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[Lernaean]

This upcoming 'shared' architecture isn't going to make any difference.

A game targeted at PS4/XBO won't run on the 4DS.

The point is that a dev can make a game that plays on all the home consoles or handheld of optimize it for both and that Nintendo will make games that play on all their platforms.

So if EA wants to make BF5 for example, the more powerful home console will be ok to play it while the handheld won't, but Ubi can make a Rayman optimized for both home and handheld.

It's like those games that require ipad to play but won't play on an iphone for example while others play on all iOS devices. The amount of power needed to play the game will be up to the developer while all devices will share the same architecture and OS but different stats.

 

[Dex815]

When not even Ubi shows games for your platform in the E3 you have basically dead product.

 

[ironcreed]

Just sad. It's an awesome system.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Exactly, to you, not the whole market mentality. By the way, technical issues can be fixed later by patches, so this "this is garbage!!! boycott it!!!" of yours is quite over the top.

You claim bad reviews as reason for not buying Ghosts and AC4, didn't prevented Wii U owners to buy Wii Party U, which got mediocre at best reviews, with a Metacritic score of 6.5., and sold 1.35 million so far, thus makes your claim of Wii U owners being "informed" being dubious.

Or maybe they like Wii Party U? I mean they are Wii U owners.

 

[Sendou]

Exactly, to you, not the whole market mentality. By the way, technical issues can be fixed later by patches, so this "this is garbage!!! boycott it!!!" of yours is quite over the top.

You claim bad reviews as reason for no buying Ghosts and AC4, didn't prevented Wii U owners to buy Wii Party U, which got mediocre at best reviews, with a Metacritic score of 6.5., and sold 1.35 million so far, thus makes your claim of Wii U owners being "informed" being dubious.

I don't even know where to start with that post. Are you even reading what I write? Because it would explain a lot if you didn't.

You shouldn't buy a broken product until it's fixed. This should be obvious. Also of course stuff like performance issues on low priority platform isn't going to get fixed by patches. Get real. Also where are you basing your claim that Wii U owners are completely oblivious to the fact that they are getting the inferior versions? Wii U is very much a niche console right now. I would dare to say that people who own it are more informed than the average customer.

You were the first one to bring up reviews. In any case Wii Party U bombed hard. It sold 1.35 million because it was a pack-in. First compelling pack-in in Japan too. As a side note just because game reviews bad doesn't mean it's bad.

 

[MoogleWizard]

So the Just Dance fad is over?

 

[Snakeyes]

Silence speaks louder than words.

In all the wrong ways.

Eh, I'd argue that claiming they love third parties while not doing much to support them behind the scenes would cast Nintendo in a more negative light (among third parties) than just keeping their mouth shut.

 

[Rogue_element]

From Rayman Legends early exclusivity, to this...

...wow Nintendo.

sad, but a reality.

 

[Gintoki313]

In a good way, at least they told us sooner. Instead of being disappointed if they didn't show off a new Wii U title.

 

[Quadraphonic]

So the Just Dance fad is over?

No way. The cost to make those games is fucking minimal. License songs + pay to record some choreographers and dancers for a few weekends and make major bank.

And considering it was already on the Wii U, choosing not to publish it is more a political maneuver since the engine is probably unchanged.

Really, Ubisoft said "look, we can pay one programmer to maintain the Wii U version, and spend a bit of QA time on it, and go through all that rigamarole with the producers to get the Wii U version out the door for what, 80k in sales? Fuck it..."

 

[213372bu]

Eh, I'd argue that claiming they love third parties while not doing much to support them behind the scenes would cast Nintendo in a more negative light (among third parties) than just keeping their mouth shut.

Fair point, it definitely would have a negative effect on Nintendo in the "gamer enthusiast" scene, but at the same time, false promises like these are made all the time in the industry, and sadly by Nintendo themselves, and they barely affect the minds of the masses at all.

 

[AzaK]

Why are 3rd parties abandoning the Wii U?

Ummmmmmmm

 

[TreasureHunterG]

As a side note just because game reviews bad doesn't mean it's bad.

Hmm... interesting. So, following your logic, this should be valid for the face-offs dragging down the Wii U versions of AC4 and COD Ghosts yourself brought it here, right?

Also where are you basing your claim that Wii U owners are completely oblivious to the fact that they are getting the inferior versions? Wii U is very much a niche console right now. I would dare to say that people who own it are more informed than the average customer.

Show me conclusive evidence that Wii U owners are more informed than the average costumer.

 

[CambriaRising]

I can't really blame them.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Not surprised considering how the WiiU selling.

 

[Fried Food]

Good, I only want to see games I have the option to play.

 

[ICPEE]

The WiiU getting no love

 

[rokero]

I wasn't expecting any third party WiiU game at E3 so it doesn't surprise me

 

[evacs]

Any stores let me rent a Wii U? I'm thinking I'd buy the Zelda title when it comes out and just rent the console for a weekend. No point buying a system for like 3 titles.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Any stores let me rent a Wii U? I'm thinking I'd buy the Zelda title when it comes out and just rent the console for a weekend. No point buying a system for like 3 titles.

Borrow a WiiU from a friend?

 

[redmetal86]

Any stores let me rent a Wii U? I'm thinking I'd buy the Zelda title when it comes out and just rent the console for a weekend. No point buying a system for like 3 titles.

What are the other 2?

 

[213372bu]

Any stores let me rent a Wii U? I'm thinking I'd buy the Zelda title when it comes out and just rent the console for a weekend. No point buying a system for like 3 titles.

Rental furniture places advertise it all the time on TV. Aaron's does for sure.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

We will not show any Nintendo titles @ e3....... because Nintendo is showing them.

Spoiler

I can´t even say i am sad about this

 

[ciD_Vain]

I wonder if it's the gamepad (or wiimote) or the difference in power that alienates 3rd parties.

 

[JCizzle]

I wonder if it's the gamepad (or wiimote) or the difference in power that alienates 3rd parties.

And not having an install base.

 

[Goldenroad]

Lego games are probably still coming. Oxygene Media is also fully behind the console.

I think the fact that you had to provide a link to Oxygene Media probably says more about that publisher than is really worth me responding to, but you're right, I could see Lego games still coming out, but they are going to be 360/PS3 ports at best. I think we'll see two moons in the sky before we see a Lego City Undercover 2.

 

[rokkerkory]

The worst thing Nintendo could do right now is panic and rush out a new system.

Yeah agree, I never said anything about hastily putting out a new system. That would be even worse. They need to rethink their approach to gaming.

It'll be next fall at the earliest I am thinking to see something brand new, unified with their handhelds and powerful.

Iwata has said it would take 2 years for something trans-formative. I am sure they have started developing next-gen for sometime now (~1 year).

 

[openrob]

Firstly, although i own other platforms, I consider myself a Nintendo gamer first. Maybe I'm crazy, or maybe I just like rooting for the under dog.

Either way i feel really pissed at this. Yes Nintendo made mistakes with things, but I definitely feel the case is more 3rd parties saying "We're not gonna really bother" .... "Oh, that didn't sell, I knew we were right! Let's pack up shop boys".

Let's see:

• Exclusive game - made 3rd party and delayed.
• Assassins creed 3 was an old port. Wasn't gonna shift a lot.
• AC 4 was a good development effort but has piss all advertising for Wii U, most stores didn't acknowledge its existence while ps4 got bundles.
• Now watch dogs is delayed. Will get NO hype NO advertising and no one will buy it. Most Wii U owners have another console, even a 360, if they really want it it will be bought before hand. No difference for Ubi, but it devalues the Wii U and affects their future involvement.
• Let's not count the games that could come to the console but don't I.e any ps3/360 gamnow.

ZombiU was cool (not my cuppa but I got it with the console). But the problem is multiplatform games. This is what sets in mind the value of consoles, it places them on the same level.

I will always hold that 3rd parties jacked over the Wii U. This isn't just about me wanting something I can't have, I can play these games on other platforms. It's about the complete lack of care and respect that the company shows both customers and Nintendo. It shits over the large install base (which is just as big as the other two).

I may eat my words and they may switch out and show some Nintendo love in 3 weeks, but history has said otherwise.



N.b. was gonna buy child of light this week, but not sure if I want to now

 

[SephiZack]

Wasn't Ubisoft the only major 3rd party who was supporting Wii U? Did something happen between Ubi and Nintendo or it's just poor Wii U sales?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

It's 'unfamiliar architecture' because third parties half-assed their efforts on the sales leading console last gen.

Oh look, the lazy devs argument is back!

 

[Metallix87]

I will always hold that 3rd parties jacked over the Wii U. This isn't just about me wanting something I can't have, I can play these games on other platforms. It's about the complete lack of care and respect that the company shows both customers and Nintendo. It shits over the large install base (which is just as big as the other two).

I agree, and the same was true last gen. Nintendo's platforms are just a dumping ground for third parties, and when consumers aren't interested in excuses and sub-par efforts, they abandon ship and blame the ecosystem that they've poisoned themselves.

 

[Sciortino]

No love from third parties. Kind of feel sad for nintendo.

 

[EVIL]

2011 - EA on stage at Nintendo, announcing UNPRECEDENTED PARTNERSHIP!
2012 - no word from EA, but! Ubisoft on stage announcing UNPRECEDENTED PARTNERSHIP!
.. fucking hell

 

[Canon]

I won't be showing any Ubisoft games on my TV this year.

 

[openrob]

Wasn't Ubisoft the only major 3rd party who was supporting Wii U? Did something happen between Ubi and Nintendo or it's just poor Wii U sales?

Only major western 3rd party. Still gets mad love from Sega and a few other smaller ones like Platinum.
But if you call what I posted two posts above 'support' then Nintendo has no hope.

 

[StuBurns]

I will always hold that 3rd parties jacked over the Wii U. This isn't just about me wanting something I can't have, I can play these games on other platforms. It's about the complete lack of care and respect that the company shows both customers and Nintendo. It shits over the large install base (which is just as big as the other two).

Why do publishers 'owe' platforms games?

It's the first party's job to provide an attractive platform to publishers. Nintendo failed at their job, so publishers don't support them.

Respect is not a good enough reason to support Nintendo.

 

[Metallix87]

Why do publishers 'owe' platforms games?

It's the first party's job to provide an attractive platform to publishers. Nintendo failed at their job, so publishers don't support them.

Respect is not a good enough reason to support Nintendo.

That's fine, but then don't take a shit on the system with late, sloppy ports, a ton of excuses and strange logic, and worst of all, shovelware, and expect to be thanked and appreciated by the fan base. Third parties don't have an obligation to support any system, but if they decide to, then they bloody well ought to be serious about it and not muck it up so royally only to blame the consumers afterwards for not buying their content.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Oh look, the lazy devs argument is back!

...what?

 

[megabytecr]

What a way to kill any Wii U hype there could be because of MK8. Oh well, I will be honest, it sucks, some 3rd party games is a nice to have, still a great year ahead for the Wii U.

About who´s fault is it, well it is both´s fault, Nintendo and Ubi, because the ports have had something lacking, either performance, DLC or price.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Given how much support Ubisoft showed towards the Wii U during the launch period, I felt like Ubisoft would be the most loyal 3rd party the system would have. Now that they are basically backing off I think the Wii U, at least from a 3rd party standpoint, is done. Fortunately 1st party games will continue to release at a decent pace and most people bought the Wii U for its 1st party games anyway....

However, Nintendo can't keep making consoles that don't appeal to 3rd parties.

 

[StuBurns]

That's fine, but then don't take a shit on the system with late, sloppy ports, a ton of excuses and strange logic, and worst of all, shovelware, and expect to be thanked and appreciated by the fan base. Third parties don't have an obligation to support any system, but if they decide to, then they bloody well ought to be serious about it and not muck it up so royally only to blame the consumers afterwards for not buying their content.

So you would rather they just never support them?

The point is to have low commitment projects that aren't risky.

The things you consider 'taking a shit' were almost certainly actively courted by Nintendo. I'm sure publishers would have been fine with ignoring them from the start had Nintendo not asked them for games.

 

[Metallix87]

So you would rather they just never support them?

The point is to have low commitment projects that aren't risky.

The things you consider 'taking a shit' were almost certainly actively courted by Nintendo. I'm sure publishers would have been fine with ignoring them from the start had Nintendo not asked them for games.

So those are our only two options? No support or crappy support followed by excuses and the blame game?

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Only major western 3rd party.

Other than, you know, the single biggest western third party publisher.

 

[ironcreed]

Given how much support Ubisoft showed towards the Wii U during the launch period, I felt like Ubisoft would be the most loyal 3rd party the system would have. Now that they are basically backing off I think the Wii U, at least from a 3rd party standpoint, is done. Fortunately 1st party games will continue to release at a decent pace and most people bought the Wii U for its 1st party games anyway....

However, Nintendo can't keep making consoles that don't appeal to 3rd parties.

Yeah, I bought one because it is starting to get a nice stack of exclusives, with more on the way. I love it even more than I thought I would.

 

[MDX]

Nothing is stopping Ubi from announcing games after E3.

And before people blame Nintendo, how do we know
money wasn't exchanged to keep WiiU games off the show floor?

 

[prag16]

So those are our only two options? No support or crappy support followed by excuses and the blame game?

I agree with you to a large extent, but here is where NIntendo bears serious blame as well. While third parties really really didn't help the situation very much, Nintendo still led the way in creating this environment.

 

[megabytecr]

Well we will get at least the Skylanders, Disney Infinity, Lego, maybe CoD and great indies.

Even with that it looks to be a great year ahead for Wii U, cannot wait.

Still prefer the collaborations to straight up 3rd party support, even if that means less games. I would love that they open or contract more studios and be more aggressive developing games.

 

[Shiggy]

Nothing is stopping Ubi from announcing games after E3.

And before people blame Nintendo, how do we know
money wasn't exchanged to keep WiiU games off the show floor?

Why would Sony or Microsoft pay Ubisoft not to show Wii U software? I think they could care less about a platform nobody seems to care about anymore; it's simply not their competition.

 

[Quadraphonic]

That's fine, but then don't take a shit on the system with late, sloppy ports, a ton of excuses and strange logic, and worst of all, shovelware, and expect to be thanked and appreciated by the fan base. Third parties don't have an obligation to support any system, but if they decide to, then they bloody well ought to be serious about it and not muck it up so royally only to blame the consumers afterwards for not buying their content.

People try EVERY generation since the GameCube to give Nintendo and they get fucked over.

The current Nintendo userbase is random. Publishers like games where they can roughly predict sales. Things that succeed and fail on the Wii were determined more on boxart than actual content.

 

[prag16]

Well we will get at least the Skylanders, Disney Infinity, Lego, maybe CoD and great indies.

Even with that it looks to be a great year ahead for Wii U, cannot wait.

Agreed. To be honest, I've already gotten my money's worth out of my launch Wii U and then some, even having yet to play Mario Kart 8. For me, as long as there are a handful of games per year that interest me, I'm good. I supplement with PC where necessary, and I will get a PS4 way down the line to play some exclusives.

It's a shame Nintendo dropped the ball, but I have no regrets personally. It'll be interesting to see what they do the next few years.