One man's oppression is another man's society.
Tumblr has a shoplifting fandom?? O_O *lots of pics
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One man's oppression is another man's society.
Anime lover 69
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My friend always steals candies from the pride but that's because he has no money.
Edit: you're not making a statement by stealing from stores lol
Edit: you're not making a statement by stealing from stores lol
Vincent Grayson
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I feel like most of this discussion ignores the fact that odds are strong most of these people are teenagers. Shoplifting and the justification of it long predate Tumblr. I remember watching my friends, and then my sisters, do the same thing. Seemed like it was always girls.
The Albatross
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It's frustrating when somebody is a disingenuous asshole to you, huh?
Stop stealing from people.
starchild excalibur
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Ah, is this the "Why get mad at x, when you should be mad at y?" post that occasionally pops up that assumes people can't be mad at multiple things concurrently or that assumes that some things are worth 100% effort in tackling while others are worth 0?
I'm honestly asking before I decide how to respond.
You are advocating committing crimes because you don't like capitalism. I don't think you're in any position to be determining who the asshole here is.
Also, everything he has written is 100% what you are implying. You have caught yourself in this circle of lying and justification that has allowed you to rationalize everything and anything you say.
I know that nothing we, or quite frankly anyone, says will make this any different.
So let's just leave it off with the facts.
Shoplifting is a crime in the United States of America.
Regardless of how you feel it can be morally justified, nothing in the eyes of the law can actually justify shoplifting, at any point.
You are advocating people shoplift, and thus directly encouraging people break the law as a statement against capitalism, while simultaneously admitting it's not actually all that effective in doing anything.
You feel you are a martyr, trying to stop a grave injustice.
The rest of us feel you are just a petty thief who cannot come to terms with yourself.
Princess Carl
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No, its more a comment on the nature of specific threads of conversation in the thread itself.
jackissocool
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Me too
LOL
I'm sure people know deep down they are not really fighting for communism or making a statement about small businesses when they shoplift. But y'all are not gonna solve that particular cognitive dissonance in this thread. I bet that shit runs DEEP.
The Albatross
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I can stake my moral claim to many things at once. Hell this is a videogame forum where people stake their moral claim to whether Bethesda wronged gamers by only having 4 dialog selections in Fallout 4. There's probably been 10,000 posts about it. It doesn't mean that those people also don't feel strongly about other moral issues throughout the world.
It's the internet. This is a thread about people being proud of stealing and we happen to have someone who is proud of himself for stealing.
You entered a thread about shoplifting and you're surprised that the conversation going on said thread is about specifically shoplifiting?
starchild excalibur
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It's easier for people to digest and address those that specifically steal an item from a store than multinational corporations that work in often duplicitous and generally more complex ways I guess.
If the owner of Wal-Mart was posting on NeoGaf, you can bet your ass people would be getting very angry at them. But short of that, it's people just discussing amongst themselves about the ills of a 3rd party organization.
John Kowalski
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yikes
Give us time, we recently discovered ay lmao
Or would you....?
Naw, I'll just go 3-D print a car
Yeah, one would think this kind of attitude wouldn't be as prevalent on a forum of internet savvy people, but alas. And I agree about it being better than Facebook (and most social media sites) when it comes to filtering trash and only getting the good stuff.
A lot of serious artists use it because Tumblr's system is very convenient for a variety of things, including exposing your work through reblogs and tags. I mean, even Neil Gaiman has a blog on tumblr where he posts frequently, but I guess the site is garbage and should be nuked etc.
jackissocool
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I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
Most people aren't proud of being criminals and try and justify why it's okay.
Also, lol @ comparing being a thief with smoking pot or skipping school.
Elitist1945
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What?
jackissocool
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CenturionKei
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Here's the difference.
"I once sped down the highway above the speed limit. I was fully aware I broke the law, and as a general statement do believe in speed limits, however I weighted the risk of being caught versus the chance of me being late to my destination, and decided it was worth it."
This is not at all the same as
"I break the law shoplifting because FUCK WALMART"
You are RATIONALIZING why people should commit a crime as if it's for the greater good. People who speed down the highway are breaking the law for their own personal gain, and are fully aware and accepting that they should be punished for doing so.
You however seem to think otherwise.
Lenin himself couldn't probably convince you otherwise at this point.
LyleLanley
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Being a teenager is great, you can steal some pens from a store and convince yourself that you're a rebel fighting the system.
Gentleman Jack
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Time to update the poster I guess
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I don't think stealing from Wal-Mart particularly matters, but I do think that people who shoplift are largely immature and myopic, and I pretty much instantly lose respect for people when I learn they do it. I once stopped in to my work with a friend to grab my schedule, and I found out a few hours later that while I was in the back getting it, my friend had shoplifted a shirt. I love him, but he could have gotten me fired just to get his stupid little rush.
It's true that Wal-Mart has committed plenty of wrongs, but it's also true that the principle that you should not take something to which you are not entitled, according to whatever system of norms a society has in place to govern that, is a solid principle for judging people's overall ethical character.
It's true that Wal-Mart has committed plenty of wrongs, but it's also true that the principle that you should not take something to which you are not entitled, according to whatever system of norms a society has in place to govern that, is a solid principle for judging people's overall ethical character.
John Rabbit
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people exposing they don't know truancy is actually illegal.
also any crime is apparently justifiable in the right context because "everybody speeds sometimes".
also any crime is apparently justifiable in the right context because "everybody speeds sometimes".
orthodoxy1095
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But someone told me that shoplifting is a victimless crime and that companies are too big to bother punishing workers for it.
LogicalFallacy
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I don't know about jackissocool, but most commies I know, myself included, don't want to force anybody into an economic system. They want communism to come about through the voluntary action of the working class, and for the resulting economic system to be run by the workers for the workers. You talk of best interests, but can you deny that it's in the worker's best interest to remove the owning class that takes much of the value they create as their own, so that workers can receive the value that their work is worth? How is that any less valid from a self-interest point of view than capitalists paying workers the lowest wages they can so they can maximize their profit margin?
You also seem to believe that all communism is a tyranny of the state, which is understandable given most people's perception of the 20th century. While communism is defined as a stateless, classless society by Marx, Marx did mention that the government will still be used as a tool of the working class following the communist revolution. Much of what occurred in the 20th century is an absolute shame, and has clearly set the ideals of communism back many, many years as seen by the dismissal of such ideas in this thread. But humans are not beyond learning from their mistakes. The working class will have to organize the economy in a more efficient way this time around, perhaps using a system where the workers themselves allocate resources rather than giving the state the unilateral power to do so. Communism is meant to be the self-activity of a free association of producers, who organize voluntarily for the benefit of themselves, not a state tyranny.
The state's functions that it performs today might still be performed initially, but would gradually dissipate as the working class learns to take over the state's duties for itself. The state, like it does today, would also defend the working classes' interests, by removing possible threats to the new economic paradigm (like countries that still wish to remain capitalist and exploit their workers), as the state does today and has done in the past. But, as stated before, it's important to not allow this state to not become all-powerful as it was in some 20th century communist countries. The way to prevent this from occurring is to educate the working class on what the state shouldn't be, ie a dictatorship, and to give the working class the tools to fight back if necessary, ie the right to bear arms. Communists don't want the state to be kept around forever, but understand that it will have its uses in the initial post-revolutionary world as a military arm and service provider while the working class gets their bearings on how to best organize this new world.
Iorv3th
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Those crimes are not crimes that infringe on another persons rights. By stealing you are infringing on another persons rights by taking their property.
Shrike Alvaron
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No it's not. Skipping classes tends to be against the RULES of the school, but it's not a LAW that you can't skip classes. So if you skip classes you can't be persecuted by the law as you never committed a crime, but the school has the right to suspend or expel you for breaking its rules.
The Albatross
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Three thoughts about this idiotic post:
1) Skipping class in high school is not illegal. As far as I know, there are no school systems that would punish you as a criminal for truancy. Maybe you'll get detention.
But that's beside the point.
2) Justifying your own illegal activity because somebody else, somewhere, has committed a crime is stupid. In so far as you've couched your shoplifting behind wanting to change the system, hating capitalism, or ending oppression, I'm curious: In your ideal society, where does this "Somebody has committed a crime therefore I can commit a crime" fall into? For instance, should a corporation steal from it's employees 401k pension because you stole hair elastics from Target in a form of anti-capitalist protest? Remember, this is in your ideal society. "No, of course not, those are two totally different things!" Ok, so where is the line drawn? Where does one become acceptable (Committing a crime because someone, somewhere, has committed a crime) and where does it become unacceptable?
3) There's a difference between committing infractions, however deliberate (for instance, speeding up to get through a traffic light), and then committing infractions and taking to the internet to boast about them. We probably all commit infractions every day, I'm sure today I went 70mph on the highway going to work. It's something I did, but it's not something I'm bragging about. I don't think that I'm changing the system by going 70 in a 65mph zone and I don't try to act like I am on the internet.
If you admitted that you had stolen before, most people probably wouldn't care, and your insignificant post would have been forgotten back on page 1. But because you couched it in moralistic justifications at every turn, expounding on the evils of capitalism in a thread where you admit to stealing, you're being castigated.
As far as I know in the States, it's not illegal in every State, and many are just enforced as school code rather than an actual state or federal level crime.
Up until recently (like 2015 recently), I want to say it was illegal in Texas.
Only one person used the speeding example, and the point was that it wasn't "justified", it was a crime that the person in the example willingly commited for personal gain.
Vault Dweller 111
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I never know what to think when threads turn out like this.
Was it successful because it was so popular?
Or a failure because the content is such shit?
Was it successful because it was so popular?
Or a failure because the content is such shit?
Wait, the workers themselves will allocate resources?
How will they go about coordinating it?
You know what's funny? Our relationship ended because she stole from me, her and a friend. That girl was a mess.
Vulcano's assistant
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Hey man I made some of this content, you wanna fight?
jackissocool
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Democratically
TO my defense i didn't knew this was all the rage with kids nowadays.
Vault Dweller 111
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It's my thread. So I'm definitely at fault.
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