But they still exist under capitalism. And quite frankly, that's cowardly. I'm not just a communist for myself but to end all oppression. Why would I run away instead of doing what I can to fight it?
One man's oppression is another man's society.
But they still exist under capitalism. And quite frankly, that's cowardly. I'm not just a communist for myself but to end all oppression. Why would I run away instead of doing what I can to fight it?
You're a disingenuous asshole who is blatantly twisting my words
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?
Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?
Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.
You're a disingenuous asshole who is blatantly twisting my words
Ah, is this the "Why get mad at x, when you should be mad at y?" post that occasionally pops up that assumes people can't be mad at multiple things concurrently or that assumes that some things are worth 100% effort in tackling while others are worth 0?
I'm honestly asking before I decide how to respond.
Me tooMy friend always steals candies from the pride but that's because he has no money.
Edit: you're not making a statement by stealing from stores lol
"What are you in for"
"I destroyed the system that allows Wal-Mart to exist"
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?
Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?
Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?
Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?
Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.
No, its more a comment on the nature of specific threads of conversation in the thread itself.
I can't really decide on which is more perplexing.
The fact that people are unaware that idolising shoplifting is a thing and has been for ages.
Or that people think this is a tumblr thing. It precedes tumblr by decades.
Or that people still do the "lol nuke tumblr owthedge" thing.
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Or would you....?
Tumblr is a site where anyone can make a blog and post to it. What you see there is what you follow, or what you are linked to. It is not a hivemind, or a singular culture. If you only follow artists blogs on Tumblr, then to you Tumblr is an art site with a ton of art. If you go looking for garbage on any site and fixate only on that, then any site is nothing but garbage.
I don't get why this is still weird to people, it's like, how does the internet work.
Thank you. It's a great site for artists and illustrators, I go there a lot and I've never encountered any of this crazy shit that people complain about. (and rightfully, but still)
It's like how people complain about stupid people on Facebook. No, it just means that you're friends with fucking idiots.
Yeah, one would think this kind of attitude wouldn't be as prevalent on a forum of internet savvy people, but alas. And I agree about it being better than Facebook (and most social media sites) when it comes to filtering trash and only getting the good stuff.Honestly not everyone in tumblr is into questionable stuff, like most stories that brake claim. Its mostly an image forum for people to blog about what they like and share pictures of what they enjoy. Its actually fairly similar to neogaf or pretty much any forum you have ever visited, the problem is that it got so big and so popular that its a place for all kinds of people to meet up, and that includes said questionable stuff.
When you join tumblr you can pick and choose what you want to see and who you want to follow, I'll argue its even safer than facebook in that its rare you are going to look at stuff you are not into.
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?ITT: criminal defends criminal activities, thread digs endlessly
Wonder how this ones gonna shake out, Cotton.
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
Those are CRIMESMost people aren't proud of being criminals and try and justify why it's okay.
Also, lol @ comparing being a thief with smoking pot or skipping school.
It's illegalWhat?
Never.I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
But someone told me that shoplifting is a victimless crime and that companies are too big to bother punishing workers for it.I don't think stealing from Wal-Mart particularly matters, but I do think that people who shoplift are largely immature and myopic, and I pretty much instantly lose respect for people when I learn they do it. I once stopped in to my work with a friend to grab my schedule, and I found out a few hours later that while I was in the back getting it, my friend had shoplifted a shirt. I love him, but he could have gotten me fired just to get his stupid little rush.
It's true that Wal-Mart has committed plenty of wrongs, but it's also true that the principle that you should not take something to which you are not entitled, according to whatever system of norms a society has in place to govern that, is a solid principle for judging people's overall ethical character.
So you are advocating slavery and forcing people to live under the political and economic system you think is best. That seems pretty selfish when you could remove yourself from the oppression you claim to hate.
Why wouldn't you support a freedom of movement where if people want to reject capitalism they can move to their own society and do so.
Communism is about the state allocating resources capitalism is about the free market allocating resources. One assumes people will do what is best for the good of everyone and the other assumes people will do what is in their own best interest. It is no surprise the latter wins.
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
Those are CRIMES
It's illegal
I'm glad you've never done anything illegal ever, right?
Never sped? Never smoked pot? Never skipped class in high school?
people exposing they don't know truancy is actually illegal.
1) Skipping class in high school is not illegal. As far as I know, there are no school systems that would punish you as a criminal for truancy. Maybe you'll get detention.
people exposing they don't know truancy is actually illegal.
also any crime is apparently justifiable in the right context because "everybody speeds sometimes".
I don't know about jackissocool, but most commies I know, myself included, don't want to force anybody into an economic system. They want communism to come about through the voluntary action of the working class, and for the resulting economic system to be run by the workers for the workers. You talk of best interests, but can you deny that it's in the worker's best interest to remove the owning class that takes much of the value they create as their own, so that they can receive the value that their work is worth? How is that any less valid from a self-interest point of view than capitalists paying workers the lowest wages they can so they can maximize their profit margin?
You also seem to believe that all communism is a tyranny of the state, which is understandable given most people's perception of the 20th century. While communism is defined as a stateless, classless society by Marx, Marx did mention that the government will still be used as a tool of the working class following the communist revolution. Much of what occurred in the 20th century is an absolute shame, and has clearly set the ideals of communism back many, many years as seen by the dismissal of such ideas in this thread. But humans are not beyond learning from their mistakes. The working class will have to organize the economy in a more efficient way this time around, perhaps using a system where the workers themselves allocate resources rather than giving the state the unilateral power to do so. Communism is meant to be the self-activity of a free association of producers, who organize voluntarily for the benefit of themselves, not a state tyranny.
The state's functions that it performs today might still be performed initially, but would gradually dissipate as the working class learns to take over the state's duties for itself. The state, like it does today, would also defend the working classes' interests, by removing possible threats to the new economic paradigm (like countries that still wish to remain capitalist and exploit their workers), as the state does today and has done in the past. But, as stated before, it's important to not allow this state to not become all-powerful as it was in some 20th century communist countries. The way to prevent this from occurring is to educate the working class on what the state shouldn't be, ie a dictatorship, and to give the working class the tools to fight back if necessary, ie the right to bear arms. Communists don't want the state to be kept around forever, but understand that it will have its uses in the initial post-revolutionary world as a military arm and service provider while the working class gets their bearings on how to best organize this new world.
I don't know about jackissocool, but most commies I know, myself included, don't want to force anybody into an economic system. They want communism to come about through the voluntary action of the working class, and for the resulting economic system to be run by the workers for the workers. You talk of best interests, but can you deny that it's in the worker's best interest to remove the owning class that takes much of the value they create as their own, so that they can receive the value that their work is worth? How is that any less valid from a self-interest point of view than capitalists paying workers the lowest wages they can so they can maximize their profit margin?
You also seem to believe that all communism is a tyranny of the state, which is understandable given most people's perception of the 20th century. While communism is defined as a stateless, classless society by Marx, Marx did mention that the government will still be used as a tool of the working class following the communist revolution. Much of what occurred in the 20th century is an absolute shame, and has clearly set the ideals of communism back many, many years as seen by the dismissal of such ideas in this thread. But humans are not beyond learning from their mistakes. The working class will have to organize the economy in a more efficient way this time around, perhaps using a system where the workers themselves allocate resources rather than giving the state the unilateral power to do so. Communism is meant to be the self-activity of a free association of producers, who organize voluntarily for the benefit of themselves, not a state tyranny.
The state's functions that it performs today might still be performed initially, but would gradually dissipate as the working class learns to take over the state's duties for itself. The state, like it does today, would also defend the working classes' interests, by removing possible threats to the new economic paradigm (like countries that still wish to remain capitalist and exploit their workers), as the state does today and has done in the past. But, as stated before, it's important to not allow this state to not become all-powerful as it was in some 20th century communist countries. The way to prevent this from occurring is to educate the working class on what the state shouldn't be, ie a dictatorship, and to give the working class the tools to fight back if necessary, ie the right to bear arms. Communists don't want the state to be kept around forever, but understand that it will have its uses in the initial post-revolutionary world as a military arm and service provider while the working class gets their bearings on how to best organize this new world.
That seems to be exactly whats happening here except now they getting external validation. Add the echo chamber of approval from like minded people and you end up with self justification!
I never know what to think when threads turn out like this.
Was it successful because it was so popular?
Or a failure because the content is such shit?
DemocraticallyWait, the workers themselves will allocate resources?
How will they go about coordinating it?
Wait, GAF didn't know about this?.
It's my thread. So I'm definitely at fault.Hey man I made some of this content, you wanna fight?