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[Shadow Puppetry]

WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT

 

[PandaPandaPanda]

Steam = coal and coal = good!

That's literally a possible thinking process for him.

more like

I have no idea what the fuck it is so it must automatically be bad

*10 minute conversation later*

who knew carriers could be so complicated

/s

 

[Dishwalla]

Also he's stupid because if the Navy actually did this, it would cost a ton to remove the digital systems and replace them with old steam systems. It would likely involve changing the design of a good chunk of the ship too.

 

[Pastry]

They're already implementing these catapult systems, right? So it's not like Trump's opinion on the matter really changes anything.

 

[Kayhan]

 

[dgdas9]

Not saying this is the right decision,

but,

I was pretty worried with 'cyber-ready' nukes. Digital systems are inherently more complex than analog ones, and that complexity leads to more room for mistakes, bugs, hacks, and so on. I don't want a memory leak to trigger nuclear war...

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

why is he involved in a technical decision exactly?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

This is starting to resemble those stories in North Korea where Kim Jong-Il visits a farm and points to a random patch of grass and says "I think your corn will grow better if you plant it there" and the farmer has no choice but to move his entire farm to that patch of grass because the Glorious Leader said so.

why is he involved in a technical decision exactly?

Well he is technically the head of the military

 

[KHlover]

Ah, so they used those steam catapults up until now? Have to admit, when I opened the thread I thought it was something that was stopped being used in the early 20th century or so lol

 

[SparkleMotion]

Not saying this is the right decision,

but,

I was pretty worried with 'cyber-ready' nukes. Digital systems are inherently more complex than analog ones, and that complexity leads to more room for mistakes, bugs, hacks, and so on. I don't want a memory leak to trigger nuclear war...

 

[Akuun]

I wonder if they'll just ignore him thinking he'll forget about it.

Hell, that's the most sensible thing to do in this case.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Fucking Steam PC master race shit, as expected from Trump.
We all know only the power of the Playstation 2 can do the job.

 

[Balphon]

Starting to think Trump has a Pavlovian aversion to the word "digital."

Probably reminds him of his hands.

 

[super-famicom]

Cyberpunk Steampunk dystopia incoming

 

[itwasTuesday]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/j3gYIZe.jpg[/img]

*But on a boat.*

 

[meppi]

Wel he certainly is no Albert Einstein, that's for sure! LMFAO

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Not saying this is the right decision,

but,

I was pretty worried with 'cyber-ready' nukes. Digital systems are inherently more complex than analog ones, and that complexity leads to more room for mistakes, bugs, hacks, and so on. I don't want a memory leak to trigger nuclear war...

I...

...what??

 

[Dishwalla]

Ah, so they used those steam catapults up until now? Have to admit, when I opened the thread I thought it was something that was stopped being used in the early 20th century or so lol

The Navy still uses steam turbine propulsion in some ships, though they have been phasing out the classes of ships that use it since the 80s. It's going to take some time before no ships use it.

 

[Oersted]

That's an insult to homer, he'd at least try to learn at some point.

And his daughter has actual positive influence on him unlikely Ivanka

 

[Lord of Castamere]

You missed the entire quoted section that explains the failings of steam compared to digital upgrades.

I mean that explains some of the benefits, but not if they are worth the money it would take to implement, or if the digital side has its own flaws. In any case, it'd be nice to see a comparison to go over it in detail. There's a difference between staying relevant, and blowing money because you can, F-35s being a prime example of that.

 

[thehypocrite]

So he said cut the digital and go with steam that works. Am I missing something that everyone seems to be falling over themselves to shit on him about?

Yes. You missed basic reading.

 

[Hari Seldon]

The time to do this was before they designed everything lol. Launching planes with an electromagnet sounds great until you realize that it needs a fuck ton of additional power that it didn't need before, increasing the costs. But too late now, that was already designed into the system.

 

[Realeza]

Goddamn it, that comment screams for a Mark Hamil's Trumpster interpretation.

 

[Ri'Orius]

So he said cut the digital and go with steam that works. Am I missing something that everyone seems to be falling over themselves to shit on him about?

There are surely pros and cons to each type of catapult, and it's certainly conceivable that the steam is, on the whole, a better, more cost-effective method and Trump is making the right call.

But it's also obvious that Trump doesn't fully understand the digital system. A broken clock is only right twice a day, so my money is on Trump being wrong on this.

 

[ZSaberLink]

.... I don't think Trump even understands or would ever take the time to understand what he's talking about, yet he can kill/fund projects like this on a whim because "I like Steam" and "digital, you need Albert Einstein for that".... It may be the right call in the end, but it's not because Trump knows what the heck is going on.

 

[ahoyhoy]

There are surely pros and cons to each type of catapult, and it's certainly conceivable that the steam is, on the whole, a better, more cost-effective method and Trump is making the right call.

But it's also obvious that Trump doesn't fully understand the digital system. A broken clock is only right twice a day, so my money is on Trump being wrong on this.

Sounds more like mechanical launch systems are just taking longer than expected to get up to snuff, but that they're the inevitable future of launching systems and thus reverting back to steam would put the Navy at a huge disadvantage very soon.

Basically, trump is acting shortsighted and very immature about things beyond his comprehension.

 

[Cyan]

I don't know anything about these aircraft carrier systems. From what he says here, it sounds like Trump doesn't either.

But I doubt the Navy is actually going to do anything differently just on his say-so. If he even said this.

 

[MattKeil]

It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out.

Aren't you the guy who wants us to go to Mars? Pretty sure that'll require some things Albert Einstein had to figure out, too.

 

[andythinkpad]

How would a dumb ass like him even know what Steam is. I think he mistook it as an operating system.

 

[curls]

LMAO

 

[TCRS]

 

[KDR_11k]

Cost and schedule overruns have given the Navy carrier project a reputation for being "one of the most spectacular acquisition debacles in recent memory,”

Was there ever a military project that wasn't vastly over budget and behind schedule?

 

[Moral Panic]

I don't know anything about these aircraft carrier systems. From what he says here, it sounds like Trump doesn't either.

But I doubt the Navy is actually going to do anything differently just on his say-so. If he even said this.

Same. I quite dislike these threads, because maybe Steam is more cost efficient and throwing billions on digital for a small improvement doesn't meet a cost-benefit analysis? When you make a thread about everything trump says no matter how inconsequential it is, it diminishes the real things that are going on today which are hurting people.

 

[cr0w]

“You don’t use steam anymore for catapult?” “No sir.” I said, “Ah, how is it working?” “Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn’t have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam’s going all over the place, there’s planes thrown in the air.”

I read this in Frank Reynolds' voice. It's so perfect.

 

[wisdom0wl]

Yeah.. the navy ain't changing their system just because dipshit don is an imbecile with elementary level education.

 

[nubbe]

I support Trump's steampunk America

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Might be considered "too French" for some but I knew I should've voted Trebuchet.

 

[Insane Metal]

Not saying this is the right decision,

but,

I was pretty worried with 'cyber-ready' nukes. Digital systems are inherently more complex than analog ones, and that complexity leads to more room for mistakes, bugs, hacks, and so on. I don't want a memory leak to trigger nuclear war...

Right, Mr. President.

 

[Bolivar687]

 

[dgdas9]

Right, Mr. President.

His comments were stupid, but if he takes the same line of reasoning, and ends up avoiding nuclear war, everyone will be better off. Assuming he doesn't cause it himself.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

So he said cut the digital and go with steam that works. Am I missing something that everyone seems to be falling over themselves to shit on him about?

Here's another take:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/trump-may-have-derailed-a-crucial-part-of-americas-futu-1795121555

I asked Dr. Robert Farley, a specialist in military diffusion, maritime affairs, and national security at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky, and our resident carrier expert, if this was all nuts. And it turns out, maybe not.

“I can confirm that this is absolutely nuts,” he said. The whole idea of ripping out the launch system in the already-built Ford, and re-designing the following carriers (including the already-under construction USS Enterprise), would be “immensely expensive.”

As with any new system, its development hasn’t always been a smooth ride. It’s been beset by reliability issues over the years, and if anything, carriers need to be reliable. Without the ability to launch planes, the ship is a proverbial sitting duck.

But like most new things, the kinks will probably be worked out. The system is needed for the future, and if we turned our back on every system that was necessary but didn’t quite work out perfectly as a prototype, we’d still be living in the stone age.

We’ll update this post if we hear back from the Navy.

 

[akira28]

this goddamn donald trump is a steampunk? unsurprising, seeing his fascination with large sized, gold plated everything.

 

[TetraGenesis]

But her EMALS

Snorted loudly at my work desk.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Is this even funny? The fuck?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

The president of the united fucking states literally just said that being smart was bad.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said—and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said, “What system are you going to be—” “Sir, we’re staying with digital.” I said, “No you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.”

dolan pls

 

[shawnbuddy]

You gotta love how Obama is more of a Christian than this guy and yet he's the one who is still called a Muslim.

Trump is possibly the least Christian person ever to live. His life and personal philosophy are an affront to and assault on Christian values.

But huge Evangelical support, though.

 

[Iksenpets]

So, like, Trump visited a boat, and heard some sailor whining about their newfangled catapults, like any worker having to deal with a new system does, and then Trump decided he's now a crusader for returning to steam catapults?? Do I have the rough chronology right here?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Wow

 

[TarNaru33]

So he said cut the digital and go with steam that works. Am I missing something that everyone seems to be falling over themselves to shit on him about?

He literally said he don't like digital because it doesn't look cool, especially since the cost overruns in most public projects like this are mainly due to organization.

The digital launcher is for less maintenance, can support lighter aircraft landing/take off, and can maintain a higher sortie rate, it wasn't just put into the newest of U.S Super carriers for show.