Twitch: Changes To Audio In VODS
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So I'm the only one that goes into Twitch archives and rips the sound off of VODs convert it to MP3 so I can listen to some sweet fucking Eminem Loose Yourself while a nerd speaks over it with keyboard and background sounds ?
mysteriousmage09
Member
Be prepared to lose a fuck ton of users and money twitch.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
Can't really blame them, 1 billion is a pretty difficult offer to refuse. Set for life and all that.
xBladeM6x
Member
Could try downloading the video, and seeing if it's still muted.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Heck, didn't some company re-record the amen break to sound like the original and copyrighted it?
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
This isn't horrible so long as the actual live broadcast isn't being messed with. It sucks that some archived footage will be muted, but twitch has been and always will be about the live content first and foremost.
They do need to straighten out the whole "in game music" thing though. It's one thing to mute an archived stream for playing copyrighted music on top of a game, but if the music is in the game then that shouldn't be a problem. Fix that shit twitch.
They do need to straighten out the whole "in game music" thing though. It's one thing to mute an archived stream for playing copyrighted music on top of a game, but if the music is in the game then that shouldn't be a problem. Fix that shit twitch.
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Deleted member 74300
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Don't worry it's now the Atari Jaguar version!
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
Anybody with half a brain could see that this would eventually happen. It appears that he's actually one of the few streamers out there that understands reality.
People who are saying that they're going over to Hitbox with the expectation that it'll be different are sorely mistaken. Eventually Hitbox will be dealing with the exact same shit Twitch is.
lol
Anyone with half a brain would not have a system the picks up their own twitch channel or content that is not even meant to be in that database (like the Crypt of the Necrodancer or DOTA2 soundtack)!
I don't understand why there needs to be a 30 minute mute.
Are streamers at least informed of exactly what content in their video triggered a violation?
Why can't Twitch just hide behind the DMCA Safe Harbor provision, and require that copyright holders submit takedown notifications?
Are streamers at least informed of exactly what content in their video triggered a violation?
Why can't Twitch just hide behind the DMCA Safe Harbor provision, and require that copyright holders submit takedown notifications?
then people will switch to the next service. and the cycle repeats.
What separates this from Youtube is that
1.) Unlike when Youtube was bought, Twitch's foundation is a pile of rotten garbage.
2.) Twitch is ruled and watched by nerds. If your favorite speed runner is moving their stream over to Hitbox.tv or wherever, you're following them. The streaming community aren't a bunch of moms uploading cat videos. They're tech aware and their presence exists OUTSIDE of Twitch.
so uh, yeah, google just wasted a billion dollars. weird!
1.) Unlike when Youtube was bought, Twitch's foundation is a pile of rotten garbage.
2.) Twitch is ruled and watched by nerds. If your favorite speed runner is moving their stream over to Hitbox.tv or wherever, you're following them. The streaming community aren't a bunch of moms uploading cat videos. They're tech aware and their presence exists OUTSIDE of Twitch.
so uh, yeah, google just wasted a billion dollars. weird!
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
What do you mean that it's not supposed to be in the database? Did the owners of the music not consent to having it in the database?
But yes, I agree that there needs to be a way to figure out if the music is coming from the game or not. I wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to that! First thought is that the streamer would have to properly tag which game they're currently playing so that particular music is white listed.
Wonder how many services can afford the massive storage requirements that Twitch currently provides and especially how long those will stay online seeing as they most likely will have to go through a third party to provide that sort of storage capability.Valtýr;124309502 said:
Subtervotion
Member
Just tried. Still muted. I am so glad I downloaded my 2 hour run of TLOU: Left Behind on survivor with all trophies completed. For no reason it has two instances (1 hour) of muted audio.
This is sort of insane. I was playing Fallout New Vegas
Link to Past Broadcast Here
and some song came on the radio inside the game and I got muted for half of a full hour. This happened about 2 hours into the video. In the beginning I was playing a stream intro song (usually, it's just a song off the FO soundtrack) and that flagged it too. But the thing that bothers me is that some games have music in the background and now 30 minutes of content are just silenced. It's horrible.
Link to Past Broadcast Here
and some song came on the radio inside the game and I got muted for half of a full hour. This happened about 2 hours into the video. In the beginning I was playing a stream intro song (usually, it's just a song off the FO soundtrack) and that flagged it too. But the thing that bothers me is that some games have music in the background and now 30 minutes of content are just silenced. It's horrible.
Because when you have contracts on the table that offer mad $$$, you do what they say or else.
That's not going to happen, twitch is gonna get blown up by "famous" YouTubers that will bring in a bigger audience. Think of pewdiepiew's streams? And league of legends is gonna stay there. And lets say hitbox.tv becomes a hit how long will it be until google buys them out or finds out about them being a threat. Google made livestream on YouTube didnt work out, just buys twitch to save time. Has a dedicated fan base already established.
The way LethalFrag explains it, the content ID system will flag any music that it can't identify. Which is fucking insane to me.
That can't be true can it? Apparently if I wrote and recorded a completely new song tomorrow and featured it in a stream, I'd get muted.
Subtervotion
Member
Whats really weird is when I streamed my TLOU multi, another GAFer I was with also was streaming. His videos included all our voices though. He doesn't have any audio muting instances. We were in all the same games and loading screens, just different perspectives.
TheAbsolution
Member
Likes like its time to start locally recording everything. It's the only way moving forward to save your own content. Plus HDD/Cloud space is relatively cheap
Twitch becoming a weird "League of Legends and Youtube Pals!" stream site seems likely. But this isn't a case where if you were just on Daily Motion you were irrelevant. MetroidMan64 will notify his fans on twitter put up a "GO TO MY HITBOX CHANNEL HTTP:ETCETC" on twitch, and said fans will watch him on Hitbox from now on. Hitbox.tv and uStream will thrive off of this dumbfuckery. And if Google buys out Hitbox? Even funnier. Google spends more money, nerds move somewhere else, that place thrives. Repeat until Google gives up and sends drones to kill said nerds.
Zomba13
Member
That can't be true because music is just soundwaves so if it doesn't know what the music (Sound) is and flags it it would flag every video because it wouldn't have a random dudes voice saying random things on record.
Yup. Already watching Peaches speed run Kid Chameleon on hitbox right now.
"It's not meant to be "hitbox is the savior", not to undermine their efforts though, it's that I've been dealing with a lot of terrible things over at twitch for awhile. This recent event just made me pull the trigger. Unless there's massive change over there I don't know what I'm going to do with Twitch. All I've wanted from twitch is for it to work. A streaming service that just works. So yeah, I want to trust again"
"Not everyone is going to leave Twitch though, they can get massive revenue and they will stick with their decision even if it means putting up with even more abuse."
Slightly paraphrasing from his live stream as he brought it up awhile ago. Last part on trust is him half joking but understandable.
I do wonder how many more may leave.
I hope so, either that or google learns from their mistakes but that is 99% unlikely. Does anyone know is the support staff at twitch is staying? Atleast I was able to contact them if I had issues. Not im scared ill be completely cut off.
Subtervotion
Member
I guess I'm switching to ustream since I dont have a capture card and have to go through ps4.
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
That doesn't sound right.
From the Twitch blog post:
"The Audible Magic technology will scan for third party music in 30 minute blocks if Audible Magic does not detect its clients music, that portion of the VOD will not be muted. If third party audio is detected anywhere in the 30-minute scanned block, the entire 30 minutes will be muted."
http://blog.twitch.tv/2014/08/3136/
well, Steiner84 had a good run.
bruh
ChosenPredator
Banned
Seeing alot of big streamers defending it with some good points, I have a feeling it's going to get worse though and if anything this will help hitbox.tv immensley so if you've been grinding out and streaming there it will benefit you because im pretty sure this isn't the last negative hit that will go towards twitch
I don't expect big streamers to say anything at all with their huge subscribtions but the smaller just start up guys can move over.
I don't expect big streamers to say anything at all with their huge subscribtions but the smaller just start up guys can move over.
Yeah. Though I will say audio is still a big factor to me. Not the music, but the parts muted will often have a lot of the streamers talking and discussing with their chat or friends. Sometimes even some good tips or interesting things you didn't know about the game.
Many of them love interacting and answering questions. Having any of those parts muted is just wrong imo.
TheAbsolution
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Quadraphonic
Member
How fucking stupid are the people now running Twitch?
The previous people must be ready to jump ship because they can't be that fucking dumb to think their site would last if they implemented this shit.
There's absolutely no way any gamer or anybody under the age of 40 looked at what they were about to do and thought it was a good idea. The site is better off shut down than fucking censoring every game that includes licensed music.
That's pretty much every American AAA game. Bioshock Infinite? Better hope nothing good happens in a 30 minute window when tears are opened. Game intros? Anything iconic means that the first 30 minutes of an epic game are a waste.
It's just insane. AND even if they fix it, the trust is now broken. Between killing off their storage and the audio, the site has zero fucking respect now. Zero. None.
Whatever Google paid for Twitch has to have been just money they wanted to burn. Because their investment just turned to shit.
The previous people must be ready to jump ship because they can't be that fucking dumb to think their site would last if they implemented this shit.
There's absolutely no way any gamer or anybody under the age of 40 looked at what they were about to do and thought it was a good idea. The site is better off shut down than fucking censoring every game that includes licensed music.
That's pretty much every American AAA game. Bioshock Infinite? Better hope nothing good happens in a 30 minute window when tears are opened. Game intros? Anything iconic means that the first 30 minutes of an epic game are a waste.
It's just insane. AND even if they fix it, the trust is now broken. Between killing off their storage and the audio, the site has zero fucking respect now. Zero. None.
Whatever Google paid for Twitch has to have been just money they wanted to burn. Because their investment just turned to shit.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
This happens all the time on Youtube. Every single copyright strike I've received in the past 5 or so years (roughly 10 separate instances spanning dozens of my videos) has followed this template: "[Your video] has been flagged for copyright violations for having [this video game background song], claimed by [some group]." But the group who filed the claim has absolutely no right to claim the song in question.
I'll give you a concrete example. All the videos of my Phantasy Star IV playthrough got hit with copyright claims by "Vidzone" for including music by one of their artists named "Sideview." I think to myself, gee, it's kind of strange that I'm receiving notices from these people that I've never heard of instead of Sega, who actually owns the music in question. Time to do some research.
It turns out that Sideview is just some hack who literally steals video game music and sells it on digital storefronts himself. And for some reason, these songs are attributed to him in Youtube's ContentID database.
It's obnoxious. I've been able to eventually overturn every single one of these false flags, but it's not something I should have to do, and I suspect that at least part of the reason why I can eventually get these cases turned in my favor is because I'm a small-time nobody and there's nothing for these companies to actually gain by expending resources to fight me. If I was actually making decent bank and had millions of views on Youtube, I wonder if some of them would be more willing to drag my ass to court to get a slice of some of that revenue, or at least try to intimidate me into folding without actually contesting their claims.
So what happens to streams that feature games like GTA?
*checks Adam_ak's GTA Vice City broadcasts*
OMG they muted the fucking game. Fuck this shit.
*checks Adam_ak's GTA Vice City broadcasts*
OMG they muted the fucking game. Fuck this shit.
Quadraphonic
Member
I wonder how publishers are going to like this...
Every single Grand Theft Auto game is now 100% muted.
Twatch building to feature in gta6?
HarryDemeanor
Member
They're charging a site-wide subscription and they still remove your videos after two months! What a bargain!THIS IS FUCKING STUPID
Angry Fork
Member
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But not going to change as long as pro-business 2 party dictatorship is in charge.
Subtervotion
Member
I just dont see the mind set in this decision. Do they really think people are downloading a 30 minute stream to rip a 3 minute song out of it? Any song on youtube can be ripped so much easier. It completely baffles my mind.
What really pisses me off is that legitimate gameplay, with literally no external audio (that is to say all the audio comes from the game) has instances of muting.
What really pisses me off is that legitimate gameplay, with literally no external audio (that is to say all the audio comes from the game) has instances of muting.
SPACECADET
Member
THIS IS FUCKING STUPID
eh, as long as i have a month or so to catch up on the AGDQ+SGDQ marathons, i'm good.
uhh, sorry, what I actually ment was maggots..
Sorry, im not native english, and just saw that faggots is not what I ment.
Im sorry!
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