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Truth & Trolls |OT| The Brothers Were Right
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foobarry81
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Box of Bunnies
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So, the game is out now? Pay $9.99 and you get a link?
Source: truthandtrolls.com
"Get all chapters as released." It's just a season preorder, shit ain't out yet.
foobarry81
Member
GunslingerVit
Banned
I'll watch a long play on Twitch.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
But it says you'll immediately receive a link to your DRM free download!
You'll receive a link alright, it'll just take you to a page that says "here is where you'll find all your downloads as they become available. Please look forward to Truth & Trolls Episode 1, coming
foobarry81
Member
Personally I'm more looking forward to the first speedruns popping up.
A speedrun of a 15 minute game would only take 1 or 2 minutes of my life, right?
foobarry81
Member
Another "release date" missed...
So far Kenzie's not having a panic attack.... yet. But we're slowly evolving towards the 'nervous breakdown scenario'... that Franzia wine she loves so much will be extremely welcome now to prevent her from jumping off a bridge.
Also Susan wants you to encourage her on her fake Kenzie account.
So far Kenzie's not having a panic attack.... yet. But we're slowly evolving towards the 'nervous breakdown scenario'... that Franzia wine she loves so much will be extremely welcome now to prevent her from jumping off a bridge.
Also Susan wants you to encourage her on her fake Kenzie account.
Susan Wilson said:
foobarry81
Member
I think she already demonstrated that generously by handling a term like DRM (and DRM free) so elegantly. ;-)
Well, it would be out but Kenzie's anxious about it and that those mean old trolls will say nasty things. I'm guessing her anxiety will drag on until some one posts anything negative on KS so Susan can jump in with "see, it's done! She's only 9!! Mean troll." And then JCS will post a wall of text about good in the universe, unicorns and stalking.
Also like the prefacing to set expectations low. In all honesty, a short, nonsensical game will be more convincing that she had anything at all to do with it, vs the final product being written to not very convincingly sound 9 years old...@gamerceo. A perfect example is ponycorn. That is what a child directed game looks like.
Also like the prefacing to set expectations low. In all honesty, a short, nonsensical game will be more convincing that she had anything at all to do with it, vs the final product being written to not very convincingly sound 9 years old...@gamerceo. A perfect example is ponycorn. That is what a child directed game looks like.
foobarry81
Member
Surely, this is never going to be a 9 year old's game. The whole story, even the title is just Susan trolling. And now the subtitle: Broken Promises. Really? After you just failed to deliver on the promised release date? She's just mocking the backers. ;-) Also a 9 year old would never come up with diseases called Bieber Fever and One Direction illness or whatever it was. A 9 year old would make heroes of his/her idols in his/her game, not diseases.
A 9 year old would also never come up with an episodical release.
And a mother who cared AT ALL about her daughter would just let her daughter work on the game as long as it takes, until it's done. And explain this to the backers, even take any heat that would come from this, allthough people would probably be really understanding.
Not Susan though, she simply said she discovered (after knowing your daughter for 9 years already, you still have to "discover" this?!) that it was mentally and physically impossible for her daughter to get this job done within just a few months.
I wonder how much product placement from Susan's friends there will be in the game.
Franzia wine
shopsy.com
Dell
Kickstarter
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Crash55118
Member
Seriously? She needs reassurance from backers that they aren't expecting an Obsidian RPG?
Just pull the supportive comments from earlier in the project, this is such a joke.
Just pull the supportive comments from earlier in the project, this is such a joke.
Lol, something about manifest beauty and full human experiences.
So are you still qualified to get the game? The way Susan attacked you and rambled about cancelling your donation was silly.
GreatMightySymp
Member
So, the game is out now? Pay $9.99 and you get a link?
Source: truthandtrolls.com
Edit: my advice: DON'T BUY this game, btw.
All that image needs is Comic Sans and it'd be perfect. Why would you use those colors against black text? >.>
foobarry81
Member
It fits the rest of the in-house style, wouldn't you agree?
http://www.truthandtrolls.com/#!geek-gamer-store/c1juf
Oh yeah, I'm still getting the game, when/if its released. Hot game like this, it could possibly end up as a torrent or file share...
Because, lets be honest, I would download a car.
foobarry81
Member
The backers already got a prologue and credits video. A lot of AAA games don't even have a prologue video, so I'd say the 'contract' with the backers has been fulfilled.
And have you seen how spectacular that preview video was? It showed no less than 5 generic screenshots (and 2 of those from the same market place) and a ton of window dressing.
Yea it blew me away. If I didn't know about the kickstarter nature of the game, judging the quality I'd guess the game were made in MIT Games Lab or something.
Muku
Member
And this Susan...... is why you let your child learn on his/her own. Build their own game on their own time and without a penny (except for buying RPG Maker). Especially other folks money. Now you've put her under pressure no 9 year old should feel.
This just keeps being a trainwreck. :/
This just keeps being a trainwreck. :/
foobarry81
Member
Agreed, but a lot of parents do this. Like the ones who enroll their kids for beauty pageants and such. I think those kids can be under a lot of pressure too.
These people usually don't ask other people for money for "their daughter's project" though.
witchedwiz
Member
It's suSCAM and her SCAMzye daughter allrite..
If she's using her daughter for some media flash she's trash..
If she's just raising her daughter to be the next suSCAM they're both..
Really humanity never cease to amaze...
If she's using her daughter for some media flash she's trash..
If she's just raising her daughter to be the next suSCAM they're both..
Really humanity never cease to amaze...
polyh3dron
Banned
I am shocked that there is still no game.
She's 9!!!!!!
foobarry81
Member
[Joseph mode] This is a testament to the perfectionists that are the Wilson family. They have incredible eye for quality and the tenacity to keep going that extra mile, and would not offer the game to their backers until it's the most immersive experience out there, rivaling the greatest expressions of art mankind has ever produced. Kenzie is already the leading lady of a new wave of game directors that will shake the game industry like none have ever done before them, delivering emotions to the public they didn't even know they had..[/Joseph mode]
foobarry81
Member
It's the stupid script! They should've listened to Philip Tan!
It's all just window dressing, really. Susan wants to make it seem like they are super busy, working hard, doing something at least. That's all she's been doing ever since this project started:
- pinkiesquare.com (Hey, look! We're helping other kids now!)
-> although I just noticed they added a tab. You can now submit your game to Susan. We should submit Waqar's Quest.
- incubateHer. Hey, look! We're also empowering women! The first life changing course has passed for already a month now and still no news posted about how succesfull this first ever edition was? And the second course is starting tomorrow. I don't think anything has happened at all. Also, the names of the "winners" of the first course have been removed from the site. Two of those names were the ladies from themommygamers.com, and the course wasn't even mentioned on their blog as far as I can see. So this seems to be just another scam.
There's no reason for the website to be under construction, because she won't even share the game through that website. She already said she'd just send out Dropbox links.
But yes, they need to restore the website to its original form. People still need to know about how Kenzie's project was treated differently than that other dude's KS project. So they can donate through one of the many Donate buttons.
foobarry81
Member
Well, in her defense, the girl is only 9 (and you are not). And she has a mother incapable of managing even a non project such as this one. If Susan had any interest at all in her daughter, she would have looked before even starting this project into what making a game really is about for a 9 year old, and consequently would've never set the release date so soon. But Susan just never cared about that, and still doesn't. All she cares about is money and her own prestige.
But yes, you are right, this is a sorry display of a KS project.
foobarry81
Member
Interesting comment on KS:
I fail to see how this is a "brave thing to do" for Susan however. Brave would be when she'd first of all put her own money in there, and actually support her kids to the fullest.
Michael Newlyn Blake said:
I fail to see how this is a "brave thing to do" for Susan however. Brave would be when she'd first of all put her own money in there, and actually support her kids to the fullest.
foobarry81
Member
Susan is a master of inception. She's already planted the idea in the backers' minds that they won't see any final product. So now they rationalize with themselves that as long asPhilip Tanthe kid learned something, that's what is most important.
Well, they paid for a tutoring fee after all, even though it wasn't really for a tutoring fee, because as Susan said, she didn't want to violate the KS guidelines.
Those backers are just so meek.
Crash55118
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In response to the KS comment,
What process have the backers been involved with?
There has been almost no actual content about the production of the game, besides various comments about people giving her art and help. Maybe if any part of this whole thing felt genuine at all there wouldn't be such a backlash against it. Maybe the panel will help humanize the project, but all pretense of the 9 year old angle needs to be dropped as this is a project by Susan, and for Susan.
Not saying there needed to be 2PP quality videos, but at least something...or anything. Who knows, maybe the making of PDF will shed some light on the development. Also did I miss the release of the pen and paper RPG that was supposed to be released, or is that also non existent at this point?
What process have the backers been involved with?
There has been almost no actual content about the production of the game, besides various comments about people giving her art and help. Maybe if any part of this whole thing felt genuine at all there wouldn't be such a backlash against it. Maybe the panel will help humanize the project, but all pretense of the 9 year old angle needs to be dropped as this is a project by Susan, and for Susan.
Not saying there needed to be 2PP quality videos, but at least something...or anything. Who knows, maybe the making of PDF will shed some light on the development. Also did I miss the release of the pen and paper RPG that was supposed to be released, or is that also non existent at this point?
witchedwiz
Member
So they paid for tutoring fee that wasn't a tutoring fee..
What was it then, some pizzapepperoni saturday special?
foobarry81
Member
It was just a pretense to get into people's wallets.
In case you missed all that's happened so far, I'll summarize it for you: Susan originally asked for $829, which was the fee for an RPG camp for Kenzie. Because her brothers said she was incapable of making a game. So Susan proposed to prove the brothers wrong by asking for other people's money, which apparently proves you can make a game on an RPG Maker camp. Susan had already paid the $829 by the way, as demonstrated by a document she posted on the KS project page. Then "internet trolls" said tuition fees were not allowed by the KS guidelines, so she said it was all about making a game (that she was going to make on said camp) and more importantly empowering girls and women in STEM in general. Also she was going to buy a $2500 laptop with the money, which was also not allowed by KS guidelines. Fortunately, Dell gave them a free Alienware. So the laptop in her KS project budget wasn't really a laptop either. Anyway, before the KS project ended, Kenzie wasn't even going to that camp anymore. Instead she went for a week to MIT Game Lab, which was completely free. So the $828 that was not needed to begin with, was even less needed at this point. Anyway, that didn't discourage Susan from trying to raise more money. So Kenzie went to MIT, where she ended up not listening to Philip Tan for a whole week, and consequently missed Susan's deadline. Which made Susan vent that Kenzie was mentally and physically incapable of making this game, thereby proving the brothers were in fact right all along. Anyway, a stupid script Kenzie wanted to insert into the game last minute was also to blame for the delay. In fact this stupid last minute script caused a full month delay so far. Or maybe she just passed out for a while because of the Franzia wine (that normally prevents Susan from jumping off a bridge). She was also going to switch engines from RPG Maker to Unity, which may have delayed the project too.
You think I'm making all of this up, don't you?
Crash55118
Member
It was just a pretense to get into people's wallets.
In case you missed all that's happened so far, I'll summarize it for you: Susan originally asked for $829, which was the fee for an RPG camp for Kenzie. Because her brothers said she was incapable of making a game. So Susan proposed to prove the brothers wrong by asking for other people's money, which apparently proves you can make a game on an RPG Maker camp. Susan had already paid the $829 by the way, as demonstrated by a document she posted on the KS project page. Then "internet trolls" said tuition fees were not allowed by the KS guidelines, so she said it was all about making a game (that she was going to make on said camp) and more importantly empowering girls and women in STEM in general. Also she was going to buy a $2500 laptop with the money, which was also not allowed by KS guidelines. Fortunately, Dell gave them a free Alienware. So the laptop in her KS project budget wasn't really a laptop either. Anyway, before the KS project ended, Kenzie wasn't even going to that camp anymore. Instead she went for a week to MIT Game Lab, which was completely free. So the $828 that was not needed to begin with, was even less needed at this point. Anyway, that didn't discourage Susan from trying to raise more money. So Kenzie went to MIT, where she ended up not listening to Philip Tan for a whole week, and consequently missed Susan's deadline. Which made Susan vent that Kenzie was mentally and physically incapable of making this game, thereby proving the brothers were in fact right all along. Anyway, a stupid script Kenzie wanted to insert into the game last minute was also to blame for the delay. In fact this stupid last minute script caused a full month delay so far. Or maybe she just passed out for a while because of the Franzia wine (that normally prevents Susan from jumping off a bridge). She was also going to switch engines from RPG Maker to Unity, which may have delayed the project too.
You think I'm making all of this up, don't you?
You forgot the part about her having all the Keep Up! gear ready to ship out as soon as the Kickstarter finished meaning she more then likely had ordered all this stuff for a previous venture.
Well, I guess you have to buy the laptop in the first place...
Plus, kickstarter had a "no fund my life projects" policy until Susan came along.
But how would buying a laptop which would presumably be used in the creation of a game be a violation of a policy against funding "life projects"?
CartridgeBlower
Member
It was just a pretense to get into people's wallets.
In case you missed all that's happened so far, I'll summarize it for you: Susan originally asked for $829, which was the fee for an RPG camp for Kenzie. Because her brothers said she was incapable of making a game. So Susan proposed to prove the brothers wrong by asking for other people's money, which apparently proves you can make a game on an RPG Maker camp. Susan had already paid the $829 by the way, as demonstrated by a document she posted on the KS project page. Then "internet trolls" said tuition fees were not allowed by the KS guidelines, so she said it was all about making a game (that she was going to make on said camp) and more importantly empowering girls and women in STEM in general. Also she was going to buy a $2500 laptop with the money, which was also not allowed by KS guidelines. Fortunately, Dell gave them a free Alienware. So the laptop in her KS project budget wasn't really a laptop either. Anyway, before the KS project ended, Kenzie wasn't even going to that camp anymore. Instead she went for a week to MIT Game Lab, which was completely free. So the $828 that was not needed to begin with, was even less needed at this point. Anyway, that didn't discourage Susan from trying to raise more money. So Kenzie went to MIT, where she ended up not listening to Philip Tan for a whole week, and consequently missed Susan's deadline. Which made Susan vent that Kenzie was mentally and physically incapable of making this game, thereby proving the brothers were in fact right all along. Anyway, a stupid script Kenzie wanted to insert into the game last minute was also to blame for the delay. In fact this stupid last minute script caused a full month delay so far. Or maybe she just passed out for a while because of the Franzia wine (that normally prevents Susan from jumping off a bridge). She was also going to switch engines from RPG Maker to Unity, which may have delayed the project too.
You think I'm making all of this up, don't you?
Finally...they are vindicated.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
10 bucks for 15 min... wow
If it makes you feel any better Philip Tan was probably able to make the game in less time than it takes to play it.
From the kickstarter :
Where's the Money Going?
"I really want a new laptop but my Mom said I should start small since I've never done a crowdfunding project before. So the $829 will be used to cover the basic cost of RPG Camp...My goal is to raise $829 to cover the cost of RPG Camp. But my Mom just told me about the Veronica Mars campaign so now I'm secretly hoping to raise more. My Mom said I can put any extra toward a laptop"
Makes it clear that she just wanted a new laptop and not one to use for the creation of a game.
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