HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I've found 50% of backers on ANY given project don't care because they don't know how things are made. Which is odd because KS is supposed to help with that.
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Truth & Trolls |OT| The Brothers Were Right
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I've found 50% of backers on ANY given project don't care because they don't know how things are made. Which is odd because KS is supposed to help with that.
foobarry81
Member
On this project that percentage is probably closer to 90%.
Anyway, about Kickstarter helping out with making production processes more transparent... I don't believe it actually does that. Granted, there are some project creators that are relatively open about what they've been doing and where their updates are actually quite informative.
But, I think in general if you look at game related Kickstarters, all you get to see "earlier than normal" is some unfinished artwork, maybe some working beta code. Nothing you don't get to see if you participate in a closed or even open beta. And ofcourse you can input your own ideas and feel more involved with the game.
However, in most cases you don't really get a whole lot of background information on how a game is actually made. Developers might tell you they're in preproduction and you can get a general idea from what that entails. But you don't really get a true understanding of what makes game development hard, where the real challenges lie. The information you're getting is still heavily cut (for understandable reasons).
Also making games is just not for everyone, just like any other profession really. So there are always going to be a good deal of people who will not understand what is going on. Especially when you're getting incomplete information.
Now, in this specific case, backers have been given either no or simply false information. But then this was never a real game project.
foobarry81
Member
Really, Roland?
Photos from the camp?
Photos from the camp?
Kickstarter backer Roland said:
Crash55118
Member
Susan said:
So seriously, it is coming. I swear upon my life...Does anyone know about Versioning?
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Diggeh
Unconfirmed Member
She should really just stop updating altogether. She could've left it at the last update with no-game-but-women-in-STEM-right-guys and never gone back.
I feel obligated to tear that comment apart piece by piece
It's been a lot longer than 2 weeks of that.
Laying the ground work for the backers to have the privilege of being a part of the team.
This makes no logical sense
No, it's not.
What a fucking asshole. Blaming the kid again. LOL.
Because you've been so open to it these past 5 months?
What's the matter, $25k not enough? Burn too much cash on that free laptop from Dell?
There we go, soliciting "input" again. AKA, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing nor do I care so you guys figure it out. I'm too busy retweeting celebrities and my entrepreneurial heroes.
Yes, "we" should. Or maybe you should do what you raised $25k to do...if you weren't a lying sociopath.
Oooh, the backers should have anticipated this and already have 'created a solution'!
Yes, it's always cool to manipulate people and have them plan your budget, design your game, etc. then take all the credit while not even fulfilling the hollow scam of a goal you still hang over the gullible backers' heads as you laugh all the way to the bank.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Does she even know what Murphy's Law is?
That's like me going into a political debate and answering a question about my opponent's ideas vs. mine with "Occum's Razor".
That's like me going into a political debate and answering a question about my opponent's ideas vs. mine with "Occum's Razor".
foobarry81
Member
Oh Ledsen, you Swedish troll! There were 5 (FIVE!) generic screenshots in the 2 minute video she posted on truthandtrolls.com!
5 screenshots, man!
FIVE! On a 2 minute video! That's 25x60x2 frames, so only 3000 frames!
How could you have missed those?
;-)
foobarry81
Member
What inm8nm2 said.
The only versioning that is going on is that of her level of disingenuousness. She's at version 8.6 right now. No tools are needed to monitor that.
I'm sorry... I believe in you Susan!!!
She's a fucking asshole.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
What the hell is going on here?
Why will nobody call out this woman?
Why will nobody call out this woman?
The gaming press flocked to support Susan blindly instead of checking the facts because at the time it felt good to them to go after those angry internet trolls.
They're too cowardly to admit they were wrong.
foobarry81
Member
So tomorrow Susan's going to be "final beta testing" Truth & Trolls for a full month now.
Let's assume she spend about 2 hours a day on average "testing" this past month, that's 60 hours. And it's a 15 minute game, so it takes just 15 mins to run through it completely.
Which means she has tested it about 240 times now!
I must say I'm very impressed with that level of commitment. Triple A studios could learn from that! Yes, looking at you, Bethesda! Hope you will go to Indiecade and learn from that panel Kenzie is in!
Edit: updated my post, because apparently the panel hasn't happened yet.
Let's assume she spend about 2 hours a day on average "testing" this past month, that's 60 hours. And it's a 15 minute game, so it takes just 15 mins to run through it completely.
Which means she has tested it about 240 times now!
I must say I'm very impressed with that level of commitment. Triple A studios could learn from that! Yes, looking at you, Bethesda! Hope you will go to Indiecade and learn from that panel Kenzie is in!
Edit: updated my post, because apparently the panel hasn't happened yet.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That panel is going to be so awkward.
When is it supposed to go down?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Fuck, was hoping this gem was finally released.
Wait, she is going to be apart of a panel? This will be glorious.
foobarry81
Member
Yeah, that lucky bastard of a Chris Avellone will be joining her. It will no doubt be an eye opener to him, and Project Eternity can only become a better game from it imo.
D
Diggeh
Unconfirmed Member
Again, SOMEONE PLEASE RECORD THAT PANEL.
PLEASE.
PLEASE.
foobarry81
Member
Truthandtrolls.com got a new look. More window dressing than ever!
Also 43yo Kenzie got cocky. (or "even more cocky" depending on your feelings towards her)
Also 43yo Kenzie got cocky. (or "even more cocky" depending on your feelings towards her)
So I'm guessing we're just supposed to tell her "You can't" through the "Contact" section on the website, ya?
Dictator93
Member
Truthandtrolls.com got a new look. More window dressing than ever!
Also 43yo Kenzie got cocky. (or "even more cocky" depending on your feelings towards her)
Another update which makes me want to burn something.
Incredible that this still brings me to a rage.
foobarry81
Member
The Kickstarter page hasn't been updated, so I assume it isn't.
Also the "Custom art" tab on the updated game site was empty earlier today, and now contains 3 ... sketches. So they probably started working on the art yesterday.
I guess they want to have the site ready for the "imminent release", which has been imminent for over a month now.
CartridgeBlower
Member
Damn that quote on the webpage, completely throwing those poor brothers under the bus AGAIN.
I can't believe a mother would use her sons like that to try and eek out a small profit. It seems so awful.
I can't believe a mother would use her sons like that to try and eek out a small profit. It seems so awful.
foobarry81
Member
I suppose. Surprisingly, Susan removed the "if you send us something nasty, we'll put you on a wall of shame and have a journalist investigate you" warning from the Contact page.
Crash55118
Member
Let optimism reign!
Indiecade is next week. Gotta release that 15 minute first episode before the panel!
Keep Up!
Indiecade is next week. Gotta release that 15 minute first episode before the panel!
Keep Up!
I only ask because the game page has this on the top: The Wait is Finally Over....
I'll gladly go ahead and tell her she didn't.Truthandtrolls.com got a new look. More window dressing than ever!
Also 43yo Kenzie got cocky. (or "even more cocky" depending on your feelings towards her)
"These people" are also the 43-year-old sociopath.
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Diggeh
Unconfirmed Member
Aw man! I want a Swag Bag! I'd give up all the Comic-Con swag I've accumulated over the years for a Truth & Trolls tote!
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
foobarry81
Member
I love the part where she says that "it's tested a bit" after a full month of "final beta testing".
These people (read: Susan) shy away so badly from putting any effort at all into any of their ventures. Crowd
Crash55118 said:
In order not to look like complete fools on the panel, they have to at least pretend that they've actually done something on the game. Which is why their backers got the promise they will get a link "soon" to beta test a 15 minute game. So Susan can tell Chris Avellone they are currently in beta, and expect to go gold soon. She can then go on to say that they have been delayed because of the self imposed stretch goal of making it an episodic game, which they think will make the story and thus the gamer's experience even more exciting.
Susan: "You know, Chris... can I say Chris? ... we wanted to make the writing epic like in an Obsidian game."
SolidSnakex
Member
What happens if she never releases this? Is there anything that Kickstarter can or will do about it?
foobarry81
Member
Kickstarter will count their profit for this project. Oh wait... they already did. ;-)
foobarry81
Member
Take a look at the My Story tab at truthandtrolls.com....
So, Susan burned $12k on shipping koozies to 372 backers? (372 is the amount of people pledging $15 or higher, so that they would receive at least a koozie.) That's $32 a person. Those are some expensive koozies.
I love how she then admits she also spent the other $12K on "technology and equipment". Probably a new iPhone and some shoes. Surely Susan needs to be able to make a few important phone calls to make this the best game ever. And she needs to represent Kenzie at Indiecade. You need classy shoes for that.
Susan Wilson said:
So, Susan burned $12k on shipping koozies to 372 backers?
(372 is the amount of people pledging $15 or higher, so that they would receive at least a koozie.) That's $32 a person. Those are some expensive koozies. I love how she then admits she also spent the other $12K on "technology and equipment". Probably a new iPhone and some shoes. Surely Susan needs to be able to make a few important phone calls to make this the best game ever. And she needs to represent Kenzie at Indiecade. You need classy shoes for that.
10101
Gold Member
Lol, for an entrepreneur she's crap with figures. Sorry lets try that again, for an entrepreneur she's crap at fudging figures. Honestly between this and her original budget halfway through the KS, there are some dumb mother fuckers out there - she's not even trying!Take a look at the My Story tab truthandtrolls.com....
So, Susan burned $12k on shipping koozies to 372 backers?
I love how she then admits she also spent the other $12K on "technology and equipment". Probably a new iPhone and some shoes. Surely Susan needs to be able to make a few important phone calls to make this the best game ever. And she needs to represent Kenzie at Indiecade. You need classy shoes for that.
Still no game, I am disappoint
What am I meant to play this weekend Susan? Lmaofoobarry81
Member
Lol, for an entrepreneur she's crap with figures. Sorry lets try that again, for an entrepreneur she's crap at fudging figures. Honestly between this and her original budget halfway through the KS, there are some dumb mother fuckers out there - she's not even trying!
Still no game, I am disappoint
What do you mean, no game?
People are "final beta testing" as we speak!
For just $9.99 you can join in on the fun and grab that chance of a swag bag!