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[scitek]

And yet it's gonna pay off for all of them for giving Lynch and co. the amount of creative freedom that they have obviously been granted. Like I see nothing but pure commendation to everyone involved that this actually happened the way that it did. Because I'll tell you here and now that this is not fucking normal. It doesn't even make sense. I'm actually continually and utterly baffled at how this has played out so far.

It's certainly not paying off in the ratings lol

I'm anxious to see how much of the audience jumps ship after tonight,

 

[hydruxo]

So the black and white room is the white lodge, right?

According to Secret History the lodges existed for centuries, maybe always. Did the bomb create the Soot Boys or were they called by the bomb?

Personally, I think it's a middle ground (also considering it's in the Mauve Zone) between the Black Lodge and the White Lodge. I feel like when if we see the White Lodge this season, we'll know that it's the White Lodge right away.

 

[Jombie]

And yet it's gonna pay off for all of them for giving Lynch and co. the amount of creative freedom that they have obviously been granted. Like I see nothing but pure commendation to everyone involved that this actually happened the way that it did. Because I'll tell you here and now that this is not fucking normal. It doesn't even make sense. I'm actually continually and utterly baffled at how this has played out so far.

It's crazy because I thought I'd never see another David Lynch film and he delivers a 58 minute piece of television that equals anything he's done in his whole career. If the rest of the season consisted of dougie sitting on the toilet it would be worth it for this episode.

 

[VARIA]

And yet it's gonna pay off for all of them for giving Lynch and co. the amount of creative freedom that they have obviously been granted. Like I see nothing but pure commendation to everyone involved that this actually happened the way that it did. Because I'll tell you here and now that this is not fucking normal. It doesn't even make sense. I'm actually continually and utterly baffled at how this has played out so far.

They only needed to (excuse the pun) bend their arms backward, but in the end, it definitely is going to look good on Showtime for allowing such creative freedom.

 

[EdmondD]

So the black and white room is the white lodge, right?

According to Secret History the lodges existed for centuries, maybe always. Did the bomb create the Soot Boys or were they called by the bomb?

They were attracted by the bomb or it opened up a rift to let them in I think. You can see lightning striking near the explosion which I assume is the Soot Hobos coming to this world.

 

[Z..]

So the black and white room is the white lodge, right?

According to Secret History the lodges existed for centuries, maybe always. Did the bomb create the Soot Boys or were they called by the bomb?

Regarding the black and white room and stolen from above (thanks Linkin, interesting read).

Regarding the soot guys, I doubt they were created or called by the bomb... the bomb merely allowed them to transition to our reality. It's all up in the air, though.

So plot wise the only thing that even happened was Dark Coop surviving getting shot, right?

Actually this was one of the more jam packed episodes of the whole show as far as plot progression goes. Most of it is hard to reliably decipher at least for the time being, but a whole lot happened.

 

[Chumley]

So plot wise the only thing that even happened was Dark Coop surviving getting shot, right?

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Yeah, I also found that jarring. I did like Bob doing his classic evil face though. I really miss Frank Silva. It worked when he came out of Doop but not so much when he was birthed by Mother.

Agreed. I don't mind it in the Doop egg-birthing scene, although it makes the Mother scene even more egregious - we've already seen the BOB egg, so it's redundant to show his face again.

 

[NightShift]

So plot wise the only thing that even happened was Dark Coop surviving getting shot, right?

Possibly Bob leaving DoppelCooper too.

 

[Vectorman]

I like this show a lot. I like the visuals that Lynch has been giving us. However, this whole season just feels like The Return of Cooper: A Twin Peaks Story. The town and its people continue to be side characters on this show. This episode was the first real tidbits about BOB and Laura and we are already 8 episodes into this season, when it could have been set up earlier or far later. Maybe I wouldn't felt that issue had they not promoted the town so much and they just shrouded the whole project in secret. And as mentioned by previous posters, this might have been why Lynch fought so hard with Showtime and walking away from the project initially. He wanted to do this. And God bless him, he did. I will watch and enjoy this craziness, but there is also a part of me that misses the town, its characters, and the smaller sense of scale and stakes that were only hinted at getting bigger with its more WTF moments. Now it just feels like he's throwing everything and the kitchen sink and I can only hope he sticks the landing at the end of all this in terms of whatever he wants to do with Cooper's ending and whatever else he wants wrapped up.

 

[Chumley]

As much as I enjoyed that I really hope Lynch got whatever he had to do out of his system and we return to actual Twin Peaks-ness in two weeks.

 

[CelticKnight]

Haven't seen the episode yet - I guess this is a "Marmite" episode that polarises opinion.

On a side note now I can see why people involved with the making of this series were so at pains to say how it's not a straight follow up to S1 and 2, that it's not the "Twin Peaks" we all knew. It's evolved into something else (for goof or bad). Make you wonder how different it would've been if it was made 25 years ago as a legit season 3.

 

[Chumley]

We've seen in previous episodes that denizens of the lodges enter and exit the world through various changes in energy. In 1945, as the first atom bomb ever was successfully detonated, Babylon, the Mother of All Abominations used the opportunity to birth Bob and a host of evils into our world. The White Lodge received an alert and the Giant, caretaker of the Lodge, also uses the breach into our world to send the soul of Laura Palmer into the world to stand against Bob and the evils born into the world. 10 years later, Bob hatches in the desert and possesses his first victim.

This all sounds correct.

I just don't think we needed the backstory. I think it was just an excuse for Lynch to make one of his most insane short films ever.

And what do the soot men mean and what the fuck were they doing to Dark Coop?

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

This all sounds correct.

I just don't think we needed the backstory. I think it was just an excuse for Lynch to make one of his most insane short films ever.

And what do the soot men mean and what the fuck were they doing to Dark Coop?

At first I thought they were gobbling up his garmonbozia like starving vultures, but then BOB popped out and I don't even.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

This episode was so on the nose, I think Lynch is just trolling his own fans

 

[Chumley]

At first I thought they were gobbling up his garmonbozia like starving vultures, but then BOB popped out and I don't even.

Like if BOB isn't in him anymore who even is he now? I'm guessing this makes it easier to get him back into the black lodge? I don't know.

 

[brandonh83]

It's certainly not paying off in the ratings lol

I'm anxious to see how much of the audience jumps ship after tonight,

Hey, let it happen. All I see nowadays is people hating everything for not being "risky" and studios being ripped to shreds for not giving directors creative freedom. This is the complete opposite of that. But yes, it's gonna be divisive as hell.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

This episode was so on the nose, I think Lynch is just trolling his own fans

The next episode will be sixty full minutes of Cole loudly explaining the meaning of each scene to Tammy.

 

[carda114]

The pacing can certainly be boring. 5 minutes of a band performing on a stage, two minutes of an atom bomb....exploding, 5 minutes of fiery explosion acid trip, 2 minutes watching an egg hatch, 5 minutes of watching the giant barely move around a room. A few minutes spent traversing a purple ocean all the way up to a structure.

Slow pacing can make even the most interesting scene boring.

You can argue that it's boring all you want, but I'm enthralled.

 

[Chumley]

I legit thought Dark Coop was going to die and then Dougie would wake up in the scene after NiN.

 

[Wollan]

This is the most WTF + 2001 I have ever seen TV go. Two week episode break needed for analysis for sure on my part. I am only a third into The Secret History book currently so finishing that and then deep-diving into the various discussions.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

This is what sucks if you liked TP and even had hope it would be continued beyond this season. The show's ratings are already abysmal and episodes like this should worry you that more people will give up on watching. What incentive does Showtime have to make more Twin Peaks at this point? It was already a big risk for them as it is.

You know the one thing I, as a viewer, don’t think? “I really wish the creators would focus more on being commercially successful so showtime is more likely to fund future, compromised episodes”.

 

[Chumley]

This is what sucks if you liked TP and even had hope it would be continued beyond this season. The show's ratings are already abysmal and episodes like this should worry you that more people will give up on watching. What incentive does Showtime have to make more Twin Peaks at this point? It was already a big risk for them as it is.

I don't think Lynch intended to continue it past this season. This is it.

 

[brandonh83]

I legit thought Dark Coop was going to die and then Dougie would wake up in the scene after NiN.

pffft you're not gonna get it that easily!

Here's something I've immediately wondered after seeing the new episode though. The season is called Twin Peaks: The Return. Now, about halfway through we have an info dump episode right before a two week hiatus.

I'm not part of the audience that is clamoring for this season to go back to being like the first two seasons, but I've been hoping that the first half intentionally throws everyone off and it slowly works its way back to being like the original stuff.

Whether or not it does this, I have no idea. I'm going to guess that not really at any point does this new season hit the same exact personality of the first two seasons, but again calling it "The Return" does kinda raise some flags. It kind of feels like Lynch is wanting to do his own thing, his way, but that will eventually build toward something of that familiarity.

It would go down in history if after this break, the next succession of episodes were decidedly more "Twin Peaks" after the first half being different, then the episode before the break being a huge info dump, then after the break it's like whoa what the fuck this feels familiar!

So that'd be interesting. But we'll see.

 

[Beer Monkey]

I don't think Lynch intended to continue it past this season. This is it.

The Mark Frost book coming out after the season ends is literally called "Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier".

This is the end. It has been funded, all the principle photography is done, and there will never be any more nor was there ever a plan to possibly make more.

The train has left the station and there is no stopping it.

 

[Chumley]

pffft you're not gonna get it that easily!

Here's something I've immediately wondered after seeing the new episode though. The season is called Twin Peaks: The Return. Now, about halfway through we have an info dump episode right before a two week hiatus.

I'm not part of the audience that is clamoring for this season to go back to being like the first two seasons, but I've been hoping that the first half intentionally throws everyone off and it slowly works its way back to being like the original stuff.

Whether or not it does this, I have no idea. I'm going to guess that not really at any point does this new season hit the same exact personality of the first two seasons, but again calling it "The Return" does kinda raise some flags. It kind of feels like Lynch is wanting to do his own thing, his way, but that will eventually build toward something of that familiarity.

It would go down in history if after this break, the next succession of episodes were decidedly more "Twin Peaks" after the first half being different, then the episode before the break being a huge info dump, then after the break it's like whoa what the fuck this feels familiar!

So that'd be interesting. But we'll see.

Yeah. At some point I think we'll get a proper "Return" to Twin Peaks. Even if its just the very last episode. The gradual incorporation of Badalamenti music and Coop waking up has to be leading to something. With how batshit this season has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the end of it has an episode straight up filmed like the original series in every way right down to the cameras and 4:3 aspect ratio.

 

[FoneBone]

That was the most batshit, avant-garde thing I've ever seen on TV, and I fucking loved it. I'm unsure about retconning Laura Palmer as some kind of Chosen One, but I'll wait to see how that plays over the rest of the season.

 

[carda114]

The Mark Frost book coming out after the season ends is literally called "Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier".

This is the end. It has been funded, all the principle photography is done, and there will never be any more nor was there ever a plan to possibly make more.

The train has left the station and there is no stopping it.

To be fair, the Blu-ray set is called "The Entire Mystery," so.

 

[thequestion]

This show. Great stuff. So, this was basically Lynch revealing the answers to all the questions from twin peaks. Lodges. BOB. etc.

I wish George Lucas had called David Lynch when he had decided to explain what the 'force' was in phantom menace.

Twin Peaks season 3 is really, really special. Film-making as an art is on my television - sponsors and ratings be damned!

 

[The Silver]

Welp, pretty sure I've never seen anything quite like that on tv before. This show is breaking new ground for tv like the original did.

 

[Chumley]

Other thing about ratings, it's virtually guaranteed this thing has a long life after airing and becomes a cult classic.

Like, to me, it's so far beyond the original series in vision and art that I told my friend to just watch FWWM and then start this. She hasn't seen S1 and 2 and didn't have any strong desire to, but I think S3 is required viewing in a way the original show wasn't.

 

[Dusk Golem]

So my personal ranking so far, and trust me I know my thoughts are not the popular opinion but they're my own, to rank the 8 episodes aired so far, I would rank them:

8 > 2 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 5 > 1 > 4

So to go through my reasoning a bit,

Part 8 I absolutely adored the imagery, the unspoken narrative going on, the atmosphere, and it was littered with scenes I can already tell are going to stick with me. It had terrifying and beautiful moments in it. I think this episode produced the strangest, some of the most terrifying, and some of the most beautiful stuff in the series. I also felt Lynch managed to make one of the most terrifying 1950s-styled films towards the end of the episode, and before then the beauty of the Purple Ocean/White Lodge place stood out and the scenes that followed. The nuclear explosion was oddly beautiful and then terrifying... I liked it a lot, it was an episode which meshed well and delivered strong emotions of different sorts.

Part 2 I loved the scenes in the Black Lodge, I loved Coop's space trip, I loved the aftermath of Shaggy (cough) going to prison and his wife, and building up Mr. C as a very intimidating villain. There was a lot of great introductions and developments this episode. It's hard to put directly into words for me, but I adored the pacing of this episode, I loved the pay-off with the jail stuff and the first creepy look at the Woodsman, and the main plot of the episode following Cooper in the Lodge and Mr. C dealing with stuff in the real world, both sides were utterly engaging. Number of stand-out scenes for me. We also get introduced to the Evolved Arm and his doppelganger, which I love. Also can't forget that beautiful first Roadhouse outro with the always cool James.

Part 6 I think is maybe the most underrated episode of the show right now. I loved the scenes with the trailer park owner and the scene of the kid getting ran over had a profound effect on me and actually made me cry. The scene with the guy and the dime was utterly fascinating, tense, and strange. I actually really liked the Dougie scenes in this episode of him just drawing and presenting it to his boss, it entranced me. Janey-E's scenes in this episode won me over on the character, the introduction to Diane was great, and the Ike Spike murder spree was great. I even liked the wife scenes and seeing the cops a bit more, Hawk finding the restroom door pages, and the dialogue between them. I don't understand why so many are so down on this episode.

Part 3 so many people dislike, but I liked it a lot! I love the beginning Purple Ocean (White Lodge?) scene with Mother, space, Blue rose, etc. I love the Mr. C and Dougie stuff in this episode. I love Jade as a character and the scene of them leaving the Ranch. The Casino stuff went from being intriguing to sad to funny to tedious to funny again for me. I can understand the dislike, but I was enthralled. Many view the episode as the most strung out, but I found myself captivated from beginning to end. It probably helps I loved the purple ocean stuff, I loved Jade's character, I loved watching Dougie in the casino, and loved all the in-between stuff too.

Part 7 is the closest this show has gotten to classic Twin Peaks, a lot of exposition, quirky character moments, and a surprisingly fast pace in moving the plot forward. From getting to know Diane, who is a great character in my opinion, to getting more of the the police force, Hawk's speculation, Frank Truman's special desk monitor, and then the Cooper karate scene, the creepy scene with the Woodsman, the military scenes with Major Briggs, the funny opening with Jerry being high, the scenes with Ben Horne either being a gentleman or a creep, a good amount of Cole and Albert to enjoy, Andy being either a good or bad cop, and of course peanut sweeping. It's quirky, narrative-full, and sometimes very funny, other times emotional, and other times tense. I also admit it was somewhat cathartic to get answers to long standing questions from the season 2 finale.

Part 5 had its stand-out moments for me, I actually loved seeing Dougie go to work for one. But more so I loved a lot of the character stuff we saw, from Becky being drugged out, to Richard being a creepy-ass rapist, to the marvelous reveal of what the golden shovels was for and Dr. Jaco---Er, I mean "Amp's" livestreamed program. loved the scene with the mob in Vegas with the weird dancer girls and pummeling the guy, loved the kid with the bomb in the car and the car thieves trying to snatch it up. Of course can't forget the Brigg's stuff and the tape recorder related to Jefferies. I felt out of all the episodes this one felt the most disjointed with a lot of scenes from different parts playing, but it helped the tone and pacing of this particular episode.

Part 1 is the introduction and build-up, and they introduce a lot of things. the two main plots of this episode are the guy watching the box and Shaggy (cough) being suspected of murder while cops investigate an apartment and then a home. It took me a bit to get into it, but Shaggy (cough) gives off a terrific performance and the scenes work in an appropriately off-kilter sort of way. Also the thing in the box ends up being terrifying.

Part 4 has actually ended up being my least favorite, but I will like it a lot. I love the later stuff with Cole and Albert checking in on Mr. C in prison, that stuff is chilling, and it's very fun to see Cole and Albert interact. It's also fun seeing David's character again as head of the FBI, and seeing Bobby is a cop now and the beautiful return of Laura's theme as he see's her picture. And I don't hate the rest, but I dfo feel it has some of the weakest stuff of the series so far. Wally is fine, funny and long-winded. Dougie meeting his son, getting read for work, coffee is fun. Seeing Andy, Lucy, etc., again is fun. None of it is bad for me, but I just felt this episode was the weakest of the batch but still very good, a lot to like about it.

But this is all just my opinion. I've loved the whole series so far and every episode so far, though.

 

[brandonh83]

This show. Great stuff. So, this was basically Lynch revealing the answers to all the questions from twin peaks. Lodges. BOB. etc.

I wish George Lucas had called David Lynch when he had decided to explain what the 'force' was in phantom menace.

Twin Peaks season 3 is really, really special. Film-making as an art is on my television - sponsors and ratings be damned!

lol Lucas didn't explain what the Force was in Episode 1, just that the Midichlorians or whatever are used by the Jedi at that time period to "measure" how in tune with the Force someone was. It didn't really provide any legit explanation and I think that's where people got confused. Telling me about Midichlorian levels or whatever tells me personally nothing about the Force, and this is kind of a point of the prequels altogether because once the Jedi fall in part three, Qui-Gon as a Force spirit or whatever basically re-teaches Obi-Wan and Yoda more about the spiritual Force rather than relying on scientifics.

And while I liked this episode a lot and dig the info dump, I wouldn't really say that these things are even remotely comparable.

 

[Dalek]

Welp, pretty sure I've never seen anything quite like that on tv before. This show is breaking new ground for tv like the original did.

I'm blown away this episode. 10/10 for me. There's never been anything like this on TV and provably never will be again.

 

[davepoobond]

that was certainly something.

im glad david lynch finally got to make the nine inch nails music video he always wanted to

 

[Tron 2.0]

I think anyone hoping for more of the old show are going to be sorely disappointed. Lynch had the opportunity to do more "traditional" Twin Peaks shortly after the original series ended when he made FWWM, and that movie opens with a television exploding—old Twin Peaks is never coming back.

Personally this seems like a better route, even though I understand fans being frustrated, because revival series are always disappointing. TV shows are a specific alchemy that capture a specific moment in time. It's impossible to recapture that magic decades later.

Frost and Lynch aren't even trying, and I think we're better for it. A more "faithful" continuation would be doomed.

 

[Chumley]

that was certainly something.

im glad david lynch finally got to make the nine inch nails music video he always wanted to

Trent looked pretty cool with those gloves and outfit.

 

[sphagnum]

imagine the feelings of long-suffering star wars fans (back before the recent ones) if when it finally came back, instead of giving the majority what they wanted it catered to midichlorian apologists.

I'd love that.

 

[brandonh83]

I'm a Midichlorian "apologist" I guess because I get that Midichlorians don't explain the Force fuckin' whatsoever.

 

[RoyaleDuke]

This is just a sequel to eraserhead isn't it?

Good lord this is probably the most amazing thing to ever grace television.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

Other thing about ratings, it's virtually guaranteed this thing has a long life after airing and becomes a cult classic.

Like, to me, it's so far beyond the original series in vision and art that I told my friend to just watch FWWM and then start this. She hasn't seen S1 and 2 and didn't have any strong desire to, but I think S3 is required viewing in a way the original show wasn't.

Now I've heard everything

 

[davepoobond]

I think anyone hoping for more of the old show are going to be sorely disappointed. Lynch had the opportunity to do more "traditional" Twin Peaks shortly after the original series ended when he made FWWM, and that movie opens with a television exploding—old Twin Peaks is never coming back.

Personally this seems like a better route, even though I understand fans being frustrated, because revival series are always disappointing. TV shows are a specific alchemy that capture a specific moment in time. It's impossible to recapture that magic decades later.

Frost and Lynch aren't even trying, and I think we're better for it. A more "faithful" continuation would be doomed.

Early on I was already of the mind set that we aren't going to get answers to anything, nothing will be resolved fully, and things will go on forever. This was the original plan for the Twin Peaks show. Now David Lynch is truly making the Twin Peaks that fulfills that initial plan.

This is all cathartic filmmaking for him IMO

 

[overcast]

Just terrific.

Only funny part was the credits where NIN were credited as "The" Nine Inch Nails

 

[Koyuga]

That was just 20 minutes of David Lynch fucking with the music visualizers on his laptop. And I loved it.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Do I win a NeoGAF medal for predicting NIN would perform 'She's Gone Away?'

I thought Mr C getting shot would have forced BOB back into the Lodge, causing Dougie to wake up. But nope.

I'd be lying if I said I enjoyed that episode. There were great moments, like creepy gotta light lincoln soot guy, and creature from the desert I presume to be BOB by the way it moves (like when he's climbing over the sofa) but it was ten minutes of story dragged out for the entire episode.

Lynch has set up countless new plot threads, still has unresolved cliffhangers from season two, yet here's an hour of TV from the Eraserhead part of his brain. I may see it differently when it's all over, but for now I found it frustrating as fuck.

Is the 1945 nuke the same picture Cole has on his wall?

 

[Dalek]

By the way-I watch with the subtitles on because I watch late at night when everyone else is asleep.

In the first episode, The Giant and Cooper are listening to that phonograph and the subtitles said something like "ominous scratching sound". It said the same thing tonight with the Soot Men when they were terrorizing the people in cars- "ominous scratching sound"

 

[Chumley]

By the way-I watch with the subtitles on because I watch late at night when everyone else is asleep.

In the first episode, The Giant and Cooper are listening to that phonograph and the subtitles said something like "ominous scratching sound". It said the same thing tonight with the Soot Men when they were terrorizing the people in cars- "ominous scratching sound"

Yup, I recognized it too. It's a very creepy music que.

 

[brandonh83]

This episode gave me... a bit more context to the soot dudes like randomly being around in other scenes, like in the morgue. Whaaaa

 

[Dalek]

This episode gave me... a bit more context to the soot dudes like randomly being around in other scenes, like in the morgue. Whaaaa

So when Dark Cooper was shot, they all swarm out of nowhere and stab him over and over again to remove Bob? Did I interpret that correctly?

 

[brandonh83]

So when Dark Cooper was shot, they all swarm out of nowhere and stab him over and over again to remove Bob? Did I interpret that correctly?

I guess I just meant like... the existence of them, why we keep seeing them in random places. I can't explain who or what they are, or the motive just yet.