BurnOutBrighter
Banned
I'll accept it if that's what it means for Twitch and broadcasters to follow the law.
I don't know why so many people are acting like this is some kind of nightmare scenario and that it will be the death of streaming.
Twitch: Changes To Audio In VODS
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I'll accept it if that's what it means for Twitch and broadcasters to follow the law.
I don't know why so many people are acting like this is some kind of nightmare scenario and that it will be the death of streaming.
Not really. The entire site isn't going to jump ship and Google will just use their money and resources to keep them above the competition.
Because it's flagging in-game music, which per the statement they put out is intentional. Even if their flagging system was working accurately right now (it's not), if you're saying some games can't even be allowed to stream with purely unedited in-game audio what is the fucking point of streaming?
Ultimately the bigger issue is probably the non-permanent archiving and 2-hour cutoff (both of which aggressively screw over speedrunners, particularly those with games that run longer than that). It's a combination of all of these factors; literally none of this improves the user experience, it makes it actively worse.
Why does everything need to turn to shit? I remember the days of nice JustinTV game streams: They were simple, no one begging for donations and friendships/communities were established. Later, Twitch was started and focused solely on games. Cool at first, but they slowly started monetizing and streamers began plastering their screen with donations, face cams and too much useless overlays. And now we have this.
I miss the simple day of game streams. You had the game and the streamer talking into the mic. That's it.
I miss the simple day of game streams. You had the game and the streamer talking into the mic. That's it.
When given the chance to make money people will do crazy things to help them stand out.
People will do this even in the absence of money. Money just makes it more egregious.
I think it would take more than that when you still have the big eSport and Minecraft coverage on Twitch.
Agreed 100%.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
Shots fired.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
PandaPandaPanda
Member
this
people used to stream because they wanted to-FOR FUN. When the twitch transition happened, I pretty much stopped watching streams less and less
Haunted
Member
Don't worry, the vod will get deleted in a couple weeks anyway. No more save forever option.
SHIFTYkiwi
Member
Halo streams are getting screwed by this.
Last 30 mins of my halo speedrun is muted http://www.twitch.tv/shifty_time/c/4802765
The runs only a hour 30 long.
Last 30 mins of my halo speedrun is muted http://www.twitch.tv/shifty_time/c/4802765
The runs only a hour 30 long.
SneakyStephan
Banned
lol
fuck google
and BYEBITCH TWITCH
fuck google
and BYE
lol, nice one
As if the official news wasn't terrible enough.
Live broadcasts are next on their list.
And who thought that the Twitch buyout was a good idea?
PhoenixDawn
Member
The video game music getting VODs muted is pretty bullshit, hopefully that gets overturned sometime or more game companies start to take away the copyright claims. With regards to the non gaming music (including licensed tracks in games I guess, reluctantly though) it makes sense that Twitch wants to take at least some action against that. They don't want to get their asses sued off when the stupid music industry finally realizes Twitch has grown so much and has a ton of money/potential and risk getting shut down/severely stunted. It leads to a pretty crappy situation, but with how screwed up and corrupt copyright laws are at the moment, Twitch has at least some reason for taking action against saving copyrighted non gaming music on its website.
Edit: That said, Google's Content ID system is pretty flawed, to say the least, so I'm a bit disappointed Twitch went with that approach to address the situation.
Edit: That said, Google's Content ID system is pretty flawed, to say the least, so I'm a bit disappointed Twitch went with that approach to address the situation.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Oh man, it was nice knowing you twitch. Such a shame.
this shit literally comes on everytime I'm in a lobby, I feel like it has to be a inside joke
What is a reasonable excerpt?
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
If this is indicative of Google buying them, why didn't they use Youtube's content ID scanning?
Isn't the service Twitch is using in fact the same one as Youtube?
PhoenixDawn
Member
Man, the Twitch AMA is going to be a real shit show tomorrow, and rightfully so.
TheAbsolution
Member
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I expect the worst. I'm hoping that well get at the very least a decent response from someone at Twitch as to what's going on at the very least.
codswallop
Member
It's only in-game music if 1) it's considered copyrighted and 2) the copyright owner has submitted the music to Audible Magic's databases:
https://www.audiblemagic.com/content-databases/
So, licensed GTA music, possibly. But Civ 5's theme? Probably not, unless 2K has decided it doesn't want fair use.
In that sort of case, should you complain to Twitch for upholding laws and the requests of rightsholders, or to the content owner, since they're the ones who ultimately decide they don't want you to use their music?
Emperor Bohe
Member
signed up for a hitbox account. this site looks pretty dope actually.
KillerIsJed
Member
Looks like Curse of the NecroDancer is getting all their music flagged, even though they have never submitted it anywhere, according to their Tweets.
Also, looks like you can't even play Doom now without being muted.
Looks like silent gaming is the new hip thing, fuck the talkies!
Also, looks like you can't even play Doom now without being muted.
Looks like silent gaming is the new hip thing, fuck the talkies!
SoulUnison
Banned
The average song is 3-4 minutes. But, sure, ruin 30 minutes of video, that's not a gross over reaction, or anything.
codswallop
Member
You'd think that if you know what content it's matched, that it should know the duration, so even if you account for an extra 100% of that (adding some to the start and some to the end to cover for it), you're not even at a third of that 30 minutes. Odd stuff. I wonder if Twitch will provide the opportunity to put other audio in its place, like perhaps the Benny Hill theme.
If I hold a house party and decide to charge a $5 entry fee, that doesn't mean anything copywritten in that party (music, games, sport broadcasts, videos, whatever) gets to be removed from it at the discretion of the copyright holder.
Twitch streams are basically digital house parties centered particularly around one individual's gaming conquests (For the most part - there are exceptions, like VGCW and TPP).
It's fair use.
Well, they used it back then. It is unclear if they still use it or not. I Would think if they had a customer as big as google, they would probably list them among their customers on their website. Then again, maybe Google asked them to keep it confidential. It's impossible to say without more information.
PhoenixDawn
Member
It's a shitty ham-handed way of doing it, but they block the whole 30 minutes of video because I think they save the VODs in smaller 30 minute chunks on their servers. So it's easy for them to just mute the whole 30 minute chunk rather than selectively mute it as they should.
ebullientprism
Member
RIP in peace Twitch.
Fragamemnon
Member
Virtually impossible to do once it is encoded for user display and recording. The way that Twitch could work around storing the copyright infringement would be to support protocols to their servers with separate audio streams so that you could configure you mic on one stream and the music on another. This has a side benefit of allowing users to mute your terrible music (hi EternalEnvy and Arteezy ) if they don't like it by muting the music stream. The VOD would filter out the copyright violations on a per-audio stream basis.
That's a lot of work on the server side. I'm sure more important things are planned for the tech team such as Google+ Hangout support, VEVO user integration, Chrome browser notification support, and new PastaSense ad technology support to trick you into copying and pasting ads into chat instead of the latest donger faces.
Hmm I really wonder what they're using then. Both seem pretty terrible though.
Gotta be careful about those Dream Theater songs lasting 17 minutes long.
Fraser from Video Games Awesome made a vlog about this whole thing. He's been talking to twitch people all day on the phone so it might be an interesting watch.
It's also a bit ranty since he was just offered a pretty cool sponsorship deal with Twitch, and now he's not sure what to do since he's obviously against this content ID stuff. He kinda wants to go ahead with it, but he doesn't want to be seen like he fully supports Twitch either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXDNJLGfXkw
It's also a bit ranty since he was just offered a pretty cool sponsorship deal with Twitch, and now he's not sure what to do since he's obviously against this content ID stuff. He kinda wants to go ahead with it, but he doesn't want to be seen like he fully supports Twitch either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXDNJLGfXkw
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