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It's not relevant to the story. That was in Afghanistan and had nothing to do with IS, it happened during a battle with the Taliban.

Edit: beaten again.

Seems we keep repeating each other.

Are you guys having reading comprehension problems? The quoted kill count is SpecOps number of enemy combatants killed linked with planning attacks in Europe and Africa.

The civilian count was for the overall 20 month coalition strikes, which includes everything.

It's a real issue in this thread for some reason..

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

Their inept bumbling around reminded me of the movie Four Lions. People are already starting to meme the fuck out of Abu Hajaar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roROL5KdXlw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jPTrS-7d14

lol good job Internet!

 

[Hermii]

If they admitted to kill 40 civilians, I bet the real number is much higher. This just means they killed at least 40 that weren't military aged males in the strike area.

 

[valkillmore]

It disgusts me how the Republican candidates give Obama and his administration zero credit for the ISIS offensive they've mounted. Everyone there is an update its always top commander/people/whatever being taken out. What more are they supposed to do?

Republicans can fuck off with these kind of contrarian, partisan lies.

 

[Timedog]

Yeah I'm not holding my breath on that 41 civilians figure.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

41 civilian deaths is bullshit.

Number is way higher.

 

[Easy_D]

They're really not. Unless you think who-knows-how-many (hundreds? thousands?) innocent civilians being killed in all of the drone & other strikes vs. a few dozen actual terrorists being killed here and there is good.

At least they seem to acknowledge the deaths of innocents, whatever comfort that may bring.

41 civilian deaths is bullshit.

Number is way higher.

This is most likely true as well.

 

[cameron]

There have been ~12,000 US-led air strikes since mid 2014. The 41 civilian death figure is from here. U.S. DoD: "Centcom Releases Civilian Casualty Assessments"

WASHINGTON, April 22, 2016 — U.S. Central Command officials said today that U.S. airstrikes targeting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant terrorist organization likely resulted in 20 civilian casualties and 11 civilian injuries in Iraq and Syria last year.

Briefing Pentagon reporters via teleconference, Centcom spokesman Air Force Col. Pat Ryder said after thorough assessments of civilian casualty allegations, the “preponderance of evidence” indicates nine separate manned and unmanned U.S. airstrikes between Sept. 10, 2015 and Feb. 2 likely resulted in the causalities and injuries.

“We deeply regret the unintentional loss of life and injuries resulting from those strikes and express our deepest sympathies to the victims' families and those affected,” he said.

“[ISIL continues its] cowardly tactic of hiding and operating among civilian populations by terrorizing citizens in these areas and repeatedly demonstrating their utter disregard for the lives of innocent men, women and children,” he said.

Including today’s casualty assessment, Ryder said there have been 41 other unintentional civilian deaths and 28 injuries from airstrikes since assessments began.

The first assessment of a civilian casualty followed a Nov. 5, 2014, airstrike, a DoD official said.

Ryder said 162 allegations have been filed since then, and 112 of them were deemed not credible. He said 23 other allegations remain open -- 20 are pending credibility assessments and three are pending investigation.

The credible (have “preponderance of evidence") reports of the recent casualty assessment:

Here is a description of the nine U.S. strikes alleged to have resulted in civilian casualties and determined to be credible:

1. On Sept. 10, 2015, in Kubaysah, Iraq, near Hit, during a strike on an ISIL checkpoint, it is assessed that two civilians were killed and four were injured when their vehicle appeared in the target area after weapons were already in flight.

2. On Oct. 5, 2015, in Atshanah, Iraq, near Al Huwayjah, during a strike on ISIL personnel, it is assessed that eight civilians were killed during a strike on a mortar fire position used by enemy fighters.

3. On Nov. 4, 2015, in Al Huwayjah, Iraq, during a strike on an ISIL vehicle, it is assessed that two civilians were injured. The incident occurred when, after weapons were already in flight, the ISIL vehicle unexpectedly pulled off the side of the road near a building where two civilians were standing.

4. On Nov. 12, 2015, in Ramadi, Iraq, during a strike targeting ISIL fighters, it is assessed that one civilian was killed.

5. On Dec. 10, 2015, near Ar Raqqah, Syria, during strikes against Siful Sujan, an ISIL external operations planner, it was assessed that one civilian was killed.

6. On Dec. 12, 2015, in Ramadi, Iraq, during a strike on ISIL personnel at a suspected ISIL checkpoint, it is assessed that five civilians were killed after they unexpectedly moved into the target location after weapons were already in flight.

7. On Dec. 24, 2015, in Tishreen, Syria, near Manbij, during a strike on two ISIL fighters in a vehicle, it is assessed that one civilian on a motorcycle was killed riding up to the target area after weapons were already in flight.

8. On Jan. 11, 2016, near Mosul, Iraq, during a strike on five ISIL individuals guarding an ISIL cash distribution station, it is assessed that one civilian was killed and five were injured.

9. On Feb. 2, 2016, in Al Ghazili, Syria, near Ayn Isa, during a strike on an ISIL vehicle, it is assessed that one civilian was killed after unexpectedly driving into the target area after weapons were already in flight.

http://www.centcom.mil/news/press-r...and-releases-iraq-and-syria-civilian-casualty

I don't believe the figure is that low, but they're not going to cop to any civilian deaths that can't be proved.

 

[FreedomFighter]

Cheers lads. Less nutters prepared to strap or brainwash folks to wear bombs/ shoot folks the better.

Nah, they'll just be replaced with more people who are infuriated and just as deadly.

This is not a winning strategy. Just ensuring perpetual war - which is clearly what upper management want.

I don't believe the figure is that low, but they're not going to cop to any civilian deaths that can't be proved.

US always under reporting civilian deaths aka "collateral damage".

Probably using the "military age = combatant" meme again here. That and just outright lying. No way it can be that low.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Was happy about this until I saw it was airstrikes. This is just going to make things worse.

It disgusts me how the Republican candidates give Obama and his administration zero credit for the ISIS offensive they've mounted. Everyone there is an update its always top commander/people/whatever being taken out. What more are they supposed to do?

Republicans can fuck off with these kind of contrarian, partisan lies.

Partisan politics aside. Obama does not deserve any credit for cowardly airstrikes that kill loads of civilians along with terrorists. This is a huge black mark on his administration. He literally won the Nobel Peace Prize and allows airstrikes to repeatedly kill civilians.