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[gunslikewhoa]

This is the kind of absolute fucking trash that can be labelled as ‘free speech’ by the hard of thinking, that does a great deal of harm.

If Musk seriously wants Twitter to succeed moving forward as a mainstream social media source, he most certainly needs to clamp down on this conspiracy laden, fake ass horseshit as quickly as possible.

OMG we're in danger.

 

[FunkMiller]

Why? Counter the Ideas. Silencing them just pushes them and their followers further into their beliefs.

What ideas? It's an hour of blatant lies and misinformation that can cause great harm.

 

[FunkMiller]

OMG we're in danger.

You and I might not be. But there are people out there who will believe this garbage and end up getting sick.

 

[Moneal]

What ideas? It's an hour of blatant lies and misinformation that can cause great harm.

Lies and misinformation are still ideas.

 

[analog_future]

How will he ever get by?

I mean, what a pathetic way to throw away that type of wealth.

 

[FunkMiller]

Lies and misinformation are still ideas.

No. They're lies and misinformation. I'm all for Twitter being somewhere where valid ideas and concepts can be argued and discussed. But if you're claiming it should be a place where lunatic conspiracy theorists are allowed to spew a load of shit to a bunch impressionable people, then it's not going to last long at all, is it? You think any sane company or individual is going to want to associate itself with that kind of environment?

 

[AJUMP23]

No platform is going to pass the purity test:


Post.news apparently accidentally sent activation emails to more people than intended. I haven't heard any dirt on that platform yet.

These people are mad at the dumbest things.

Call the thing HIVEMIND!

 

[gunslikewhoa]

You and I might not be. But there are people out there who will believe this garbage and end up getting sick.

Millions will die, I'm sure.

 

[FunkMiller]

Millions will die, I'm sure.

No. But some might. But I guess fuck them, as far as your concerned? Gotcha

 

[Meicyn]

No platform is going to pass the purity test:


Post.news apparently accidentally sent activation emails to more people than intended. I haven't heard any dirt on that platform yet.

After the dust settles, everyone will still be using Twitter. You’ll have a few folks who will insist on Linux DuckDuckGo Mastodon or whatever, but the big boys aren’t going anywhere.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Kraz]

This thread will continue to age like milk.

That picture suits a guy who has 'post-liberal West' in his bio, his opinion is probably as Moscow based.

Why? Counter the Ideas. Silencing them just pushes them and their followers further into their beliefs.

People have other shit to do in their lives. Changing services to one that doesn't platform them would be easiest.

 

[Mistake]

No. But some might. But I guess fuck them, as far as your concerned? Gotcha

As someone with conspiracy theorists in their family, shoving them under the rug instead of having them face the light of day makes it a lot worse, not better. If you actually care for these people, let them face scrutiny

 

[Moneal]

No. They're lies and misinformation. I'm all for Twitter being somewhere where valid ideas and concepts can be argued and discussed. But if you're claiming it should be a place where lunatic conspiracy theorists are allowed to spew a load of shit to a bunch impressionable people, then it's not going to last long at all, is it? You think any sane company or individual is going to want to associate itself with that kind of environment?

Yes, they are ideas. Wrong ideas, sure, but they are still ideas. They still need to be countered to help people that might believe them. As I said before, silencing them on major platforms just push them and people that believe them farther into them and to areas where they are not countered.

As for companies, has any company lost consumers because their ads were on social media sites where questionable content appeared? I know of none. We have seen calls for boycotts, but none actually happening.

 

[Moneal]

That picture suits a guy who has 'post-liberal West' in his bio, his opinion is probably as Moscow based.

People have other shit to do in their lives.

So, it's not important enough or just too lazy to put in the effort?

 

[Kraz]

So, it's not important enough or just too lazy to put in the effort?

It's easier to change services to one that doesn't platform the crazies.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Elon Musk's 2022 Wealth Loss Exceeds $100 Billion for First Time

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

After the dust settles, everyone will still be using Twitter. You’ll have a few folks who will insist on Linux DuckDuckGo Mastodon or whatever, but the big boys aren’t going anywhere.

Linux is dope yes

 

[FunkMiller]

Yes, they are ideas. Wrong ideas, sure, but they are still ideas. They still need to be countered to help people that might believe them. As I said before, silencing them on major platforms just push them and people that believe them farther into them and to areas where they are not countered.

As for companies, has any company lost consumers because their ads were on social media sites where questionable content appeared? I know of none. We have seen calls for boycotts, but none actually happening.

Nah. Lunatics who believe in conspiracy theory rubbish should be silenced at every opportunity. Especially when their conspiracies can lead to impressionable people getting hurt. Lines have to be drawn somewhere, and mentalists like that are definitely where that line should be drawn. There is no such thing as absolute free speech - for very good reason. Some people are just massive, nasty cunts who need shutting up.

And if Twitter is just going to allow them to spout any old garbage with no push back, then it'll certainly lose its advertising money in pretty short order. Because most people aren't conspiracy theory loons, and won't want to be associated with them.

 

[FunkMiller]

As someone with conspiracy theorists in their family, shoving them under the rug instead of having them face the light of day makes it a lot worse, not better. If you actually care for these people, let them face scrutiny

There's a marked difference between highlighting conspiracy theory for the lies and stupidity it is... and simply allowing people to advertise it on Twitter.

 

[analog_future]

As someone with conspiracy theorists in their family, shoving them under the rug instead of having them face the light of day makes it a lot worse, not better. If you actually care for these people, let them face scrutiny

Allowing these harmful "ideas" to fester is what got us in this mess in the first place. Anti-vax, microchips, MAGA, sharia law, etc.. and this isn't even the batshit insane shit like believing in paid actors at shootings, etc..

Harmful, dangerous, violent misinformation needs to be quashed quickly and regularly. You can't convince most believers with reason.

 

[Moneal]

Allowing these harmful "ideas" to fester is what got us in this mess in the first place. Anti-vax, microchips, MAGA, sharia law, etc.. and this isn't even the batshit insane shit like believing in paid actors at shootings, etc..

Harmful, dangerous, violent misinformation needs to be quashed quickly and regularly. You can't convince most believers with reason.

I agree, by presenting the truth and challenging them. Again silencing does nothing but entrenching believers.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

So, it's not important enough or just too lazy to put in the effort?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Harmful, dangerous, violent misinformation needs to be quashed quickly and regularly. You can't convince most believers with reason.

Quashed by who? People who believe in other types of "Harmful, dangerous, violent misinformation"?

 

[Mistake]

There's a marked difference between highlighting conspiracy theory for the lies and stupidity it is... and simply allowing people to advertise it on Twitter.

This is awfully dismissive, and only encourages the behavior you’re so worried about

Allowing these harmful "ideas" to fester is what got us in this mess in the first place. Anti-vax, microchips, MAGA, sharia law, etc.. and this isn't even the batshit insane shit like believing in paid actors at shootings, etc..

Harmful, dangerous, violent misinformation needs to be quashed quickly and regularly. You can't convince most believers with reason.

Sure, so they can believe they’re being oppressed and go off in their own echo chambers? Fester indeed

 

[FunkMiller]

This is awfully dismissive, and only encourage the behavior you’re so worried about

Dismissive?

There is no good reason to allow conspiracy theories to be advertised and promoted on Twitter with no pushback against them.

The only people that would advocate for such are people who want those conspiracy theories to be out in the public domain unchallenged.

And you’re damn right I’m dismissive of them. If you’re not, why?

 

[Mistake]

Dismissive?

There is no good reason to allow conspiracy theories to be advertised and promoted on Twitter with no pushback against them.

The only people that would advocate for such are people who want those conspiracy theories to be out in the public domain unchallenged.

And you’re damn right I’m dismissive of them. If you’re not, why?

Because I’m concerned for their health and wellbeing.

I’m not saying to have their opinions be front page news. And I didn’t say not to challenge them. Just let it exist and the rest will figure itself out

 

[Moneal]

Dismissive?

There is no good reason to allow conspiracy theories to be advertised and promoted on Twitter with no pushback against them.

The only people that would advocate for such are people who want those conspiracy theories to be out in the public domain unchallenged.

And you’re damn right I’m dismissive of them. If you’re not, why?

No pushback and unchallenged? It's literally what I was saying should be done. Pushback is countering the ideas, not banning them.

 

[analog_future]

I agree, by presenting the truth and challenging them. Again silencing does nothing but entrenching believers.

Once again, you can't convince most of these believers with reason.

If you could, you wouldn't have people still believing the Earth is flat or that school shootings are hoaxes or that the COVID vaccine is more dangerous than COVID itself or that COVID itself is a hoax or that Bill Gates wants to microchip us all or that Donald Trump is secretly fighting a cabal of vampiric elites that are trying to kill our children.

Presenting these people with reason and facts doesn't work. Period. It's like presenting an Evangelical Christian that doesn't believe in evolution with reason and facts. It's futile.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's not like the entire market isn't down... everywhere. Has nothing to do with Twitter.

 

[ManaByte]

I think Apple only tweets when an event is coming up & then they delete it afterwards thats the only time I'd see a tweet from them on my TL.

Yes.

 

[FunkMiller]

No pushback aand unchallenged? It's literally what I was saying should be done. Pushback is countering the ideas, not banning them.

You obviously didn’t read my post then. Again:

There's a marked difference between highlighting conspiracy theory for the lies and stupidity it is... and simply allowing people to advertise it on Twitter.

Twitter should ban the advertising of this type of conspiracy garbage - which they are not doing in this case. Neither are they providing pushback on it.

Musk would be a fool to allow these types of people to freely push their agendas without a response that actually tells the truth.

 

[NickFire]

Look at this spineless weasel. Dude clearly doesn't want to migrate, but the groupthink and peer pressure are palpable.

No way someone like him would just pretend they wanted to leave (during controversy) but not actually leave. I’m sure he deleted his account after that to stand on conviction. I just don’t believe he would pretend wanting to leave but still stay there. Just no way.

 

[Mistake]

You obviously didn’t read my post then. Again:

There's a marked difference between highlighting conspiracy theory for the lies and stupidity it is... and simply allowing people to advertise it on Twitter.

Twitter should ban the advertising of this type of conspiracy garbage - which they are not doing in this case. Neither are they providing pushback on it.

Musk would be a fool to allow these types of people to freely push their agendas without a response that actually tells the truth.

I’d take out all agenda driven advertising to be honest. Just keep it simple, like products

 

[DeepEnigma]

No way someone like him would just pretend they wanted to leave (during controversy) but not actually leave. I’m sure he deleted his account after that to stand on conviction. I just don’t believe he would pretend wanting to leave but still stay there. Just no way.

That little weasel has a pattern of helping uproot communities and moving them to a new platform, only for some trust fund baby to capitalize on them and sell all of them out.

Fight the power there, Jason! Your track record is impeccable.

 

[FunkMiller]

Because I’m concerned for their health and wellbeing.

I’m not saying to have their opinions be front page news. And I didn’t say not to challenge them. Just let it exist and the rest will figure itself out

That's the bit you can't just do... because people will watch it and believe it.

You can't just let conspiracy theory exist without counter evidence. And you sure as hell can't allow people to freely promote their conspiracies. Otherwise, what's to stop holocaust deniers telling thousands and thousands of people that it never happened, with fake evidence?

 

[Moneal]

Once again. You can't convince most of these believers with reason. If you could, you wouldn't have people still believing the Earth is flat or that school shootings are hoaxes or that the COVID vaccine is more dangerous than COVID itself or that COVID itself is a hoax or that Bill Gates wants to microchip us all or that Donald Trump is secretely fighting a cabal of vampiric elites that are trying to kill our children.

Presenting these people with reason and facts doesn't work. Period. It's like presenting an Evangelical Christian that doesn't believe in evolution with reason and facts. It's futile.

Well evolution and flat earth seem to be examples of truth and facts prevailing. You can't convince everyone, that is true. But the amount that believe in flat earth and the literal biblical account are tiny and insignificant compared to spherical earth and evolution.

You obviously didn’t read my post then. Again:

There's a marked difference between highlighting conspiracy theory for the lies and stupidity it is... and simply allowing people to advertise it on Twitter.

Twitter should ban the advertising of this type of conspiracy garbage - which they are not doing in this case. Neither are they providing pushback on it.

Musk would be a fool to allow these types of people to freely push their agendas without a response that actually tells the truth.

Twitter is a platform not the arbiters of truth. It is on the users to pushback, twitter has even given them the tools to do so.

 

[FunkMiller]

Twitter is a platform not the arbiters of truth. It is on the users to pushback, twitter has even given them the tools to do so.

You mean the users that the people watching the conspiracy theory videos never pay any attention to, or even see in their feeds?

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[rbanke]

It's all in the messaging.

 

[Moneal]

You mean the users that the people watching the conspiracy theory videos never pay any attention to, or even see in their feeds?

You think they will believe twitter? Or believe anyone who bans this type of thing. The chances of changing their minds is higher if the ideas are challenged over banning. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

 

[Tams]

You and I might not be. But there are people out there who will believe this garbage and end up getting sick.

I don'eigh what you're neigh on neeeeiiiighhh about neeiigh!

I do love me an apple or, especially, a sugar cube!

 

[FunkMiller]

You think they will believe twitter? Or believe anyone who bans this type of thing. The chances of changing their minds is higher if the ideas are challenged over banning. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.

You either provide counter evidence against the conspiracy right there and then, or you ban the promotion of it. Those are the only two ways to approach it.

Any other course of action is allowing conspiracy to be disseminated widely without pushback, allowing it to grow.

I posted a tweet that allows a fake documentary about covid vaccines to be advertised with no pushback, and no attempt to change minds, or show people the truth. That's the problem.

 

[analog_future]

Well evolution and flat earth seem to be examples of truth and facts prevailing. You can't convince everyone, that is true. But the amount that believe in flat earth and the literal biblical account are tiny and insignificant compared to spherical earth and evolution.

Twitter is a platform not the arbiters of truth. It is on the users to pushback, twitter has even given them the tools to do so.

The amount of people that believe the Earth is flat is probably at the highest it's been in a hundred years. We're going backwards and it's because we've allowed misinformation and batshit conspiracy theories to spread.

 

[Moneal]

The amount of people that believe the Earth is flat is probably at the highest it's been in a hundred years. We're going backwards and it's because we've allowed misinformation and batshit conspiracy theories to spread.

And it's still tiny. Guess what banning all talk about it would do.

 

[FunkMiller]

And it's still tiny. Guess what banning all talk about it would do.

You'd have a leg to stand on with this argument, if it wasn't clearly the case that millions of people got suckered in to believing that the covid vaccines were dangerous. Because not enough effort was made to counter the lies with the truth.

Musk is a fool if he's going to let any old looney spout whatever rubbish they happen to believe.

 

[murmulis]

The amount of people that believe the Earth is flat is probably at the highest it's been in a hundred years. We're going backwards and it's because we've allowed misinformation and batshit conspiracy theories to spread.

Most flat earthers aren't serious.

 

[DeepEnigma]

My fuck, take it to the COVID thread. Shit spreads like a virus to other threads.

 

[Moneal]

You'd have a leg to stand on with this argument, if it wasn't clearly the case that millions of people got suckered in to believing that the covid vaccines were dangerous. Because not enough effort was made to counter the lies with the truth.

Musk is a fool if he's going to let any old looney spout whatever rubbish they happen to believe.

Youtube banned anti-covid Vax talk. As did all major social media sites. Kinda proving my point.

 

[Vestal]

And it's still tiny. Guess what banning all talk about it would do.

I don't think the problem has ever been people believing nonsense.. The problem with Twitter, social media and well the internet as a whole is. The availability of questionable information presented in a way that appears factual. How that kind of suspect information can become main stream if left unchecked, and cause disruption in the regular discourse along with making suckers of the less educated.