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[Hypereides]

Say what you will about his appearance and lifestyle, the man makes a valid argument.

Honestly, I lay some blame on this distorted perception on the activist journos who have been pounding away at this issue for years. Now, the portrayal of pure feminine characteristics are somehow a terrible thing or equated to "adult material" for some asinine reasons. The journos have done nothing, but push and spin the western game industry towards a direction where portrayal of very feminine features has somehow become a "toxic" depiction. Its essentially become demonized. Its ridiculous. Latest example being, how that infamous IGN France journo postured Eve from Stellar Blade was "lethal" to women or something like that.

Not every woman has to look like Eve either. Nor should they all go to the opposite end of the spectrum either. Its perfectly possible to have a middle ground where female characters are still quite feminine without necessarily being super sexy. Problem is, the western industry has swung way too far to the opposite of Eve.

 

[Crayon]

The idea is to have women on screen that are not sexualized. Noble. I like that. But they are in a bubble and pushing that really far. Like, aggressively de-sexualizing a character. In some situation it would be less of a shitstorm but the argument that this is flying in the face of most their addressable audience is legit. The problem is that they have a second audience that plays twitter instead.

If it was a serious drama film, there would be no problem. But the game so far looks a little more light-hearted than that. And as my wife says, "that's a boy game" lol. She's talking about scifi, robots, and action. I don't think it's nefarious social-engineering, but I'll agree it's poorly informed and stubborn. I doubt they expected to be getting ratio'd this hard. Probably expected some pushback and did it anyway, but not like this.

 

[The Infectious Paradox]

FRIENDLY FIRE IS NOT ALLOWED!

 

[Crayon]

Oh yeah. Actually lookin pretty sturdy, there.

I been thinking the face is dead-on but they changed a lot with her body. Maybe changed less than I thought.

 

[Three]

Men don't wanna play as drug addicts, wierdos

Yet they play as Trevor without a problem? Somebody who is ten times "weirder" and actually addicted to drugs.

 

[Woggleman]

Yet they play as Trevor without a problem? Somebody who is ten times "weirder" and actually addicted to drugs.

He also kills the protagonist of a previous game and also rapes a man but that is okay.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

What am I looking at, she looks the same. Just with makeup and smiling in the second photo. Tati also gained muscles when shooting as Jo Braddock in the uncharted movie which is likely around the time they did scans. She has a shaven head in real life too.



Look at her biceps in the link above. She has shoulders too.

It's like looking at Christian Bale in the machinist and suggesting a Batman scanned model is fake.

We're aren't going to agree on this.

Fundamentally, the combination of skin-head and more muscular appearance and plain-Jane clothing makes Jordan a pretty boring character design, imho. Masculine women with no other redeeming qualities are not my preference for a gaming protagonist.

Seems I'm not alone.

Yet they play as Trevor without a problem? Somebody who is ten times "weirder" and actually addicted to drugs.

Actually, I and many other HATED Trevor. The fact that you had two other characters to play as made GTAV MUCH more bearable. A GTAV where you only play as Trevor would have been shitpanned by a lot of people.

Hell, one of the biggest gripes I had with GTAIV was playing as Nico Bellec. His personality redeemed him in the end, but boy did I not enjoy playing as such an ugly mofo.

 

[Three]

Actually, I and many other HATED Trevor. The fact that you had two other characters to play as made GTAV MUCH more bearable. A GTAV where you only play as Trevor would have been shitpanned by a lot of people.

Hell, one of the biggest gripes I had with GTAIV was playing as Nico Bellec. His personality redeemed him in the end, but boy did I not enjoy playing as such an ugly mofo.

Sure you're expressing your hate for it now but I don't remember a shitstorm with the characters you mention in the same vein regardless of your feelings towards those characters.

 

[EviLore]

A lot of people hated playing as Trevor. Probably the most common complaint about GTAV on GAF at release.

 

[hyperbertha]

Yet they play as Trevor without a problem? Somebody who is ten times "weirder" and actually addicted to drugs.

Trevor has aspects of the masculine ideal. Hypermasculine alpha male. Many males look upto him

 

[skyfinch]

This is the same look my Uncle gave my mom when my mom said she would install security camera downstairs for when my Uncle would wrestle my brother and I.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is the same look my Uncle gave my mom when my mom said she would install security camera downstairs for when my Uncle would wrestle my brother and I.

 

[Crystal Winters]

I understand that it can be a turn off if it feels like you are being preached at the same time that these female characters are ugly, but can't we just ignore them and play games like Stellar Blade, Nier Automata, Final Fantasy, Dead or Alive and any other number of games where the women are hot and are bad asses without being "girlboss"?

These games have not gone away and as I understand it are even better on PC due to nude mods. These games will fail just like concord, dustborn and any number of others that have already. If these idiot developers want to die on that hill, then I hope they are ready for it..

 

[Senua]

This is the same look my Uncle gave my mom when my mom said she would install security camera downstairs for when my Uncle would wrestle my brother and I.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Sure you're expressing your hate for it now but I don't remember a shitstorm with the characters you mention in the same vein regardless of your feelings towards those characters.

I didn't even post on NeoGaf back when GTAV first launched.

Maybe that's why

 

[Three]

I didn't even post on NeoGaf back when GTAV first launched.

Maybe that's why

I'm not saying you wouldn't have. Just saying I didn't see the same general disdain for the character from the community in general, that's all. Most just played as him. Most didn't even kill him when given the choice in the game.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I'm not saying you wouldn't have. Just saying I didn't see the same general disdain for the character from the community in general, that's all. Most just played as him. Most didn't even kill him when given the choice in the game.

It was a pleasure killing Trevor. My favorite moment in any Rockstar game. Putting a rabid dog down.

 

[GloveSlap]

Trevor was purposefully made as an adult Garbage Pail Kid. That humor isn't for everyone, but it worked for me.

I can't think of any of these busted female characters where their looks are an intentional joke. I was hoping that was the case for the new Fable, but it doesn't look like it.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

This type of argument makes you look silly. You are either being disingenuous or you are incapable of adult conversations.

No, I just care as much about the appearance of a female lead as I do of Lugis appearance in Mario. Utterly silly discussion.

 

[MGHA]

Where my feminine male characters at? Been foaming at the mouth since Sons of Liberty.

 

[simpatico]

Trevor has aspects of the masculine ideal. Hypermasculine alpha male. Many males look upto him

Trevor was the star of the show in GTA V for me. It drops an entire tier without him. I thought the Franklin stuff was the most boring. Guy was basically a robotic wet blanket. Really no character to speak of.

Where my feminine male characters at? Been foaming at the mouth since Sons of Liberty.

Kojima might be the only one in gaming who could pull off an ambiguous Adonis-type and it still come off completely hetero. A true renaissance man.

 

[The Pweep]

All of this started with the canceling of Doughnut Drake, all of it. The moment he was erased everything went to sh!t.

 

[Crystal Winters]

 

[hyperbertha]

Trevor was the star of the show in GTA V for me. It drops an entire tier without him. I thought the Franklin stuff was the most boring. Guy was basically a robotic wet blanket. Really no character to speak of.


Kojima might be the only one in gaming who could pull off an ambiguous Adonis-type and it still come off completely hetero. A true renaissance man.

Yep. Franklin was the most forgettable gta protagonist by far.

 

[Spitfire098]

 

[Doczu]

I'm sorry you're dying. I promise i will delete your browser history.

Be it big titty cosplaying broads or FTM dominating mommies with golf clubs.

I don't judge. But God will.

 

[Drew1440]

For me the writing of these characters is the main issue, they are always too brash or abrasive and it seems to be a more recent trend. More well written female characters that come to mind would have been Madison from Heavy Rain or Lighting/Fang from Final Fantasy XIII.
Now you could argue Grayson Hunt from Bulletstorm could fall into this with his attitude, but he mellows towards the end and becomes likeable. Most of these modern protagonist's stick with the same attitude (Frey from Forspoken), meaning the experience they have just went through hasn't changed or meant anything to them which devalues the game's story.

Yet they play as Trevor without a problem? Somebody who is ten times "weirder" and actually addicted to drugs.

Trevor was just too much, i always ended up killing him in my playthroughs.

 

[Three]

No, he's dumb. I don't defend "woke games" for an agendas sake. I couldn't care less about Awakening 9, Forspoken, Concord, or any other game because of a woke agenda. I will defend any developers vision to create a game that they want (including those listed, Avowed or any other) but it doesn't mean I have to show interest in a game based purely on an ideology. I simply didn't care about those games and it wasn't because they were 'woke' or not. Most people defending Witcher 4 or Intergalactic do so because they're interested in the game itself and don't agree with the haters who push the other extreme known as "antiwoke", who seem to have a problem with almost everything.

 

[Vlodril]

The intergalactic will flop as hard as Hogwarts did due to the backlash from the "woke" crowd. Both woke and anti woke are batshit insane.. People need to cool off and stop demonising everything under the sun.

 

[vpance]

 

[Skelterz]

South of Midnight. There's nothing wrong with the character, it's just Sweet Baby panic.


Yeah it was probably the actress's idea to have the hair like that, let's just see the fucking game before we panic. This girl is way hotter than most of you are going to get in your lifetimes anyway.

She’s not hot mate behave yourself .

 

[Mister Wolf]

South of Midnight. There's nothing wrong with the character, it's just Sweet Baby panic.


Yeah it was probably the actress's idea to have the hair like that, let's just see the fucking game before we panic. This girl is way hotter than most of you are going to get in your lifetimes anyway.

Just like real life with women, if you're paying for it upfront your expectations are a lot higher.

 

[Skelterz]

I will never understand people with that mindset. You consume media solely based on the looks of the protagonist? Who cares about the looks of a fictional character? Are books, movies, and music only enjoyable if you are attracted to the person performing? This is such a crazy mindset.

No I think you’re missing the point for a lot of people it’s what the character looking like that represents it’s more the intention of the artist rubbing people up the wrong way.

If druckman didn’t design his characters with the sole purpose of sending the message there would be no issue but we all know he’s a complete lunatic and I can assure you if this game don’t make buck it will probably be his last at ND.

 

[Crystal Winters]

No I think you’re missing the point for a lot of people it’s what the character looking like that represents it’s more the intention of the artist rubbing people up the wrong way.

If druckman didn’t design his characters with the sole purpose of sending the message there would be no issue but we all know he’s a complete lunatic and I can assure you do this game don’t make buck it will probably be his last at ND.

The Bolded.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This girl is way hotter than most of you are going to get in your lifetimes anyway.

Obligatory,
“She’s not gonna fuck you dude.”

 

[yanhash]

Obligatory,
“She’s not gonna fuck you dude.”

Hes's not lying tho, you all sound like the fat guy at the bar watching the game while stuffing his face with peanuts screaming at the tv that the team is terrible and lacks any athletic ability

 

[yanhash]

Is this what you guys want? Let gritty games be gritty

 

[Cyberpunkd]

This girl is way hotter than most of you are going to get in your lifetimes anyway.

You got really low standards dude. Also “hair equity” reads like a troll.

 

[Radical_3d]

No, he's dumb. I don't defend "woke games" for an agendas sake. I couldn't care less about Awakening 9, Forspoken, Concord, or any other game because of a woke agenda. I will defend any developers vision to create a game that they want (including those listed, Avowed or any other) but it doesn't mean I have to show interest in a game based purely on an ideology. I simply didn't care about those games and it wasn't because they were 'woke' or not. Most people defending Witcher 4 or Intergalactic do so because they're interested in the game itself and don't agree with the haters who push the other extreme known as "antiwoke", who seem to have a problem with almost everything.

This is the sanest post here. Also there is no winning with you guys: more feminine characters aren’t believable when they face physical action (and I agree) but then you get Sigourney Weaver like characters and then they are not feminine enough. And the games will sold well if they are good games, don’t worry.

 

[Codeblew]

Trevor was great just because he was a complete psycho. My next favorite was Franklin and then Michael. I don't know what that has to do with the ugly shaved head masculine chick in this game, but just thought I would throw in my 2c.

 

[shoegaze]

Is this what you guys want? Let gritty games be gritty

Mate you're being intentionally obtuse. At the core of this discussion is not the looks, but Neil Druckman and his fetish. ND is an amazing team, usurped by a guy that utilises this enormous competency for shoving his own agenda. And probably getting off by pissing people off. It's frustrating because he's like somebody who got access to an enormous power that should've never got access to it.

I fucking love ND but absolutely hate that he took away one of my most beloved devs away.

So the "looks" are where this contention point ended up being crystallised for all of us. He absolutely can't change how the protagonist looks because that admission would mean more than just a "realistic/unrealistic" character portrayal, and everybody knows it.

 

[yanhash]

Mate you're being intentionally obtuse. At the core of this discussion is not the looks, but Neil Druckman and his fetish. ND is an amazing team, usurped by a guy that utilises this enormous competency for shoving his own agenda. And probably getting off by pissing people off. It's frustrating because he's like somebody who got access to an enormous power that should've never got access to it.

I fucking love ND but absolutely hate that he took away one of my most beloved devs away.

So the "looks" are where this contention point ended up being crystallised for all of us. He absolutely can't change how the protagonist looks because that admission would mean more than just a "realistic/unrealistic" character portrayal, and everybody knows it.

Fetish? , the use of the term fetish makes it seem personal, he doesn't owe you or me shit, its his project he can do whatever the hell he wants, he has been behind some of the most acclaimed games of the past decade, and "these people" you claim his pissing off are nobody neckbeards on the internet. If you dont like his vision, dont buy his games. I dont like Micheal Bay, so i stay my ass home and i dont go see his movies, simple.

Critical acclaim and selling 10 million/20 million copies, you actually think he cares about pissing people he doesn't even know exist off.

I guess his fetish is late 90s/early 2000s gritty HBO, deal with it

 

[GymWolf]

Trevor was the star of the show in GTA V for me. It drops an entire tier without him. I thought the Franklin stuff was the most boring. Guy was basically a robotic wet blanket. Really no character to speak of.


Kojima might be the only one in gaming who could pull off an ambiguous Adonis-type and it still come off completely hetero. A true renaissance man.

Yeah, trevor was controversial but franklyn was just an npc of a character, i take bad and controversial over a dull ass character.

That famous cutscene with lamar was the best thing coming out from the franklyn storyline.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Stop with the criticism of Druckmann,
he's a video game god.

 

[yanhash]

Stop with the criticism of Druckmann,
he's a video game god.

Sarcasm or not...

 

[Phobos Base]

Mate you're being intentionally obtuse. At the core of this discussion is not the looks, but Neil Druckman and his fetish. ND is an amazing team, usurped by a guy that utilises this enormous competency for shoving his own agenda. And probably getting off by pissing people off. It's frustrating because he's like somebody who got access to an enormous power that should've never got access to it.

I fucking love ND but absolutely hate that he took away one of my most beloved devs away.

So the "looks" are where this contention point ended up being crystallised for all of us. He absolutely can't change how the protagonist looks because that admission would mean more than just a "realistic/unrealistic" character portrayal, and everybody knows it.

A lot of women would find Joel's rugged looks attractive as well

 

[EN250]

Trevor was great just because he was a complete psycho. My next favorite was Franklin and then Michael. I don't know what that has to do with the ugly shaved head masculine chick in this game, but just thought I would throw in my 2c.

At first Trevor was too much for me, but I ended up liking the character after someone pointed me what he represented, in one of the many switching from character to character I found Trevor in a Faggio chasing a random npc in a Faggio while shouting "WE'RE SCOOTER BROTHERS" like another random pshychotic thing he's used to do, then this guy tells me that was an "easter egg" and to go check where it's was originated, turns out that's was the doing of a random guy playing GTAIV like a psycho

So that's what Trevor is, the embodiment of the unhinged player in a GTA lobby going apeshit and doing random psychotic things while killing a lot in the process, R* added an average teenage tryhard and gave it some sort of purpose in the story, that's really cool and never done before

Also, I know people say Franklin is a wet blanket, but the guy wanted to make it big and leave the hood but everyone in the game kept pulling him down so he never really gets a chance to do what he wants, also the character is tasked to do the most mundane stuff in the game to advance the plot

 

[shoegaze]

Fetish? , the use of the term fetish makes it seem personal, he doesn't owe you or me shit, its his project he can do whatever the hell he wants, he has been behind some of the most acclaimed games of the past decade, and "these people" you claim his pissing off are nobody neckbeards on the internet. If you dont like his vision, dont buy his games. I dont like Micheal Bay, so i stay my ass home and i dont go see his movies, simple.

Critical acclaim and selling 10 million/20 million copies, you actually think he cares about pissing people he doesn't even know exist off.

I guess his fetish is late 90s/early 2000s gritty HBO, deal with it

The quality of the games is all thanks to ND processes that they've developed over the years, with us buying the games and giving them the confidence to grow and improve.

It's not because of Neil Druckman. He is a nobody without ND competency. Why would I just simply move on without expressing my discontent when I was supporting what they were doing for 15 years?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hes's not lying tho, you all sound like the fat guy at the bar watching the game while stuffing his face with peanuts screaming at the tv that the team is terrible and lacks any athletic ability

More projection. Keep it coming fellow losers on the other side of the keyboard trying to talk shit on a nerd ass gaming forum, arguing about video game toys and just as little nuts deep in the character culture war.

Perspective,

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Also funny when the woke lunatics and their weird supporters tries to trash feminine female characters like Eve and a few others by saying they only look good and had no personality when that's not true at all. Cause Eve is actually still more interesting than characters like Aloy, TLOU2 Ellie, Abby, Taash etc as a character so unattractive characters loses not just in the looks department but also had the most boring and uninteresting personalities. Characters like Tifa, Aerith, Eve, Zelda, Chun Li, Cammy, etc etc etc are all more interesting than characters like Ellie, Abby, Taash, Aloy etc even in personality and not just in appearances.

And before people say I'm only saying this because they are good looking which is not true at all because there's plenty of steam adult games with good looking characters but I never find them interesting nor even interested enough to play them. Even the new Dead or Alive bleach game or whatever that got good looking characters but definitely aren't interesting in personality.