UFC 143 |OT|: Diaz vs Conduit - The Start of the 209 Era

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The funniest thing about a potential rematch is - what do you do with the winner? That's what really makes it BS. If Diaz won that fight he'd almost certainly be given the shot against GSP. They're not going to have GSP wait around for the rubber match winner of that series, so Condit's first win would be pointless.

That's part of what makes it so obvious what the heads want the outcome to be, and it's clear simply in Dana floating the question of a rematch around. The fight wasn't remotely controversial. Some people are certainly trying to create controversy, but the fight wasn't close enough to demand that. Everyone saying Nick won has to resort to "he was the one walking forward" even though Condit was consistently engaging him. Is it possible to "run away" and end up throwing and landing more strikes than the other guy?

Aggressiveness becomes bone-headed when it only results in the other guy getting more strikes in. Diaz looked fantastic in previous fights when that same aggressiveness and trash-talking rattled his opponent and allowed Diaz to dictate the entire fight. This time around, Condit was the dictator, and Diaz and his biggest fans aren't used to that. Dana himself scored it for Condit and he's still trying to play the "but others think it's controversial" card to score a rematch, which would be in his best interests.

Having said that, I don't see Condit agreeing to it if it's offered, so I guess it's a moot point. He thinks the fight wasn't close and seems hesitant to take any fight before GSP, let alone an unnecessary Diaz rematch.
 
TheNatural said:
Hey I was saying in the chat I think Condit basically schooled his ass as it was going on, so you can't say that for everyone. You could give Rd 2 to Diaz if you thought a meaningless weak body flurry meant something versus Condit controlling the rest of the round. Or you could have gave Diaz Rd 5 if you thought a meaningless weak takedown where Diaz did nothing won him the round versus Condit owning him the rest of it.
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Yeah, I scored it live 49-46 in the nerd chat.

Great idea on the chat by the way. We should do it for every event and include it in the OP.
 
If Diaz didn't like Condit "running" he should have used his supposedly world class Cesar Gracie Jits to take him to the mat and put him in a position where he wouldn't be able to "run away"

But no, Diaz just wants to "scrap" and not do any "pussy/gay" wrestling shit
 
Zeliard said:
The funniest thing about a potential rematch is - what do you do with the winner? That's what really makes it BS. If Diaz won that fight he'd almost certainly be given the shot against GSP. They're not going to have GSP wait around for the rubber match winner of that series, so Condit's first win would be pointless.

That's part of what makes it so obvious what the heads want the outcome to be, and it's clear simply in Dana floating the question of a rematch around. The fight wasn't remotely controversial. Some people are certainly trying to create controversy, but the fight wasn't close enough to demand that. Everyone saying Nick won has to resort to "he was the one walking forward" even though Condit was consistently engaging him. Is it possible to "run away" and end up throwing and landing more strikes than the other guy?

Aggressiveness becomes bone-headed when it only results in the other guy getting more strikes in. Diaz looked fantastic in previous fights when that same aggressiveness and trash-talking rattled his opponent and allowed Diaz to dictate the entire fight. This time around, Condit was the dictator, and Diaz and his biggest fans aren't used to that. Dana himself scored it for Condit and he's still trying to play the "but others think it's controversial" card to score a rematch, which would be in his best interests.

Having said that, I don't see Condit agreeing to it if it's offered, so I guess it's a moot point. He thinks the fight wasn't close and seems hesitant to take any fight before GSP, let alone an unnecessary Diaz rematch.
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Yup exactly. Had Diaz gotten the decision win, they're waiting for GSP. If Condit takes this rematch and loses, the guy isn't coming close to getting a third chance.

What's funny is, GSP would fight the exact same way against Diaz and beat him more handily because Condit isn't a takedown thread and doesn't have a stiff jab like GSP either.
 
Zeliard said:
The funniest thing about a potential rematch is - what do you do with the winner? That's what really makes it BS. If Diaz won that fight he'd almost certainly be given the shot against GSP. They're not going to have GSP wait around for the rubber match winner of that series, so Condit's first win would be pointless.

That's part of what makes it so obvious what the heads want the outcome to be, and it's clear simply in Dana floating the question of a rematch around. The fight wasn't remotely controversial. Some people are certainly trying to create controversy, but the fight wasn't close enough to demand that. Everyone saying Nick won has to resort to "he was the one walking forward" even though Condit was consistently engaging him. Is it possible to "run away" and end up throwing and landing more strikes than the other guy?

Aggressiveness becomes bone-headed when it only results in the other guy getting more strikes in. Diaz looked fantastic in previous fights when that same aggressiveness and trash-talking rattled his opponent and allowed Diaz to dictate the entire fight. This time around, Condit was the dictator, and Diaz and his biggest fans aren't used to that. Dana himself scored it for Condit and he's still trying to play the "but others think it's controversial" card to score a rematch, which would be in his best interests.

Having said that, I don't see Condit agreeing to it if it's offered, so I guess it's a moot point. He thinks the fight wasn't close and seems hesitant to take any fight before GSP, let alone an unnecessary Diaz rematch.
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A pre GSP rematch would be pointless I think. If condit manages to take GSP later in the year you have a set up for a Diaz/Condit rematch next year with all the BS they can muster about controversial descision and whatnot. If GSP wins then you can have the GSP/Diaz match "The one that everyone wanted, even GSP!!!" blah blah. I think it probably works out better for them this way as long as GSP can stay healthy and Diaz doesn't follow through on being a bitch.
 
Just saw the fights. I thought Conduit won all 5 rounds. Sure Diaz was moving forward the whole time, but he wasn't striking much. There's a difference between simply moving forward and being aggressive. Diaz doesn't deserve a rematch at this point.

Mike Pierce got robbed.

Verdum's striking looked solid.

I like that one karate dude who's actually aggressive with his strikes.
 
The only person who got robbed during that event was Bruce Leeroy, dude was doing great but those low blows costed him but the 2 points was not necessary.
 
ArisenDragon said:
The only person who got robbed during that event was Bruce Leeroy, dude was doing great but those low blows costed him but the 2 points was not necessary.
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2 points was rough.

What was funny was that Koscheck didn't get deducted a point with his eye-poke shit. Gets warned tons of times about it, then it actually results in a poke and a harsh warning with 1m left? Please.
 
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thefro said:
That's pretty misleading... if you take out the leg kicks Diaz the Fightmetric shows Diaz won the striking in Rounds 1-3.
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I thought they already subtracted leg kicks. Since when did those count in MMA?

They wouldn't in my league, the Corridor Fighting Championships
 
Hello my fellow mma friends, I finally returned home from Indianapolis and Super Bowl village. The Giants beating the evil Belichick and Brady regime helped wipe some of the stink off of Saturday night.

I here by proclaim that Carlos Conduit should have his moniker "Natural Born Killer" stripped from him. "Natural Born Runner" more like it. And you have to hand it to that fuck Greg Jackson for ruining another exciting fighter and turning him into a sport exhibitionist. What a chicken shit game plan. Condit got on his bicycle Mike Bisping style and was circling and running all fight. And don't even post those stupid compu-strike numbers.

I guess it was a close fight, but I scored it 3 rounds to 2 for Nick. I haven't been that upset about a main event decision since Shogun vs Machida 1.

And I like Heel's new avatar, so very appropriate.

I'll leave this here for you, but I'm sure it's already been posted in my absence.

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Kind of like how Diaz said had he didnt think he was winning, he probably would have finished the submission in the 5th.

I guess both fighters were holding back.
 
AiTM said:
I guess both fighters were holding back.
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nice bronson avatar.

biggest revelation of saturday night was how good werdum's striking looked. he absolutely tooled big country. that was shocking. i guess werdum outstriking overeem was no fluke lol.
 
yacobod said:
nice bronson avatar.
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Being an MMA thread I have to assume this is a troll. Being that my parents house was broken into and robbed last week, Bronson became my avatar as a sign for everyone to watch the fuck out.

And hopefully those knees beat Roy down to 205.
 
no dude, charles bronson is the man. the mechanic, death wish series, once upon a time in the west, etc etc.

he was the hollywood tough guy back in the day.
 
Hey Yaco, can you let us know who the next fighter you're going to back is? I wanna know who is the next guy to bitch quit MMA after getting owned in a main event.
 
yacobod said:
Condit got on his bicycle Mike Bisping style]
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Bisping, a dick as he may be, has 18 finishes out of 22 wins and was as aggressive as fuck with Sonnen, Miller and co. He may have "got on his bike" with some fighters with heavy hands, but if you think the best tactic for fighting a power hitter is to run into their fists for blood and thunder...

Condit fought an MMA match, not a street fight.
 
Remember guys Jackson has nothing but point fighters on his team

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Also, Yaco your boy raged quit because he isn't a fighter. A Real fighters would say he thinks he needs a rematch and come back to win. Diaz is an overrated Chump that has been fighting smaller and weaker men in the B-league's for a few years now. He doesn't know what to do when he isn't in control. Also since you like posted BS from people from twitter I got some pictures for you.


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DAT 209 ERA! Don't worry you can try and spin it all you want. Your boy lost and raged quit on you because he isn't a fighter. Just a child playing and when he loses he pulls the MMA version of "FUCK YOU GUYS I AM TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!" Your favorite flat footed boxer got out boxed. He also showed he doesn't really have anything for the current champ.

Also, Jackson vs Gracie at 170: 2-0
 
Not a Jellyfish said:
I do not understand those tweets...how were people saying Diaz took the 5th? I thought the clearest rounds for Condit were the 4th and 5th. haha
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Because he got a meaningless Takedown.




OH yeah that brings up another good point. Yaco your number one favorite fighter started going for takedowns to score points because he knew he was down.
 
Not a Jellyfish said:
I do not understand those tweets...how were people saying Diaz took the 5th? I thought the clearest rounds for Condit were the 4th and 5th. haha
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Well several of them train with Diaz / Shields / Gracie, but Ronda Rousey is their troll mascot of late, all she does is talk shit about anyone and everyone as she has Gas bills to pay and identifies that Sonnen makes a mint being a stooge so she will as well.

She now trains with Diaz and of course with a 4-0 record in womens MMA no less she is more than qualified to call out Carlos Condit and GSP...
 
Well, diaz usually always looks like he was just in war in his fights he wins. I had a few scratches from this one. Kind of a let down with this whole fight, especially being hyped up from those primetime specials. But Condit won fair and square. Just looked like a scared puppy versus the dog fight that was supposed to happen.
 
SteveWD40 said:
Bisping, a dick as he may be, has 18 finishes out of 22 wins and was as aggressive as fuck with Sonnen, Miller and co. He may have "got on his bike" with some fighters with heavy hands, but if you think the best tactic for fighting a power hitter is to run into their fists for blood and thunder...
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Way to miss my point sir, but seeing as you only really post in mma threads when Bisping is about to fight or is the topic of coversation, I'm going to let it slide. I actually like Bisping, but I'd say about 90% of the guys in this thread rag on Bisping and his fighting style, but they are slobbering all over Condit's performance. You can't have it both ways.

If you don't like Diaz that's fine, but it's pretty funny reading about how Conduit dominated that fight. I scored it 3 rounds to 2 for Nick, but I can concede and see how someone could score it 3-2 for Carlos. The judges who scored it 4 rounds to 1 must have gotten some of Rogan's good stuff.
 
Chamber said:
Most of us scored it 49-46 in the nerd chat. Who are YOU to disagree with us, sir?
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Hive mind sir. I was in Indy partying for the SB weekend, so I was away from the computer for a few days, so my complaints have come late to the party.

But I have to chime in late better then never otherwise people will say I'm ducking my thread.

edit:
and next thing I'm going to have to hear is that nerd chat thinks Madonna's half time show was good (:
 
yacobod said:
Way to miss my point sir, but seeing as you only really post in mma threads when Bisping is about to fight or is the topic of coversation, I'm going to let it slide.
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It's the only time the rampant bullshit detector demands I come in and correct folks, usually the Penny Arcade and Eurogamer threads are a little more...educated, so I tend to discuss MMA there. :)

It's cute you felt the need to check my profile though for a retort.
 
I don't think I have ever said Bisping sucks. I have said more than once that I want to see his ass laid out.

So Yaco so what did you think about Diaz rage quitting? I hope they feed him to a high level wrestler in his next fight. Would be nice to see him cry about the guy not sitting in a corner and letting Diaz hit him.
 
CaptYamato said:
I don't think I have ever said Bisping sucks. I have said more than once that I want to see his ass laid out.

So Yaco so what did you think about Diaz rage quitting? I hope they feed him to a high level wrestler in his next fight. Would be nice to see him cry about the guy not sitting in a corner and letting Diaz hit him.
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When was the last time he fought a good one? Sherk in 06?
 
who knows?

I'm pretty sure he fights again. A fighter only has a limited window where he can get paid. So I'm sure after the emotions have settled down, he will fight again.

It's not like this is the first time Nick has pulled the retirement angle before. So I just think it's being overblown by haters.
 
CaptYamato said:
Remember guys Jackson has nothing but point fighters on his team

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Also, Yaco your boy raged quit because he isn't a fighter. A Real fighters would say he thinks he needs a rematch and come back to win. Diaz is an overrated Chump that has been fighting smaller and weaker men in the B-league's for a few years now. He doesn't know what to do when he isn't in control. Also since you like posted BS from people from twitter I got some pictures for you.


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DAT 209 ERA! Don't worry you can try and spin it all you want. Your boy lost and raged quit on you because he isn't a fighter. Just a child playing and when he loses he pulls the MMA version of "FUCK YOU GUYS I AM TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!" Your favorite flat footed boxer got out boxed. He also showed he doesn't really have anything for the current champ.

Also, Jackson vs Gracie at 170: 2-0
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ether'd
 
I guess we will never see the MMA version of Bret Hart vs Stone Cold. Diaz was on his way to a for a full blown face turn.

The way Werdum beat Nelson really made Crocop look terrible. I still can't get over Nelson retiring him. Crocops UFC run was an utter joke and somewhat embarrassing being such big fan of the guy.
 
Host Samurai said:
The way Werdum beat Nelson really made Crocop look terrible. I still can't get over Nelson retiring him. Crocops UFC run was an utter joke and somewhat embarrassing being such big fan of the guy.
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I don't think there is any shame in being a Mirko "Crocop" Filipovic fan. He made his money and had a phenomenal career before ever stepping into the octagon to fight. Injuries, age, poor training, and never fully transitioning his game from the ring to the octagon were all factors that led to his demise.

He's still got the best youtube mma highlight reel. He won the 2006 OWGP, and was a participant in the most epic title fight in mma history. <3
 
Condit lost me as a fan that fight. Hopefully he can redeem himself. Nick might have lost but Condit didn't exactly win in my eyes. Either way, neither of them has a good chance at beating GSP so I rather see a rematch then see one of them lose to GSP.
 
Pretty sure Carlos is doing this for his kid. A trilogy against Diaz would set that kid up for life.
Or maybe he just wants 2 more bikes.

But fair play for to Conduit for taking the fight.
 
Can't say I'm surprised but the NSAC just said Nick Diaz failed his drug screening.(tested positive for marijuana)

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/2/9/2787871/nick-diaz-tests-positive-for-marijuana

from mmafighting.com

Feb 9, 2012 - The Nevada Athletic Commission has confirmed that Nick Diaz tested positive for marijuana at UFC 143 and will face disciplinary action, almost certainly canceling his planned rematch with Carlos Condit and throwing his future into question.

"Mr. Diaz tested positive for marijuana metabolites. A complaint for disciplinary action against Mr. Diaz has been filed," Nevada Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer wrote in a statement distributed to the media.

After losing to Condit by unanimous decision, Diaz was expected to get a rematch before it became clear that there was an issue with Diaz's drug test. Now Diaz is likely to be suspended at least six months, and possibly longer because he's a repeat offender. Diaz was also busted for marijuana after his upset submission victory over Takanori Gomi in Pride, and that result was subsequently changed to a no contest.

Diaz's future is in doubt not only because the Commission may suspend him, but also because the UFC may decide he's more trouble than he's worth. UFC President Dana White has repeatedly lamented Diaz's refusal to "play the game," and if Diaz can't pass a drug test at the biggest fight of his career, the UFC may not trust him to participate in big fights going forward. There's also the matter of Diaz's post-fight comments, when he said he doesn't know if he even wants to fight anymore.

It's also unclear what will happen with Condit, who was declared the interim welterweight champion for his victory over Diaz. At the moment it appears likely that Condit will sit out until Georges St. Pierre has sufficiently recovered from knee surgery and can return to the Octagon, which is tentatively planned for November.
 
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