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[Kaizer]

Honestly not everyone in tumblr is into questionable stuff, like most stories that brake claim. Its mostly an image forum for people to blog about what they like and share pictures of what they enjoy. Its actually fairly similar to neogaf or pretty much any forum you have ever visited, the problem is that it got so big and so popular that its a place for all kinds of people to meet up, and that includes said questionable stuff.

When you join tumblr you can pick and choose what you want to see and who you want to follow, I'll argue its even safer than facebook in that its rare you are going to look at stuff you are not into.

Yeah, tumblr is pretty alright in my experience with it. I signed up for one back in 2014 to follow a few musicians and now follow about 700 different blogs. I mostly just reblog artsy pictures taken with "VSCO" filters, pretty chicks, music and occasionally anime.

Only downside is probably not being able to look at my tumblr feed in public because I have no idea if the next picture I'll scroll down to see is a cute puppy or some pornstar DP'd lol

 

[Jebusman]

huh damn, guess the gaf has a defense force for everything meme is real

I mean, it shouldn't be shocking. Opinions vary, wildly, from person to person. I think statistically you're going to find at least 1 person out there who will defend just about anything.

Advocating theft simply because you feel the company you are stealing from is morally reprehensible is one of those things where the logic makes sense, but only if you take it to it's logical conclusion, along with ignoring any and all laws that currently exist, which you can ALSO rationalize away with your internal logic.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

No, that's not the answer.

Why wouldn't a video game console exist in an economic system that's not capitalist?

C'mon lets not be this reductive on THE video game forum of the internet. Is PS4 just "a video game console" or even an open platform? You need capitalism if you want brand-name-console-fourth-iteration that has specs and features designed to compete against brand-name-console-third-iteration.

 

[Principate]

>4chan
>echo chamber

Go to any interest board like /co/, /v/, /a/, etc and the first thing you'll learn is that "your opinion is shit".

Even if not all boards are /b/, 4chan generally agrees that they're all assholes, so there is none of that pretention of being "the hero" rampant on tumblr.

This is true, the board is full of general self hate of itself. Basement dwellers are the assumped sterotype even within the board and those that aren't are deemed normies, it may be a cesspool, but it's in general certainly aware it's a cesspool, you'll even find general dislike from the more abhorrent boards within other boards.

 

[Einchy]

I'm arguing that the capitalist system is unjust. That's lunacy? Holy, ideology, Zizek.

Saying that this gives you the right to steal is lunacy.

 

[Nephtis]

I wonder what shoplifters would think of regular shoppers who accidentally shoplift and then go back to the store to be honest and pay for the item.

One time I walked out with a keyboard (the instrument, not the PC peripheral) when I was shopping at Target - I had other bags from stuff I bought earlier in the day and completely forgot about it as I had spent a few hours in there. Anyway,the alarm sounded and I stopped but I was told to go ahead by the lady that noticed I had the other shopping bags in the cart. By the time I got to the car I realized I didn't pay for it and walked back and explained what happened.

They were pretty surprised and grateful that I returned when I could've left with a free $300 keyboard. They thought I went back there for an exchange or to return the keyboard.

Honestly not everyone in tumblr is into questionable stuff, like most stories that brake claim. Its mostly an image forum for people to blog about what they like and share pictures of what they enjoy. Its actually fairly similar to neogaf or pretty much any forum you have ever visited, the problem is that it got so big and so popular that its a place for all kinds of people to meet up, and that includes said questionable stuff.

When you join tumblr you can pick and choose what you want to see and who you want to follow, I'll argue its even safer than facebook in that its rare you are going to look at stuff you are not into.

Yeah, seeing more posts like yours has been a pleasant surprise and a bit of an eye opener in that while it's as bad as I imagine it to be, it can certainly be avoided.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I'm a card-carrying member of the IWW, I founded a radical anti-capitalist organization while I was in college, and I advocate every day for the dismantling of capitalism and the building of communism.

I addressed this argument like six toms.

That's got literally nothing to do with communism.

I'm arguing that the capitalist system is unjust. That's lunacy? Holy, ideology, Zizek.

I've stolen candy from Wal-Mart half a dozen times over the past few years. Hardly dedicated. I'm a die hard fucking communist though.

Your argument is bollocks, you are in fact, a nonsense talking hypocrite.

 

[Arkeband]

Even Link is ashamed.

 

[jblank83]

I live in capitalism not by choice. Abstaining from it accomplishes nothing but killing myself. I want to make social change.

You're certainly changing the system by stealing candy.

 

[FallingEdge]

jackissocool how old are you

 

[smokeandmirrors]

C'mon lets not be this reductive on THE video game forum of the internet. Is PS4 "a video game console" or even an open platform? You need capitalism if you want brand name console fourth iteration that has specs and features designed to compete against brand console third iteration.

part of the ps4 os is built upon open source software so it has that going for it.

 

[E92 M3]

Your argument is bollocks, you are in fact, a nonsense talking hypocrite.

He is a hypocrite. In fact for starters, he shouldn't be using the internet or NeoGAF - all products of capitalism.

Jack - you live in some fantasy land. The only thing you will accomplish is one day getting a criminal record. Your obsession with Carl Marx won't save you.

 

[Regiruler]

Gotta say, this is the first time I've seen someone use mental gymnastics to justify being a thief.
Thanks, Gaf.

I am not surprised in the least.

 

[jackissocool]

You're certainly changing the system by stealing candy.

I said like five times that shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism. It was literally the first thing I said.

 

[AlexMogil]

Wow, looking through that Reddit shoplifting sub is really incredible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shoplifting/

Gets you:

http://thesubtimes.com/2016/03/02/retail-theft-fencing-operation-busted/

Which leads you to:

http://goo.gl/2cTaoX

Look at the completely random assortment of new items they were selling!

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Yeah, tumblr is pretty alright in my experience with it. I signed up for one back in 2014 to follow a few musicians and now follow about 700 different blogs. I mostly just reblog artsy pictures taken with "VSCO" filters, pretty chicks, music and occasionally anime.

Only downside is probably not being able to look at my tumblr feed in public because I have no idea if the next picture I'll scroll down to see is a cute puppy or some pornstar DP'd lol

Does tumblr not have a separate feed for blogs you want to follow in private?

 

[starchild excalibur]

There's nothing more annoying than a shoplifter that tries to defend it than by saying "It's a massive company. Who cares?" or by railing against the means of production. If you're opposed to Wal-Mart, then find a way to mitigate the things that you do that you find so objectionable.

If you're going to shoplift from them, just be honest and say that you do it because you fucking can. Bringing in the "tens of thousands" of 3rd world people affected by them is a moronic deflection unless you're donating the stuff you're stealing to some of those people or something.

 

[Baleoce]

probably my favourite use of this gif

 

[Syriel]

that's literally not how any of that works but ok.

That's got literally nothing to do with communism.

Actually it does. Under pure communism there is no money. Everyone works for the betterment of society. No one demands payment for their work.

If you believe in money, you are socialist at best. But not a communist.

 

[jackissocool]

There's nothing more annoying than a shoplifter that tries to defend it than by saying "It's a massive company. Who cares?" or by railing against the means of production. If you're opposed to Wal-Mart, then find a way to mitigate the things that you do that you find so objectionable.

If you're going to shoplift from them, just be honest and say that you do it because you fucking can. Bringing in the "tens of thousands" of 3rd world people affected by them is a moronic deflection unless you're donating the stuff you're stealing to some of those people or something.

I agree, which is why - again, and again, and again - that shoplifting is not effective resistance.

You are all determined to not listen to what I'm actually saying.

 

[Jebusman]

I said like five times that shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism. It was literally the first thing I said.

Except you are also justifying shoplifting when it's done to a large corporation simply because they may (or may not) do morally and ethically objectable, if not actually illegal, things, all of which are empowered by functioning in a capitalist society.

You can't tell me shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism, and then say that it's okay to shoplift BECAUSE capitalism.

 

[God Dayumm]

How so?

He does sound like a communist. When has communism not been about robbery, murder and genocide?

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I agree, which is why - again, and again, and again - that shoplifting is not effective resistance.

You are all determined to not listen to what I'm actually saying.

Then why do you do it?

 

[Adnor]

I agree, which is why - again, and again, and again - that shoplifting is not effective resistance.

You are all determined to not listen to what I'm actually saying.

Then, if it isn't a effective resistance method, what's your excuse for shoplifting?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Actually it does. Under pure communism there is no money. Everyone works for the betterment of society. No one demands payment for their work.

If you believe in money, you are socialist at best. But not a communist.

but saying that you must give 100% of your money to the government if you're a communist is disingenuous at best.

 

[jackissocool]

Except you are also justifying shoplifting when it's done to a large corporation simply because they may (or may not) do morally and ethically objectable, if not actually illegal, things.

You can't tell me shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism, and then say that it's okay to shoplift BECAUSE capitalism.

Why not?

He does sound like a communist. When has communism not been about robbery, murder and genocide?

Damn, nice to meet you McCarthy.

Actually it does. Under pure communism there is no money. Everyone works for the betterment of society. No one demands payment for their work.

If you believe in money, you are socialist at best. But not a communist.

I don't believe in money. But no money =/= no payment.

Then why do you do it?

Then, if it isn't a effective resistance method, what's your excuse for shoplifting?

Because my ultimate goal is to destroy the system that allows entities like Wal-Mart to exist. Why should I feel bad for lowering their profits a billionth of a percent?

 

[entremet]

I said like five times that shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism. It was literally the first thing I said.

I think you're getting grief because you personally admitted to shoplifting and defending it when the victim is a unsavory corporation by your admission.

You're not getting grief for your support of communism.

 

[ryseing]

Yes being opposed to capitalism is just like believing the earth is flat.

Using that belief to defend petty thieves is damned close if we're comparing absurd arguments.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Why not?

Damn, nice to meet you McCarthy.

I don't believe in money. But no money =/= no payment.

But if you were a communist, you wouldn't have property, or money. You happily used money to buy a PS4, TV, games?

 

[braves01]

Lifting is a form of homeopathic treatment for mental illnesses that society has not provided adequate treatment options for. Until there are healthcare options for these people, I think people should be sympathetic towards them and shopkeepers should turn a blind eye to these minor but necessary transgressions.

 

[Einchy]

Using that belief to defend petty thieves is damned close.

It's worse, really.

At least flat earthers aren't stealing shit to make a point.

 

[Littlefang]

Lifting is a form of homeopathic treatment for mental illnesses that society has not provided adequate treatment options for. Until there are healthcare options for these people, I think people should be sympathetic towards them and shopkeepers should turn a blind eye to these minor but necessary transgressions.

Haha you almost got me.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Check out Jean Valjean over here.

 

[ryseing]

It's worse, really.

At least flat earthers aren't stealing shit to make a point.

True. Flat earthers aren't harming anyone.

 

[Syriel]

Why not?

Damn, nice to meet you McCarthy.

I don't believe in money. But no money =/= no payment.

Under communism there is no payment. There is also no barter system.

You do work solely for the betterment of society.

You get provided what you need to live (house, food, medical, etc.).

Now there are similar ideologies that do incorporate the idea of compensation, but if you're talking pure communism, then no, you're not getting paid for the work that you do because you're working for the benefit of all.

 

[Kinyou]

How they mix it with all those "You're all beautiful butterflies" messages is kind of hilarious.

 

[Nipo]

I live in capitalism not by choice. Abstaining from it accomplishes nothing but killing myself. I want to make social change.

"You're opposed top feudalism but you use the king's pitchforks? Lol"

Yes being opposed to capitalism is just like believing the earth is flat.

Capitalism isn't something you "believe" in. It exists, is measurable and has lifted millions of people out of poverty.

 

[Burt]

Damn, nice to meet you McCarthy.

The history of Communism in practice is far and away the greatest humanitarian catastrophe in the history of the world.

But I'm sure it'll work out fine next time!

 

[Berordn]

You guys just have to do like I do and forget that tumblr has any content outside of the porn blogs.

Just start looking at the porn blogs guys, you'll feel better.

 

[Jebusman]

Why not?

Shoplifting is a crime.

It's a crime as determined by our capitalist society and laws.

By advocating shoplifting, you are encouraging the resistance and defiance of the law, as set by a capitalist society.

Thus you are advocating shoplifting as a resistance to capitalism.

That's not a hard train to follow.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

I said like five times that shoplifting is not effective resistance to capitalism. It was literally the first thing I said.

And yet you do it anyways.

So you're just a plain thief.

 

[The Albatross]

Or would you....?

 

[jackissocool]

I think you're getting grief because you personally admitted to shoplifting and defending it when the victim is a unsavory corporation by your admission.

You're not getting grief for your support of communism.

I most definitely am.

Using that belief to defend petty thieves is damned close if we're comparing absurd arguments.

I'm saying I don't give a fuck about them. It's a victimless "crime". I sure hope you've never ever done anything illegal ever.

But if you were a communist, you wouldn't have property, or money. You happily used money to buy a PS4, TV, games?

Just because I'm a communist doesn't mean I don't live under capitalism. I addressed this many times already.

 

[TouchMyBox]

True. Flat earthers aren't harming anyone.

I'd say something about what if it enters a textbook, but I'm afraid I'll jynx it.

I'm saying I don't give a fuck about them. It's a victimless "crime". I sure hope you've never ever done anything illegal ever.

Perhaps people aren't totally understanding of your awesome worldviews because you fail to realize that your shitty attitude doesn't result in companies going "LOL, X amount of people stole our shit, oh well, I guess we're gonna have to take it out of our giant bonuses ho ho ho" and instead the reality is that we have to pay more for our shit because the costs of your crimes are passed onto the paying customer.

 

[starchild excalibur]

I agree, which is why - again, and again, and again - that shoplifting is not effective resistance.

You are all determined to not listen to what I'm actually saying.

No, I know you said it's not an effective means of protest, but you also went on to use those same excuses to justify it when people said that it was a dick thing to do.

If you just said, "Yup, you're right. It's a dick thing to do, but I probably won't get caught so fuck it," it'd honestly be a much more respectable response than "Well, wal-mart deserves it."

That's why people keep bringing it up.

Because my ultimate goal is to destroy the system that allows entities like Wal-Mart to exist. Why should I feel bad for lowering their profits a billionth of a percent?

Like here. You can't say shoplifting isn't your means of protest in your first post and then say it's why you do it several posts later when people ask why you still choose to do it.

 

[E92 M3]

Why not?

Damn, nice to meet you McCarthy.

I don't believe in money. But no money =/= no payment.



Because my ultimate goal is to destroy the system that allows entities like Wal-Mart to exist. Why should I feel bad for lowering their profits a billionth of a percent?

It's hard to take you seriously when you're being a hypocrite.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Or would you....?

Yes I fucking would.

 

[LogicalFallacy]

There's a lot of this going around in the thread. Many of you are assuming just because you participate in the market means that you are a hypocrite for supporting another arrangement of economic organization. This is not really the case. We have no choice but to participate in the (capitalist) market, as it is the only place where I can receive the necessities of life. Obviously every purchase in the market is going to be reinforcing the capitalist system and all of its pitfalls, but there's not really much choice.

But yes, it's true shoplifting isn't an effective method against capitalism. It doesn't do anything to agitate workers against the ruling capitalist class, it only makes them resentful against communists (or otherwise) who claim to be shoplifting in order to 'smash the system' but are really just harming the workers involved. The Koch brothers aren't going to be taking the brunt of the financial loss here, it'll be the workers getting their wages slashed for a few weeks. Only collective action from the working class is capable of overthrowing capitalism and instating a new economic ideology. Individual action is useful when its being put towards this goal of creating that collective current of action, like giving an impromptu speech in a park that piques peoples' interest in the ideas of communism that they may investigate and learn from, but it's not so useful if it's going to be hurting the workers, which is the last thing communism seeks to do.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

'its not effective resistance but I'll do it anyway cos I'm a communist and I don't believe in money or property despite living in a capitalist country and owning a PS4, tv, phone, that wouldn't exist in the same form in a non capitalist society.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Or would you....?

jackissocool would if they could. because we gotta stick it to those corporations amirite.