Maiden Voyage
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I just got a Twitter ad for Apple right below Musks latest anti-Apple tweet. 
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Guilty_AI
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Woke Mind Virus
An illiberal and dogmatic form of left wing identity politics that analyses social issues primarily through the lens of supposed power differentials between morally ranked identity groups. Given to shutting down dissent from its orthodoxy by equating it with harm.
strange headache
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The absolute systemic crusade against Musk should show you how dire the situation around free speech has really become. Instead you're here defending every shitty corporation that riles against Musk while championing absolutely idiotic EU regulations that are awfully unpopular here in Europe. In most cases, these regulations don't even apply to individual member states as speech regulations fall under the political autonomy of each country.
If you need to defend these shitty practices and outright attempts to cripple individual rights and freedoms in order to criticize Musk you've completely lost the plot.
It remains to be seen if Apple is even capable of it....
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I draw from a myriad of sources. What does the publication have to do with Cook's own words where they ceded control to the CCP, the workers have access to the keys, and won't use the super magical consumer protection encryption that was brought up in this thread as to Apple not being anti-free speech?
Hence when these companies virtue signal... it's always, *only in the west.
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It’s true. This ends up being more of a he said and she said thing and I know how the press misconstrues things it doesn’t understand. So at the end of the day, you have no idea how much access the CCP has to Apple’s data.
DeepEnigma
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We know exactly how the CCP operates.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Y'all do realize you are spouting off on free speech on a forum that doesn't allow political discussions as a general rule w/ very few exceptions?
LOL
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FunkMiller
Member
You can absolutely describe far right, religiously themed ideology with the exact same sentence.
Therein, I feel, lies the real problem here.
None of this gets better until everybody wises up - and tacks back to the fucking centre, where the sensible people are.
It's a pity Elon isn't proving to be one of them... at least judging by his recent proclamations.
DeepEnigma
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
A business caring about who it associates itself with is not a "Shitty Practice" to any reasonable person. That is a common business practice that has existed for decades. The only person who has lost the plot here is you with your rants against completely unrelated topics.
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FunkMiller
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Well, they're certainly capable of it from a purely technical standpoint. And I don't think they'd be breaching any international laws by removing Twitter.
Whether it would hurt them a huge amount financially or not, is anyone's guess. As is whether they'd be prepared to take that hit anyway.
I certainly wouldn't be fucking with them, if I owned a social media platform that relied on their continued support.
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Well I think we should stop derailing further so I’ll just send you a Panda Express gift card call it good
DeepEnigma
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Wait so they haven't actually pulled their ads?I just got a Twitter ad for Apple right below Musks latest anti-Apple tweet.
Then wtf is he bitching about?
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I believe content moderation is important. As long as it's logical. No site or platform can or should allow everything. Problem is, so much of it isn't logical. And so many companies have become captured by the idea that certain things are dangerous and violent, when they aren't. However, if something is actually dangerous or violent, I am in support of removal. But we've gone way beyond that. We're at the point now, where certain people are getting suspended from platforms for things they say on other platforms. Lately, PayPal, Etsy, Gofundme, Patreon, and others have been banning people from their platforms for all intents and purposes, saying they agree with JK Rowling and sharing similar talking points on platforms outside of theirs.
There are very few platforms these days where people can speak in earnest about controversial topics or make jokes about touchy subjects. And those grow fewer by the day. And if someone is willing to step up and create a massive platform where those things are allowed, while still getting rid of the nasty and vile stuff, I commend them. Whether that's Elon, I don't know. But I do have concern that others are so ideologically captured, that they think even operating in a fair and logical way is beyond the pale, and will try to stop that platform from existing through pressure.
There are very few platforms these days where people can speak in earnest about controversial topics or make jokes about touchy subjects. And those grow fewer by the day. And if someone is willing to step up and create a massive platform where those things are allowed, while still getting rid of the nasty and vile stuff, I commend them. Whether that's Elon, I don't know. But I do have concern that others are so ideologically captured, that they think even operating in a fair and logical way is beyond the pale, and will try to stop that platform from existing through pressure.
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Guilty_AI
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Not the exact same sentence since the principles behind each one are very different.
Impossible in any short term measure. Western civilization developed for thousands of years under black and white views of the world. Its deeply ingrained in our culture to view everything under lens of 'good and evil', observable in this very moment with tons of people being propense to believe Musk really is this sort of absolute evil who's also idiot and dumb and every other bad thing in the book that can be throw in the fray, and not just a person under a gray scale like everyone else.
We're talking about deep levels of world-wide cultural reform here.
What proclamations? So far it has been mostly about pissing off random companies and institutions. Its to soon to say if he'll truly make twitter an equal ground of discussion for everyone as he's saying he will.
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Maiden Voyage
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They most likely did not buy ad space in 23. I am probably wrong but I thought I had read back 30 or 40 pages that this is how advertisers bought slots.
LegendOfKage
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I'm someone who has both criticized and defended Musk in this thread, and I think going to War with Apple is just about the stupidest thing he could do right now.
I also find it kind of hilarious that he referred to the 30% as a "secret."
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
IntentionalPun
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1) He didn't say they pulled all advertisingI just got a Twitter ad for Apple right below Musks latest anti-Apple tweet.
2) I think a lot of advertisers buy space well in advanced as well, so we could be seeing ads Apple paid for a long time ago (edit, yeah what
Maiden Voyage
said, wait, thats you! lol)
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Maiden Voyage
doesn't use dark mode everyone shame him!!
DeepEnigma
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If you have ever watched the man in interviews over the years, that is clearly sarcasm in a rhetorical question. He's being a smartass.
That doesn't really say what the left wing identity politics are so maybe it is LGBQT+? It makes quite a few alarmist claims if that thing even exists as a potent, organized force. For the most part, it's just the way people are, there isn't some centralized left wing identity politics central figure that people march to. It's their culture and who they are as a people. It's the West.
While there might be an extremely small group of people with an 'illiberal and dogmatic form" of social anthropology that tries to shut down all dissent from its orthodoxy, that's hardly the norm. The greater part of the West will not back down on human, LBGQT+, and women's rights, but that's not orthodoxy. How does that lead civilization to suicide through entertainment?
Maiden Voyage
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Of course I do. On websites that actually matter.
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So many layers…Of course I do. On websites that actually matter.
LegendOfKage
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It has been talked about a LOT, and there have even been lawsuits over it, so I have to admit there's a good chance that you're right.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
No one in here is claiming Apple is a good company. Only that they have the right to pull their advertising money from the platform. Just like every other company that has already done so.
For the record I do not own an IPhone or any other apple product or service. I hate their overpriced shit.
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LegendOfKage
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Oh look, if it isn't holier than thou selling their morality to the highest bidder, only to later come back and point their finger at others.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The richest man in the world and "free speech absolutist" is publicly attacking the most valuable company in the world for excercising their own form of free speech.
Parody is dead.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah
Nobody_Important
, you have him all figured out. He's such a "low IQ moron" who's really had "such a revelation" that he was revealing to the world about the 30%. (about your laugh reaction to my comment)
The mere fact that people are letting their own narcissism shine in here, is hitting on all the right notes.
But when ideological lines are drawn, he is now the stupid buffoon narrative™ in the MDS script.
Nobody_Important
, you have him all figured out. He's such a "low IQ moron" who's really had "such a revelation" that he was revealing to the world about the 30%. (about your laugh reaction to my comment)The mere fact that people are letting their own narcissism shine in here, is hitting on all the right notes.
Anyone who has watched him in tech talk interviews on stage in front of an audience, with his witty comments, etc., it's not hard to figure out when he's being a smartass.
But when ideological lines are drawn, he is now the stupid buffoon narrative™ in the MDS script.
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Guilty_AI
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Wtf are you talking about? Where did I call him a "low IQ moron" or use the words "such a revelation"?Yeah
The mere fact that people are letting their own narcissism shine in here, is hitting on all the right notes.
Are you okay?
DeaDPo0L84
Member
This is an example of people doing mental gymnastics so they never have to admit they're wrong and remain in their echo chamber:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's called paraphrasing.
Here, lemme help you:
He's either "ignorant or a moron."
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It's all in the wrist
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That was a great decision, though.
Maiden Voyage
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The sexual tension in this thread is off the charts.
strange headache
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Yeah
I'm sure the journalists have figured him all out
IntentionalPun
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US courts have already protected the 30% cut thing, w/ only small stipulations.
It's a losing battle if he actually intends on going that route... but hard to tell if Musk is throwing a fit, trolling, or actually plans to do something.
The shit posting/trolling CEO thing is just so stupid though.. not sure why anyone would defend it, at least as him being "smart." He has every right to act childish on Twitter but companies are seeing that shit, seeing all his random statements about moderation , unbanning everyone from Twitter, directly posting "fake news" that he has to delete or laugh off when pointed out it's wrong, etc.
You have to be a really far gone "Musk" fan to actually be defending him as a business person at this point.
"Oh if you've seen his witty interviews you can tell he's joking in that tweet!" A tweet he made about a big business partner who is concerned about doing business with Twitter from here on out. It doesn't matter if he is joking or being serious, this is just bad business.
It's a losing battle if he actually intends on going that route... but hard to tell if Musk is throwing a fit, trolling, or actually plans to do something.
The shit posting/trolling CEO thing is just so stupid though.. not sure why anyone would defend it, at least as him being "smart." He has every right to act childish on Twitter but companies are seeing that shit, seeing all his random statements about moderation , unbanning everyone from Twitter, directly posting "fake news" that he has to delete or laugh off when pointed out it's wrong, etc.
You have to be a really far gone "Musk" fan to actually be defending him as a business person at this point.
"Oh if you've seen his witty interviews you can tell he's joking in that tweet!" A tweet he made about a big business partner who is concerned about doing business with Twitter from here on out. It doesn't matter if he is joking or being serious, this is just bad business.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The man is openly attacking one of the largest companies in the world just because they pulled their ads from the site (like many others have) for completely valid concerns over content moderation. A company btw that Twitter literally needs to survive.
That is stupid no matter how you slice it.
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DeepEnigma
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Oh the horror!
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Yea but they did something to potentially harm Elon Musk so *checks virtue signaling handbook* fuck yea go Apple!
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HoodWinked
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From my experience twitter works well in the browser, that's how I use it even on my phone, I intentionally don't want to install the app. So they do have leverage even if there are threats to remove from the app store.
But even from Apple's perspective do they want to pick a fight and deal with a self-inflicted headache? What would they even gain from removing it from the app store? The calls to remove it are surprisingly small. All it would do is appease some minority of ideological motivated people in the executive level.
But even from Apple's perspective do they want to pick a fight and deal with a self-inflicted headache? What would they even gain from removing it from the app store? The calls to remove it are surprisingly small. All it would do is appease some minority of ideological motivated people in the executive level.
IntentionalPun
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Oh absolutely agreed.
This place has dramatically improved since the site exercised it's right to... moderate the content stored on it's own servers.
strange headache
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This is the result of Apple not caring about free speech and individual liberties. They want you to just shut up and consume and stay in their eco system.
They left it behind. How organized could they be? Although, the pics are like those where the Taliban posed with captured American fatigues.
Sure, there is no potent organized force behind it
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