, extremely large, segment of the population.

If you cannot change their hearts, then talking literally has no purpose. Once talking stops working, the tools that you have left are less than desirable, and from there, things get out of hand rather quickly.
 
Don Anubis said:
And low-key Clinton is paying some of you niggas, i'll get at you guys later.
Click to expand...

Ok Fam, just do us a solid when you return with that straight ether. My Clinton check didn't clear yet and I looking at opportunities to get paid like you ma nigga.
 
KidGalactus said:
If you cannot change hearts, then we are well, and truly fucked.

Anti-black violence, and brutality largely comes from one, extremely large, segment of the population.

If you cannot change their hearts, then talking literally has no purpose. Once talking stops working, the tools that you have left are less than desirable, and from there, things get out of hand rather quickly.
Click to expand...

Yeah, let's look at the actual quote

You’re not going to change every heart. You’re not. But at the end of the day, we can do a whole lot to change some hearts, and change some systems, and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them.”
Click to expand...

She's right. The hope is to change enough people's feelings that we can change the systems and make it better little by little. As those systems change, the people brought up in that different environment will have a different outlook. You are never going to change Trump's supporters minds, but we can never let his rampant racism be validated.
 
KidGalactus said:
If you cannot change hearts, then we are well, and truly fucked.

Anti-black violence, and brutality largely comes from one, extremely large, segment of the population.

If you cannot change their hearts, then talking literally has no purpose. Once talking stops working, the tools that you have left are less than desirable, and from there, things get out of hand rather quickly.
Click to expand...

I think I would say that you can't change people's hearts to get them on your side to do the things you need. You have to find your way into positions of power, make the changes that need to be made, and hope that as the new normal becomes...normal, people's hearts come along
 
KidGalactus said:
If you cannot change hearts, then we are well, and truly fucked.

Anti-black violence, and brutality largely comes from one, extremely large, segment of the population.

If you cannot change their hearts, then talking literally has no purpose. Once talking stops working, the tools that you have left are less than desirable, and from there, things get out of hand rather quickly.
Click to expand...
To be fair, this is the full quote:
Clinton said:
I don’t believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You’re not going to change every heart. You’re not. But at the end of the day, we can do a whole lot to change some hearts, and change some systems, and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree with Clinton's pragmatism. The emphasis here seems to be less about attempting to win people over and more working to change the way the system operates.
 
So guys, any new developme--- oh. Oh my.

*subscribes to thread*

It's clear cut how Trump thinks, I don't see it being much of an argument. Look back at his treatment of African Americans over the years, it's a pretty straight narrative. Hiring Apprentice people to try and hide it is putting a band-aid on a crater.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Because it's a bullshit story. He was helping take things off of the truck. Some of it was playdoh, some of it was gerber baby food. It was just a truck of various supplies for people.
Click to expand...

Actually the Play-Doh part was bullshit. The focus of the article should be that he was told not to come unless he would be doing something substantial, the little time he spent there, looking for a photo op and getting the fuck outta dodge immediately. I guarantee that him/one of his cronies are going to use that trip as an example of him doing something for Louisiana (and if I return to my previous counter-arguement against Dems being "equally worse", was fucked over by a recently disposed Republican candidate for president)
 
olubode said:
Actually the Play-Doh part was bullshit. The focus of the article should be that he was told not to come unless he would be doing something substantial, the little time he spent there, looking for a photo op and getting the fuck outta dodge immediately. I guarantee that him/one of his cronies are going to use that trip as an example of him doing something for Louisiana (and if I return to my previous counter-arguement against Dems being "equally worse", was fucked over by a recently disposed Republican candidate for president)
Click to expand...

Well yeah, but all the quotes I saw and quoted were freaking out over him handing out play doh to flood victims.
 
olubode said:
Actually the Play-Doh part was bullshit. The focus of the article should be that he was told not to come unless he would be doing something substantial, the little time he spent there, looking for a photo op and getting the fuck outta dodge immediately.
Click to expand...
This and the fact that LA Governor Edwards asked the President and all of the candidates to stay out right now because them coming down with entourages and SS and media will not help atm.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Well yeah, but all the quotes I saw and quoted were freaking out over him handing out play doh to flood victims.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I wasn't trying to call you or anyone out about that. Just that if the story is true, there were some very good points in it that some of us in the thread would miss if they didn't click the article.

We good.
 
KidGalactus said:
If you cannot change hearts, then we are well, and truly fucked.

Anti-black violence, and brutality largely comes from one, extremely large, segment of the population.

If you cannot change their hearts, then talking literally has no purpose. Once talking stops working, the tools that you have left are less than desirable, and from there, things get out of hand rather quickly.
Click to expand...

It's incredibly pessimistic, it doesn't serve well for a soundbite, but it's the damn truth. This debate has been going since the slaves were freed. Since blacks were given the right to vote. Since schools were integrated. Since de facto racism was first acknowledged. Since we elected our first black president.

There is a large population of our country that will never be ok with seeing Black/brown people being treated equally no matter what. It's time for all of us to grow the fuck up and acknowledge that inconvenient truth. And if we were to wait until that group felt it in their achy breaky hearts to reward us with equality, well...we'd be waiting a long ass time.

"You don't change hearts. You change laws."
 
Not that I'm defending Trump but generally speaking African Americans aren't doing too well. Clinton's policies in the 90's has made things worse in a lot of ways.

I wouldn't vote for either if I was in the position to vote
 
trixx said:
Not that I'm defending Trump but generally speaking African Americans aren't doing too well. Clinton's policies in the 90's has made things worse in a lot of ways.

I wouldn't vote for either if I was in the position to vote
Click to expand...

I mean there really is no doubt that the Democratic party is better for minorities especially since Clinton intends to continue on Obama's policies. So you're saying, don't vote for the party that can help you at all since there is no party that can help you fully.

The Artisan said:
what does that mean?
Click to expand...

Prepare for a smackdown or along those lines. He's banned anyway.
 
trixx said:
Not that I'm defending Trump but generally speaking African Americans aren't doing too well. Clinton's policies in the 90's has made things worse in a lot of ways.

I wouldn't vote for either if I was in the position to vote
Click to expand...

What do you say, honestly, to a person that realizes that Clintons policies in the 90's, and mostly all presidential/party policies has made things worse for black people, and still votes for the party that isn't talking about building a wall to keep mexicans out, banning muslims, promoting violence and saying he will cover it, trying to deny services to minority communities whenever they possibly can (Welfare/SNAP), stop minorities from voting by closing down dmv's and changing rules specific to minorities, etc?

Do you think that black people are unaware of Clintons history/Policy or Americans policy towards black people that has been nothing beyond institutionalized racism?

When the reality this year, is choosing between the two, and that whoever wins will create permanent positions in the Supreme court, and have heavy influence on the house of representatives. Which means that the flow of anti-brown/anything/especially women -- will pass with ease.

How can you come to a conclusion that the Democratic party is as bad as the party that wants to deny the rights of the LGBT community, muslims, hispanics, Remove gay marriage Which was voted on, repeal our healthcare program, tax the wealthy less, is anti science/Climate change/brown people in general. Openly, and makes constant efforts with their legislation, as a party, to do so.

Honest response please. Why is it worth it to not vote for either, when what is at stake is a party that is targeting the lives of multiple tax paying citizens in the nation, and has a history of bigotry and division.

You have a factual basket of things from the GOP that will literally make the lives of us, and others worse. The democrats have failed programs, but the goal of these programs weren't specifically to target minorities. Where as the GOP has specific ideals that target people, and keep them from voting. How can you come to the conclusion that the Democratic party, is just as vile, so you wouldn't mind if the republicans won the supreme court/house of reps for the next 20+ years, as that will be just as bad, or equal, to the progress we've witnessed over the past few decades?

If you have a dog in the fight, how can you justify a republican win -- by a non vote for the leading nominees for president. As that is how our system works. A vote for neither of the leaders is a vote for the other leading candidate.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

So you're in the club and Ralph Fiennes slaps your gf's ass. What do you do?
NSFW  2
77
3K
Blank Space Invader replied
  • Locked
what do you think of the new banger 'Trump Gaza'?
39
2K
EviLore replied
  • Locked
I just want to thank you, Americans
1
770
Digital-Aftertaste replied
  • Poll
Do you have an electric or gas stove?
2
50
178
GulfCoastZilla replied
What subscriptions/memberships do you have?
28
1K
chromhound replied
Top Bottom