RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
What if, in this alternate universe where Laura Palmer is Carrie Page, Catherine is Tojamura?
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Twin Peaks Season 3 |OT2| It's Just A Change, Not An End
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Necron
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You and me both... I just thought the word "no" in my mind repeatedly.
Having slept on it, I'm beginning to accept this ending more and more.
I'm glad we got to hear Mike say this one last time:
Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see, one chants out between two worlds, fire walk with me!
Fried Food
Banned
love the music in that scene lol
Loved the line 'Wait... what year is it?'
So good, and funnily enough literally seconds before me and my gf had been shouting
and laughing
In an interview about it pre-release Lynch said he and Frost had been working on it for four years.
I'm not really on board with m/any of these theories, but you don't work on something for 6+ years all in and have it be total nonsense. There WILL be some internal logic to it, it's just the most dense and obtuse Lynch has ever made.
That said, the more I consider The Return as a modern-day Beckett work, the more I like it.
So good, and funnily enough literally seconds before me and my gf had been shouting
and laughing
In an interview about it pre-release Lynch said he and Frost had been working on it for four years.
I'm not really on board with m/any of these theories, but you don't work on something for 6+ years all in and have it be total nonsense. There WILL be some internal logic to it, it's just the most dense and obtuse Lynch has ever made.
That said, the more I consider The Return as a modern-day Beckett work, the more I like it.
Not sure there was much difference, the actor just pumped up for the earlier scene and in that he wasn't.
31GhostsIV
Banned
The bank explosion wasn't Earle, it was part of the Packard fake-death story that began before Laura's death in the timeline. Thomas Eckhart caused that explosion and left the puzzle box that lead to it.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I can perfectly envision Richard/Dale and Carrie/Laura traversing a much changed Twin Peaks, with its own set of mysteries, with Gordon Cole as a bermuda-wearing pimp cracking one-liners, in season 4. They need to make this happen.
musings:
1) When Richard/Coop and Carrie were driving through TP, we get a shot of the RR. Was it missing all of the RR2GO dressings that the RR of 2017 had?
2) Did anyone else get the vibe that Coop (or someone else, like Briggs) has time-traveled before? There was that pretty huge info dump by Gordon Cole at the start of 17, Coop having incredible knowledge of everything happening after he woke up (until 18), and all of these off-screen interactions between Coop, Cole, and Briggs. Plus "Two Birds with one stone" being mentioned in Coop's message to Cole that happened off-screen in Season 2, despite Coop not having that conversation with the Giant/Fireman until 25 years later. Not to mention all of the very minor plot discrepancies in Secret History, which could be accounted for if they were for a Twin Peaks in a slightly different timeline.
1) When Richard/Coop and Carrie were driving through TP, we get a shot of the RR. Was it missing all of the RR2GO dressings that the RR of 2017 had?
2) Did anyone else get the vibe that Coop (or someone else, like Briggs) has time-traveled before? There was that pretty huge info dump by Gordon Cole at the start of 17, Coop having incredible knowledge of everything happening after he woke up (until 18), and all of these off-screen interactions between Coop, Cole, and Briggs. Plus "Two Birds with one stone" being mentioned in Coop's message to Cole that happened off-screen in Season 2, despite Coop not having that conversation with the Giant/Fireman until 25 years later. Not to mention all of the very minor plot discrepancies in Secret History, which could be accounted for if they were for a Twin Peaks in a slightly different timeline.
Corpsepyre
Banned
It just hit me. Did we ever find out what that beeping box was that disappeared in one of the earlier episodes?
Nope. But it almost looked like it turned into a seed.
bishopcruz
Member
If I wasn't clear, I mean do we ever see Mr. C smile in the new series. I know he did when we saw him in the original finale and FWWM, but he is completely different in Season 3.
Which again, I attribute to him creating Dougie. The Tulpa has most of his emotions, most of his soul while Mr. C is diminished, he is single minded. He takes no joy from anything. That's not who we see at the end of Season 2 at all.
And we see the same thing happen to Dale when he creates HIS Dougie. Once that happens he starts acting with a single minded focus, in essence a 'good' Mr. C from then on.
Well, he had that sick ": - )" text, which successfully managed to be as creepy as his old smiles.
It gotta count for something man.
edit :
And for the record, he did smile in The Return, including in this episode 17. Just not "maniacally laughing" or full teeth smiles.
All the Judy stuff makes me look at FWWM in a new light. Previously when Jeffries says that they're not gonna talk about Judy and Coop yells "Gordon!" I thought it was just because he was like "Hey Gordon, he's gone nuts" but now I wonder if he was actually freaking out thinking Jeffries didn't want to go through with their Anti-Judy plan.
That was me watching Mulholland Drive.
And to be fair, Twin Peaks: The Return ending it's like a remix from Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive.
iShouldGoPro
Member
holy shit, did we talk about this theory yet?
Beating Judy once and for all
this is actually really good
Beating Judy once and for all
this is actually really good
This is great and I love that this interpretation can feel just as correct as my own, or your own, or anybody else's.
Sora the Cat
Member
Yay, happy ending. I'm sticking with this one for now.
It's not how I've worded it in here because I'm not that smart
, and I don't think Judy is actually straight up defeated at the end, though I hadn't noticed you could look at it from a "the power going out signals a victory against evil" angle, but I'm very much of the belief right now that Laura wakes up from a Judy induced dream at the end, and that this is actually a good thing. Now I'm also desperate for a happier ending, I'm not gonna deny that, but even so trying to ignore those urges it still feels very right to me. Especially now that the electricity connection has been pointed out to me.
Judy is absolutely not defeated, but that dimension might be.
I believe they broke free and are ready to actually confront Judy now.
But it doesn't explain why Cooper was tracked by Judy and why it killed the couple in New York...
Maybe the Frog is just a sort of duplicate of Judy but not the source of all evil itself. Still is too dangerous for our world though.
I believe they broke free and are ready to actually confront Judy now.
But it doesn't explain why Cooper was tracked by Judy and why it killed the couple in New York...
Maybe the Frog is just a sort of duplicate of Judy but not the source of all evil itself. Still is too dangerous for our world though.
Just watched E17/18. 17 is kind of silly (green-fist-punch guy's boxing match wit BOB, c'mon!), but 18 is legit great, a fantastic pilot for a possible S4 (or a S2-like "evil prevails" ending to S3).
Lynch is Lynch, and past 70, he is still himself. A very strange / unique 18 hours of television, thanks David!
Lynch is Lynch, and past 70, he is still himself. A very strange / unique 18 hours of television, thanks David!
plagiarize
Banned
The RR to go signage is absolutely missing in part 18 and was absolutely on the building when that scene was shot. In other words, it was purposefully digitally removed from the shot.
an indicator to me that this is Laura's dream - she knows about the RR, and brought it with her into her dream, but (unless I'm misremembering) the To Go aspect didn't exist until after her death, so she wouldn't know to add it.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
Was the bug (Judy) inside Sarah all along, lying dormant, but if Laura is saved and reunited with Sarah, Judy will have no Garmonbozia (pain and sorrow) to feast upon, it'll just be a dormant bug inside a happy mother? Was that Coopers plan to defeat it?
Well, luckily for them it seems being nonexistent defaults you to the white lodge
homelessbaby
Member
I loved that ending, and it leaves me with much more profound questions (that are more fascinating for the answers they suggest than any actual solution would be) than the S2 finale or FWWM. As much as I'll miss it, I'm not sure it could ever feel this way again. I don't think you can do a second season of a show called The Return.
There was such an imperative, looking back, to see a long hard journey back to Twin Peaks for Cooper, Dougie's story, how things had changed or stayed the same, and just diving further into the world this show offers.
I'm just not sure, emotionally, how many stones are left to overturn. I see people talking about multiple universes but this has never been sci-fi in my mind. I cannot contemplate the version of the show people postulate, where there's no reality anymore and it's just freewheeling Part 3 type shenanigans. I also don't really see how Cooper can go back after this.
Really excited for a Lynch renaissance, but also what a swan song this could be? It's better than Mulholland Drive, imo.
There was such an imperative, looking back, to see a long hard journey back to Twin Peaks for Cooper, Dougie's story, how things had changed or stayed the same, and just diving further into the world this show offers.
I'm just not sure, emotionally, how many stones are left to overturn. I see people talking about multiple universes but this has never been sci-fi in my mind. I cannot contemplate the version of the show people postulate, where there's no reality anymore and it's just freewheeling Part 3 type shenanigans. I also don't really see how Cooper can go back after this.
Really excited for a Lynch renaissance, but also what a swan song this could be? It's better than Mulholland Drive, imo.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Really feels like somebody just wanted to start from "Cooper won" and then made a theory up to back it.
Laura clearly "wakes up", but to me all that means is Cooper absolutely failed in his plan to "save" her.
Corpsepyre
Banned
For all we know, it could be something totally random and that girl would never be mentioned ever again, even if there is some season 4. Lynch loves randomness in his work, as is evidenced by a plethora of unconnected scenes and characters in Mulholland Drive.
As for the theory above, I think we need to pack it up and call it a day. The guy cracked it. I think it's the perfect scenario and makes a whole lotta sense.
everything in mulholland drive makes sense though
Corpsepyre
Banned
A lot does, and some doesn't. Michael J Anderson, for one.
Her face appears in every episode during the opening credits. Is that enough to get credit?
Corpsepyre
Banned
Her face appears in every episode during the opening credits. Is that enough to get credit?
I guess the name's always there to emphasize the importance of the character for Lynch.
MJA represents the unseen imagined "Hollywood elite" that makes all the choices behind the scene. It's not Diane's fault she didn't get the roles she auditioned for, it's because this mysterious force operating behind the scenes forced the director to choose someone else. It's something Diane dreams of as a way to not take any responsibility for her failing career.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Fantastic writeup, not sure if posted yet:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2017/09/twin_peaks_the_return_s_finale_reviewed.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2017/09/twin_peaks_the_return_s_finale_reviewed.html
Glad to see more and more people come over to the "good ending" side.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I totally believe the diary thing.
Odessa is Laura's dream. Everything else in the series (barring Audrey's dream) is real.
the phonograph being the diary unlocking also makes perfect sense with its use in 17/18. You hear it in 17 when Laura disappears, and in 18 when she remembers everything. The diary reminds her of a suffering and trauma that can never be erased.
I don't buy it. If Laura existed only in Richard's dream then how would she remember herself at the end.
Odessa is Laura's dream. Everything else in the series (barring Audrey's dream) is real.
the phonograph being the diary unlocking also makes perfect sense with its use in 17/18. You hear it in 17 when Laura disappears, and in 18 when she remembers everything. The diary reminds her of a suffering and trauma that can never be erased.
Oh, that's really neat
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
This really doesn't make sense on any level. If all of Twin Peaks was Richard's dream why is Carrie screaming at the end and why are "Tremond" and "Chalfont" showing up in the "real" world.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Twin Peaks but without Context (S3 spoilers)
https://youtu.be/j8-KTdNdizE
For some reason Harry's "Never got to China" killed me.
https://youtu.be/j8-KTdNdizE
For some reason Harry's "Never got to China" killed me.
If season 4 never gets made this what I'm going to choose to believe actually happened.
That's what I'm talking about! Haha
Next level dissection. Bring them on.
So I just got home and was able to do this now. Still have no idea if it was backwards or not, due to the result really not amounting to much.
If you want to hear for yourself:
https://soundcloud.com/x-112/twinpeakspart18credits
https://soundcloud.com/x-112/twinpeakspart18creditsbackwards
