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[TAJ]

No need. Just look at Beijing.

Only a third of Americans even have passports, and among those Beijing is not exactly a hot destination.

 

[nabe_shogun]

companies will not make cars just for california or the redstates. cars are manufactured for the world wide market and immission laws are getting strict everywhere

They might if it saves money. Companies used to sell different versions of cars in California. Though I think it was mostly just limited engine options or something, but there were a few that had different emissions controls and even different engine computers as well.

 

[ZackieChan]

Anyone got some numbers on the effectiveness of these regs, or just a vague allusion to 80s Los Angeles and inaccurate analogies to Beijing?

 

[DonMigs85]

Are these people Captain Planet villains?

 

[GameAddict411]

Considering how in Europe regulations are getting more strict and also how the blue states will have their own set of regulation, I don't think this will have much of an impact, but it's still shitty nonetheless.

 

[Ac30]

Considering how in Europe regulations are getting more strict and also how the blue states will have their own set of regulation, I don't think this will have much of an impact, but it's still shitty nonetheless.

They're trying to make Cali's regulations irrelevant. They'll do the same in any other state that tries.

But state's rights and all

 

[Loxley]

Welp, I look forward to the day a Democrat president reinstates the regulations, making this whole thing ultimately pointless. But hey screw with the planet while you can, fuckers.

I think he's literally going: What did Obama do? Reverse it!

Honestly, the Republican party's entire identity these days just seems to be "the opposite of whatever democrats stand for". It's like ever since Trump took office they exist now solely to spite Obama's legacy and the democrats at every single turn.

 

[DonMigs85]

Welp, I look forward to the day a Democrat president reinstates the regulations, making this whole thing ultimately pointless. But hey screw with the planet while you can, fuckers.



Honestly, the Republican party's entire identity these days just seems to be "the opposite of whatever democrats stand for". It's like ever since Trump took office they exist now solely to spite Obama's legacy and the democrats at every single turn.

the only solution is for democrats to act like republicans

 

[Guess Who]

the only solution is for democrats to act like republicans

some of them have already been doing a great job at it, then

 

[plebator.jayus]

the only solution is for democrats to act like republicans

make democrats conservatives again!

 

[jerry113]

Under the Obama administration's vehicle fuel economy standards, American automakers were locked into nearly a decade of trying to design and build ever more sophisticated fuel-efficient vehicles, including electric and hybrid models. The nation's largest auto companies told Mr. Trump last month that they found those technical requirements too burdensome.

We're about to lose an opportunity to maintain a technological edge over other countries who will keep developing alternate energy vehicles.

 

[99Luffy]

We're about to lose an opportunity to maintain a technological edge over other countries who will keep developing alternate energy vehicles.

Does this affect Tesla?

 

[Muppet of a Man]

We're about to lose an opportunity to maintain a technological edge over other countries who will keep developing alternate energy vehicles.

Sorry. 'Muricans are too dumb and have spoken for the rest of us Americans.

 

[Nightbird]

I hope Trump, and everyone involved lives on for at least 30 more years to see the full extent of the fuckery they are producing right now.

Don't let them kick the bucket until they can see what their greedy asses did to us all

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Anyone got some numbers on the effectiveness of these regs, or just a vague allusion to 80s Los Angeles and inaccurate analogies to Beijing?

https://www.arb.ca.gov/aqd/almanac/almanac13/pdf/chap313.pdf

Airborne pollutants result in large part from human activities, and
growth generally has a negative impact on air quality. California is
fortunate in that it boasts the world's most progressive emission controls.
These controls have resulted in significant air quality improvements,
despite substantial growth.
During 1992 through 2011, statewide maximum 8-hour ozone values
decreased 38 percent. This air quality improvement occurred at the
same time the State's population increased 21 percent and the average
daily VMT increased 41 percent. Ambient annual average PM2.5
values in the non-desert areas also show improvement: a 32 percent
decrease from 1999 to 2011. While the air quality improvements
are impressive, additional emission controls will be needed to offset
future growth.

Of course we can kiss these forecasts goodbye, and say hello again to a staggering increase in hospitalizations and overnight stays for kids who suffer more frequent asthma attacks as particulate matter density in metro areas (particularly poorer neighborhoods) skyrockets over the next four years as Agent Orange dismantles the very things keeping these kids out of the ER.

 

[Alanood]

But
her
emails

are you a bot?

 

[Jombie]

Evil piece of shit, he and the rest of the GOP. Only reason to do this is just to shit on Obama's common sense environmental policies. This is what the republican party is. Fuck them and anyone that votes for them.

 

[Dishwalla]

I mean this isn't just about pollution right, these regulations also helped try and make cars more fuel efficient too right? Take away these regulations and the car companies go back to making inefficient vehicles that us consumers have to spend more money for driving. I don't see how can approve of this.

Not everyone likes to drive big wasteful trucks that cost more money to operate.

 

[DonMigs85]

I mean this isn't just about pollution right, these regulations also helped try and make cars more fuel efficient too right? Take away these regulations and the car companies go back to making inefficient vehicles that us consumers have to spend more money for driving. I don't see how can approve of this.

Not everyone likes to drive big wasteful trucks that cost more money to operate.

but they won't be able to roll coal anymore

 

[jb1234]

I mean this isn't just about pollution right, these regulations also helped try and make cars more fuel efficient too right? Take away these regulations and the car companies go back to making inefficient vehicles that us consumers have to spend more money for driving. I don't see how can approve of this.

Not everyone likes to drive big wasteful trucks that cost more money to operate.

I don't see this working out well for American car makers. Consumers will see that foreign cars have much better mileage and buy those instead.

 

[jakonovski]

I don't see this working out well for American car makers. Consumers will see that foreign cars have much better mileage and buy those instead.

That part is easy, Trump will just ban non-American cars.

 

[devilhawk]

Interesting to see that many here are picking up that there will be too many market and government forces, whether it be from consumers, states, oil prices, Europe, Asia, or the inevitable reinstatement of regulations from a Democratic president to think that a car company could successfully roll back mpgs.

I think the real argument is that there won't be the continued rate of improvement.

 

[jelly]

I don't think this will work as desired. Car manufactures will want to stay ahead of the game and not regress. Sure, it might result in crap from others and certain industries but I think push come to shove, regression won't happen to such a big degree that can't be nipped in the bud in 4 years hopefully.

 

[kinoki]

With the EU finally stepping up its game in demanding more it's hard to see why they'd make cars for two different demands. They're just negotiating and they very well know that a oil free market is the future. They're just afraid of too much change at once.

Trump is basically just spoiling the child that needs a stern No.

 

[Measley]

I mean, wtf is the point of this? Car companies are making millions of dollars in profit! Why do they NEED to produce shittier cars that make people sick?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Anyone know how strict these rules were in comparison to EU emission restrictions and how much bullshit the car companies are spewing about it being difficult to achieve?

 

[Hackworth]

Maybe climate change is a cyclical thing. Like, fuck up the planet hard enough and you land on normal again.

Yeah, after 90% of all current life dies out.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Welp, I look forward to the day a Democrat president reinstates the regulations, making this whole thing ultimately pointless. But hey screw with the planet while you can, fuckers.



Honestly, the Republican party's entire identity these days just seems to be "the opposite of whatever democrats stand for". It's like ever since Trump took office they exist now solely to spite Obama's legacy and the democrats at every single turn.

May I introduce you to Cleek's Law.

i can do it in one word: ~liberal

or, for those of you who don’t grok the boolean: today’s conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today: updated daily.

or: cowardly authoritarians pretending to be individualists.

or: the cynical leading the stupid.

or: I Got Mine

or: who said we weren’t tolerant? we tolerate racists just fine!

 

[Prototype]

" The nation’s largest auto companies told Mr. Trump last month that they found those technical requirements too burdensome. "



How is this an acceptable thing to say? Too burdensome? Really? If they can't figure it out, then someone else, another company will, and these auto companies will go out of business.

We are not suppose to hold back progress because it's too burdensome.
We are not suppose to hold back progress because those companies in power want to stay in power.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Well, fuck.

 

[Keasar]

Oh great, we're all gonna die a slow suffocating death.

People in America got a vote between the country's first female President and an Earth destroying asteroid, and decided to vote on the asteroid because of the other choice's emails.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

 

[ClosingADoor]

God damn it.

Europe, China, California, push tighter restrictions so it isn't financially interesting for these companies to produce a set of more polluting vehicles, when they can't sell them in those areas please.

 

[RickAstley]

I doubt manufacturers will stop their plans to comply with this regulation. I bet they have already invested a significant amount of money since 2012. Additionally, I would expect they would be somewhat concerned that a new president could be elected in 2020 and put the regulations back in place.

 

[beato_angelico]

this is what the "deconstruction of the administrative state" looks like

 

[Braag]

Well that's just fucking great..

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

 

[StarCreator]

God damn it.

Europe, China, California, push tighter restrictions so it isn't financially interesting for these companies to produce a set of more polluting vehicles, when they can't sell them in those areas please.

As stated in the OP, he's also trying to remove California's ability to do this.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

RIP Musk.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

It's time to bring back lead in gasoline too!

 

[Oracle Dragon]

I mean, even if you don't believe in global warming, you must take a look at places like Beijing and believe in general pollution and air quality, right? Or is that just a hoax as well?

 

[Pomerlaw]

I have a cape? Sweet, now if only I was cool enough to rock it....
Are you ready to make the REAL sacrifices needed to save the world around us?


This is what showed you those intentions of the current administration? I don't think this was the thing that clued you on to them. We all take part in this fallacy, and both the baby steps forward AND backward are doing next to nothing. It's simple, history has showed us that humans don't do anything until it's killing us. Until then, we'll ALL take part in the destruction, not just the right. Have you given up beef? Do you drive a hybrid? How about this, don't use the central air in your house, just use energy efficient window units in the rooms that you are using. That's a simple thing most people can do that nobody does, because WE ALL DON'T GIVE A SHIT IN REALITY.

This, that would be a real difference. You know what, both the left AND the right are in the pocket of big corporatoins. That's why progress is so slow. Everything that is not progress is just empty rhetoric.

People like you are worst than the climate change deniers. Just total full cynism & pessimism, with a high dose of laziness. You are ignorant if you think no one gives a shit, and no one is working on the problem. I write this from the province of Quebec were 99% of our energy is clean, and where we are about to give 8k to anyone who buys an electric car.

The Earth was never a sustainable environnment for us. We need to adapt and tackle the problems we face with science and reason - not by pretending there is nothing we can do, or that we had it easy centuries ago comparing to what we face now (have to LOL at that).

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

I don't see this working out well for American car makers. Consumers will see that foreign cars have much better mileage and buy those instead.

US car makers are going to send another letter telling him how the more fuel efficient and cheaper foreign car makers are stealing their sales

 

[Boney]

Remember when he was listening intently to climate change scientists and how ivanka was going to help keep him focused?

People, don't wait until 2018. We can't afford that luxury.

 

[Pomerlaw]

It's not like every customer is going to be happy buying the retarded & polluting cars Americans are going to build.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

It's not like every customer is going to be happy buying the retarded & polluting cars Americans are going to build.

Nah, but enough of them won't give enough of a shit to buy a hybrid/electric/less-polluting car, particularly if the polluting car is less expensive.

 

[SafeinSound]

I just don't get how anyone can get behind any of this and say, "yeah, I support this and trust our president!"

This is our planet guys. Everyone's. Not just humans. It makes me so deeply sad every time we take a step back like this. (I am doing things myself to try to make things better).

 

[KDR_11k]

That's how he'll make "clean coal" possible, just redefine what "clean" means.

I think the impact on the climate will be low compared to the impact on the immediate environment. The CO2 from cars is unavoidable (can be reduced by fuel efficiency but not eliminated without eliminating the combustion engine) but there's a lot of dirt coming out of those engines that does get filtered out. If US cars belch more sulfur, NOx and so on that will make a visible impact on US cities first and thus make people want cleaner cars again.

 

[entremet]

I feel like the GOP is just stuck in the past in everything?

Anyone get that feeling lol?

I guess they're living up to their label--conservatives.

 

[AaronB]

'Won't someone please think of the GM and Ford and Toyota billion dollar car companies. It is so hard to innovate and eats into their profit'.

There is always someone like you that will cape for the companies. $200 billion over 12 years isn't much for the entire industry. That is the point of regulating something. You force them to adapt rather than drag their feet or take their sweet ass time.

Legislation doesn't make improvements appear magically. There are trade-offs. Force the companies to meet an arbitrary standard for fuel-efficiency, and maybe now it's more prone to breakdowns and costs a fortune to repair. You may have noticed things like this with appliances.

As for forcing the companies to adapt, why settle for arbitrary marginal improvements over 8 years? My family has an Elio on preorder - 84 mpg. The only reason I haven't ordered a 2nd one for myself is that I really need seats for the kids. Solutions are possible, but government regulations tend to put them in a box, try to force one size to fit all, and impose decisions that aren't great on net.

 

[Boney]

People like you are worst than the climate change deniers. Just total full cynism & pessimism, with a high dose of laziness. You are ignorant if you think no one gives a shit, and no one is working on the problem. I write this from the province of Quebec were 99% of our energy is clean, and where we are about to give 8k to anyone who buys an electric car.

The Earth was never a sustainable environnment for us. We need to adapt and tackle the problems we face with science and reason - not by pretending there is nothing we can do, or that we had it easy centuries ago comparing to what we face now (have to LOL at that).

I hate to burst your bubble but around the world, easily adoptable habits that have very little financial impact (I'm not talking getting a new car.) are rarely followed. There's an institutional problem where states don't take radical action to create cultural shocks in the population to help push green energy. The biggest individual a person can make to lower their carbon footprint is becoming vegan.

Our society that prides itself on being rational is completely irrational towards our survival, where huge industries depredate our environment, pollute our oceans and ravage our flora and fauna for the sake of continued growth. But to suggest that Earth was never supposed to be sustainable for us is juvenile self absorption wrapped in the hypocrisy of calling the other poster a pessimist. Activists have to fight from the bottom up and challenge every single institution since world leaders and their G20 meetings mostly play lip service to environmental science.

It's true that all empires have expanded beyond their reach and end up depredating fheir environment like the Sumer, the Ottomans , the Mayans or the Roman Empire. Crippling debt and the collapse of natural resources redirects an empire's control mechanisms inwards.

Folly of Empire details the mistakes we are doomed to make.

he populations of dying empires are passive because they are lotus-eaters. There is a narcotic-like reverie among those barreling toward oblivion. They retreat into the sexual, the tawdry and the inane, retreats that are momentarily pleasurable but ensure self-destruction. They naively trust it will all work out. As a species, Margaret Atwood observes in her dystopian novel “Oryx and Crake,” “we’re doomed by hope.” And absurd promises of hope and glory are endlessly served up by the entertainment industry, the political and economic elite, the class of courtiers who pose as journalists, self-help gurus like Oprah and religious belief systems that assure followers that God will always protect them. It is collective self-delusion, a retreat into magical thinking.