Tumblr has a shoplifting fandom?? O_O *lots of pics

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Shoplifting is a crime.

It's a crime as determined by our capitalist society and laws.

By advocating shoplifting, you are encouraging the resistance and defiance of the law, as set by a capitalist society.

Thus you are advocating shoplifting as a resistance to capitalism.

That's not a hard train to follow.

This is sophistry. I mean if they were really doing this as an F you to Capitalism, they would get rid of the stuff stolen because it's simply a statement, for them to keep it, then it's primarily self interest and they're trying to justify it after the fact.
 
I'm saying I don't give a fuck about them. It's a victimless "crime". I sure hope you've never ever done anything illegal ever.

Piracy is a victimless crime in that the original product is still available for a company to purchase, and there is no proof the pirate would have ever purchased the product if it was his only option. It is still a crime though.

Jaywalking would also be the definition of a victimless crime, in that most of the time you are harming literally no one.

Theft is not a victimless crime in that it removes the original object that was paid for by the company, so that they can no longer recoup the cost it took them to make it available to you. There is literally a victim in this scenario. That victim may have the combined value of more than some countries, but it is still a tangible object that has been victimized.

It doesn't matter if you are stealing from the tiniest corner store or Wal-Mart, it's the same fucking thing.
 
I agree that it's not an effective form of protest. That was the first thing I said. But I'm also not gonna condemn it.

I live in capitalism not by choice. Abstaining from it accomplishes nothing but killing myself. I want to make social change.

Yes being opposed to capitalism is just like believing the earth is flat.

Stop lying, of course you think it's an effective form of protest. You're putting this caveat at the beginning of your posts "I don't believe it's an effective form of protest," and then go on to justify it as believing it is an effective way to change capitalism.

Stop lying to other people; stop lying to yourself.

I'm saying I don't give a fuck about them. It's a victimless "crime". I sure hope you've never ever done anything illegal ever.

Of course there's a victim, the person you're stealing from. And "Crime" doesn't have to be in quotes. Shop lifting is not a quote unquote crime, it's an actual crime.

ANd the idea that other people have done something illegal, therefore you have free reign to do whatever you want is the most irrelevant and idiotic idea I've heard today. And I've browsed NeoGaf all day.
 
Isn't it like, rich kids doing it for a kick? Like, I'm sure they aren't shoplifting food because they can't afford it.

At least, if they're blogging about it, that is.
 
Stop lying, of course you think it's an effective form of protest. You're putting this caveat at the beginning of your posts "I don't believe it's an effective form of protest," and then go on to justify it as believing it is an effective way to change capitalism.

Stop lying to other people; stop lying to yourself.
Oh fuck off. I can't think something is inconsequential?
 
I was always under the impression that shoplifting was supposed to be super difficult?

its insanely easy; 95% of shoplifting successfully is confidence. the rest is not being a complete shitwad about it (i.e. - taking too much, hitting the same store too many times within the same period, being greedy instead of opportunistic).*



*i was arrested and convicted of theft several years ago and didn't follow my own advice long enough. if these kids are serious about this i hope each and every one of them is caught.
 
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There's a lot of this going around in the thread. Many of you are assuming just because you participate in the market means that you are a hypocrite for supporting another arrangement of economic organization. This is not really the case. We have no choice but to participate in the (capitalist) market, as it is the only place where I can receive the necessities of life. Obviously every purchase in the market is going to be reinforcing the capitalist system and all of its pitfalls, but there's not really much choice.

But yes, it's true shoplifting isn't an effective method against capitalism. It doesn't do anything to agitate workers against the ruling capitalist class, it only makes them resentful against communists (or otherwise) who claim to be shoplifting in order to 'smash the system' but are really just harming the workers involved. The Koch brothers aren't going to be taking the brunt of the financial loss here, it'll be the workers getting their wages slashed for a few weeks. Only collective action from the working class is capable of overthrowing capitalism and instating a new economic ideology. Individual action is useful when its being put towards this goal of creating that collective current of action, like giving an impromptu speech in a park that piques peoples' interest in the ideas of communism that they may investigate and learn from, but it's not so useful if it's going to be hurting the workers, which is the last thing communism seeks to do.

Posting on a forum that makes money from user's viewing ads is a choice. Easy to not support such a thing.

Unless he blocks ads which is against the TOS. Posting on NeoGAF is not essential to immediate survival.
 
Are you being held against your will? There are plenty of communes you could relocate to in pretty much every country out there.
But they still exist under capitalism. And quite frankly, that's cowardly. I'm not just a communist for myself but to end all oppression. Why would I run away instead of doing what I can to fight it?
Posting on a forum that makes money from user's viewing ads is a choice. Easy to not support such a thing.

Unless he blocks ads which is against the TOS. Posting on NeoGAF is not essential to immediate survival.
Wouldn't it be much more effective to use those tools to agitate and organize against capitalism?

Besides, communism isn't about not enjoying things. It's about changing who gets paid for making things.
 
I'm saying I don't give a fuck about them. It's a victimless "crime". I sure hope you've never ever done anything illegal ever.
It's not a victimless crime. You're creating more stress and work for the people at that store. In some cases, you're helping people lose their jobs. Through cumulative shoplifting nationwide, you help to cause price increases to be pushed on consumers who aren't scummy thieves.

In other words, you're just an asshole.
 
Oh fuck off. I can't think something is inconsequential?

No of course you can think something is inconsequential. I'm just telling you to stop lying. And, really, I don't mean that you must stop lying, but more or less, "try not lying and see how it fits you."

You're so proud of your inconsequential stealing, yet take to the internet to brag about it to hundreds of people. More lies.

Try honesty.
 
It's not a victimless crime. You're creating more stress and work for the people at that store. In some cases, you're helping people lose their jobs. Through cumulative shoplifting nationwide, you help to cause price increases to be pushed on consumers who aren't scummy thieves.

In other words, you're just an asshole.
That's actually the first reasonable argument anyone has made. Which is why I only shoplift tiny things, and don't make a habit of it. And why I only do it at huge stores that already have expectations for lost profits for shoplifting and are too big to bother punishing workers for it.
 
What if you can't afford to go anywhere in your current capitalistic society?
Clearly, the answer is petty theft.
That's actually the first reasonable argument anyone has made. Which is why I only shoplift tiny things, and don't make a habit of it. And why I only do it at huge stores that already have expectations for lost profits for shoplifting and are too big to bother punishing workers for it.
This isn't reality, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
 
But they still exist under capitalism. And quite frankly, that's cowardly. I'm not just a communist for myself but to end all oppression. Why would I run away instead of doing what I can to fight it?

Just quoting this along with your earlier thought that "you don't believe stealing from people is a form of protest."

"I don't believe stealing from people is a form of protest" - Jack is Cool, 2016 Anno Domini

YET:

I believe:
- Stealing from people will end all oppression
- Not stealing from people is cowardly
- Stealing from people is fighting "it"

Yes, you believe that stealing is a form of protest. Just stop lying.
 
But they still exist under capitalism. And quite frankly, that's cowardly. I'm not just a communist for myself but to end all oppression. Why would I run away instead of doing what I can to fight it?

Wouldn't it be much more effective to use those tools to agitate and organize against capitalism?

Besides, communism isn't about not enjoying things. It's about changing who gets paid for making things.

So you are advocating slavery and forcing people to live under the political and economic system you think is best. That seems pretty selfish when you could remove yourself from the oppression you claim to hate.

Why wouldn't you support a freedom of movement where if people want to reject capitalism they can move to their own society and do so.

Communism is about the state allocating resources capitalism is about the free market allocating resources. One assumes people will do what is best for the good of everyone and the other assumes people will do what is in their own best interest. It is no surprise the latter wins.
 
That's actually the first reasonable argument anyone has made. Which is why I only shoplift tiny things, and don't make a habit of it. And why I only do it at huge stores that already have expectations for lost profits for shoplifting and are too big to bother punishing workers for it.

That is some weird logic you got.
 
What if you can't afford to go anywhere in your current capitalistic society?

I know people who have traveled from NY to CA back to FL for approximately $30 (it did take 2 years). If you want to move around in America it doesn't cost you much if you're determined.
 
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?

Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?

Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.
 
Just quoting this along with your earlier thought that "you don't believe stealing from people is a form of protest."

"I don't believe stealing from people is a form of protest" - Jack is Cool, 2016 Anno Domini

YET:

I believe:
- Stealing from people will end all oppression
- Not stealing from people is cowardly
- Stealing from people is fighting "it"

Yes, you believe that stealing is a form of protest. Just stop lying.
Show me where I said any of those three things.
 
I shouldn't be surprised anymore. For all they moan about it, Tumblr is very similar to 4chan in certain subcommunities, and it reflects on the image of the site at large.
It's no wonder that Yahoo is regretting buying it.

Eeeeh, thats because they don't make money off it, not some communities.

Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?

Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?

Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.

By the looks of it, lots of 4Channers try to redeeem themselves by proxy.
 
Just big, big lols at the whole "I steal because I don't believe in capitalism" dealio.



You are basically confirming that your own ideas won't work.

What happens when people fuck up your communism because they "don't believe in it"? :)
 
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People who live in poverty to the point where they're compelled to steal usually stick to stealing whatever crucial necessities they're missing or at least what they could sell for money to care for themselves. Not quite the same as someone lifting some expensive markers just so they could maybe mess with some coloring books.

And I'd gather that Kleptomaniacs would prefer not having a disorder that forces them to steal stuff they don't need or even want at the risk of disintegrating all of their meaningful relationships.

These idiots are using the less fortunate and the mentally ill as shields to defend the fact that they just want free shit.
 
That's actually the first reasonable argument anyone has made. Which is why I only shoplift tiny things, and don't make a habit of it. And why I only do it at huge stores that already have expectations for lost profits for shoplifting and are too big to bother punishing workers for it.

Bullshit, many people have brought up this point (myself included) multiple times during the thread. You decided to ignored until someone you liked brought it up.
 
Dig enough and you will find groups that support anything on the internet.

I remember there were rashes of body dismorphia support messageboards.
 
All you can tell these people is that they are not a Cesar Chavez for having too much passion about whether a corporation makes too much money instead of whether the workers make enough.
 
That's actually the first reasonable argument anyone has made. Which is why I only shoplift tiny things, and don't make a habit of it. And why I only do it at huge stores that already have expectations for lost profits for shoplifting and are too big to bother punishing workers for it.

So with all of these points:
- Only shoplifting tiny things
- Only shoplifting from stores who build shoplifting into their business plan
- Don't "make a habit out of it"

How is this at all congruous with your simultaneous statements that your shoplifting is "ending all oppression" and that you are "fighting it" (oppression?) in the context of shoplifting?

It can't be both things at once. Well. At least, it shouldn't be, I suppose in a world where everything you say is just a lie to impress people or impress yourself then these two things can be and not be at the same time.
 
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?

Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?

Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.

nah one person who isn't a fan of capitalism has a ps4 and we must focus on that
 
Posting on a forum that makes money from user's viewing ads is a choice. Easy to not support such a thing.

Unless he blocks ads which is against the TOS. Posting on NeoGAF is not essential to immediate survival.
Sure, I can't disagree with that. I've turned adblock off on this site because I'm interested in its continuance because I find value in the discussion held here. But at the same time, I can acknowledge that any individual who keeps ads on might in one instance purchase whatever product is being advertised, which means supporting an exchange where the worker who created the product is not being paid their value, and the owners of the company take profit that they didn't earn through their own work.

But at the same time, acknowledgement of this relationship doesn't mean that I abstain from purchasing the goods being produced, because I know that if I were to personally abstain from not purchasing any one product, like a PS4, there's still enough demand such that production will continue and the worker will continue getting a bum deal. The kids at Foxconn are still getting paid close to zilch to make a product many, many times more valuable than they're being paid, whether I decide to choose to buy it or not. Hopefully this makes sense.
 
So with all of these points:
- Only shoplifting tiny things
- Only shoplifting from stores who build shoplifting into their business plan
- Don't "make a habit out of it"

How is this at all congruous with your simultaneous statements that your shoplifting is "ending all oppression" and that you are "fighting it" (oppression?) in the context of shoplifting?

It can't be both things at once. Well. At least, it shouldn't be, I suppose in a world where everything you say is just a lie to impress people or impress yourself then these two things can be and not be at the same time.
You're a disingenuous asshole who is blatantly twisting my words
 
Also I love how mad we are getting at this compared to idk, the actual consequential plundering and stealing currently taking place globally?

Is this where a bunch of internet posters are gonna stake their moral claim to? The equivalent of the riot after things have reached the breaking point?

Anyone can find the worst examples of something, and tumblr provides them all on a pretty platter, but this thread feels like it has a little too much inconsequential?(lol) conviction over it. You know, given the full context.

nah one person who isn't a fan of capitalism has a ps4 and we must focus on that

Why would people be talking about something that's completely off-topic? This thread is about shoplifters and there's currently a shoplifter in this very thread trying to justify it.
 
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