Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Sounds painful, and rash inducing.
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UK Fuel Shortage
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GamingKaiju
Member
It’s calmed down around me now. Stations are open, no queues, no shortages.
This isn’t the first time the U.K. suffered driver shortages. Early in the 2000s we had the same problem instead of building and nurturing our own domestic driver force the haulage association just imported drivers suppressing wages making the job not really worth it for our own drivers.
This isn’t the first time the U.K. suffered driver shortages. Early in the 2000s we had the same problem instead of building and nurturing our own domestic driver force the haulage association just imported drivers suppressing wages making the job not really worth it for our own drivers.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
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Tams
Member
Probably overload the grid and get blackouts instead.
And there are other sources of the rare earth metals (not actually that rare). We'll just have other places destroy their environments to extract them.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yep. Everyone forgets:
-Batteries mostly are NOT in fact recyclable... and they weigh a ton.
-Many countries would still need to use... like a coal to produce the electricity
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
Frustrated customers fight on Esso forecourt amid UK fuel crisis
Shocking footage shows the moment a massive brawl breaks out as frustrated customers fight on Esso forecourt amid UK fuel crisis. The brawl is believed to have started over fuel with the parents scuffling on the car bonnet and the younger boys fighting on the floor. After the scrap, the group...
www.independent.co.uk
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Obviously the grid will need to improve and it will. And Tesla has batteries mainly made from iron, barely any rare materials. Phones and laptops use more rare metals.
Wrong. They are already 90% recyclable and will most like improve.
dr_octagon
Banned
Christmas will be like Mad Max at this rate
Fools idol
Banned
I've been filling up with Vpower all week no problems here in the north east. We have quite a small population where I live, and weirdly, quite a lot of stations - none of which from what I could tell had any queues or shortages.
dr_octagon
Banned
the south is taking a bigger hit compared to north
Rat Rage
Member
Most media outlets are just businesses. They just try to sell their stories, and that's why stories get blown out of proportions so often.
lils
Member
true, but the media has a greater responsibility to the public than other businesses. one that they have been ignoring for a while now
Tams
Member
Just another example of how the north is better.
Tams
Member
Ya know it.
dr_octagon
Banned
yorkshire tea is
The only good thing to come out the north is Sean Bean.
Tams
Member
Them be fighting words.
T8SC
Gold Member
Well, it's not like you'll be wanting a bit of Cumberland sausage...
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Wasn’t it the south that conquered the north part of the island and subdued them as subjects to their German queen.
We gave the world clotted cream and cheddar cheese. You’re welcome.
I’m not even a true southerner. I’m from Ireland originally, but the south is my home now.
Tams
Member
Oh god. It just gets even worse.
dr_octagon
Banned
Hey, my people brought you Guinness. Be thankful for that, at least.
TheDreadLord
Member
Most likely it will just shift demand to another commodity (rare metals, blue/gray hydrogen, ammonia, etc). Unfortunately, despite all the green lobby, there isn’t really a solution. Let’s hope that by tech and improved efficiency on industrial processes we can see a real decrease in GHG emissions. We also need a global carbon market. Developed countries must pay for the green shift of developing countries.
Some batteries can be recycled with a fairly high efficiency. The problem is that the demand will sky rocket. Not sure if just by recycling we will solve the issue. Our best bet is probably the nuclear (wind or solar where it makes sense)+hydrogen/ammonia combo. All this transport electrification push sounds more like certain groups looking for $$$ than a real solution for the problem.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yeah. And I have no idea but I bet recycling uses a TON of materials and energy which is probably not worth it
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Electric transportation is better than ICE in about every way. Because of Tesla the change is happening now, without Tesla all the car brands would be like Toyota, waiting until 2030.
Tams
Member
But it really isn't. You can't refuel electric transportation anywhere near as quickly, which is just not great for disparate and individual transport. Worse, it doesn't have the energy density to make large vehicles viable with it at moment or even the foreseeable future. Notice how HGVs, any ship larger than a small ferry, even medium-sized aircraft aren't electric or anywhere close to being so?
If electric were the be all and end all, then we would already have moved away from ICE.
EVs certainly have an important role to play in the future. For certain types of transport in certain places they are best and can help lessen the burden on other fuel sources. But hydrogen (both blue and grey) and synthetic carbon based fuels (made from captured carbon) are far more viable and likely to be incredibly important. 'Greens' balk at the very notion of those, especially the latter, but their dismissiveness and impracticality is exactly why they are so often disregarded.
And Toyota were not only one of the very first to start experimenting with EVs, they have very deliberately decided to focus on hydrogen because they know how limited EVs are. But go on, be that Elon fanboi we all know you are.
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Coolwhhip
Neophyte
The only part of your post that made sense. Great guy indeed.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For some people in certain situations it's better. For most people it's not. EV are best suited for people:
- With money
- Have their own garage they can install the charging system (which costs money and costs more for installing the more powerful plug needed in your garage). People with street parking permits or apartment complex outside parking lots cant, and anyone living in an apartment/condo underground parking might not be able to either depending on the rules and where your parking spot is
- Modest commute
- If you got a longer commute, you got to have a workplace that has chargers and when you make it home, you charge it every day or two in the garage
- Not the car to take on road trips unless you plan out routes and are willing to wait at charging stations, and the drive you are doing has charging stations on the way (or else detour)
- Batteries can die after 4-5 years requiring big money and counter to fuel pollution, you got a giant 2000 lb battery to dump off. Normal battery wear and tear isnt even covered by warranty
- Know and accept your charge can be reduced in winter/cold months
- Are willing to buy an EV car which is probably 1/20th the selection of gas cars
- Most mechanics cant fix EV cars, so you got to bring to the dealership = high prices
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dr_octagon
Banned
cold temperature is also a concern with electric. they should have removable battery packs so you get to a destination, swap out and continue.
you can transport fuel, don't need a fast charger. the convenience factor is currently not there. as mentioned about HGV element, it's fine for average consumers but we don't have trucks and haulage using electric.
Tesla unnecessary put a yoke rather than a traditional steering wheel in their latest car, not the smartest decision from a usability or safety perspective.
you can transport fuel, don't need a fast charger. the convenience factor is currently not there. as mentioned about HGV element, it's fine for average consumers but we don't have trucks and haulage using electric.
Tesla unnecessary put a yoke rather than a traditional steering wheel in their latest car, not the smartest decision from a usability or safety perspective.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The majority of people who have EV trend to people who have money and a garage. And not just any garage. It's got to have room to park a car in it. Not everyone can. If you got a one car garage and have lots of stuff inside, those people park their car on the driveway year round.
EV is most suitable for people who have the garage space in their house, or they have underground condo parking where they are allowed to install a charging station at their parking spot, or they are lucky and the building has money and installed a community set of chargers for everyone and you're able to get a spot that day.
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TheDreadLord
Member
Tbh I am not quite certain about this. It perhaps makes sense for people living in urban centers and/or small countries but I don’t see EVs being that big deal in big countries or sparsely populated regions. Nothing beats the flexibility that a liquid fuel brings to the table and this is where hydrogen comes into play. It is a much better fuel than simple electricity. When it comes to transportation, good luck to move a big sea freight with batteries… there is a reason why people are beating into ammonia (basically to carry hydrogen).
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
Big ships is where hydrogen makes sense I guess.
TheDreadLord
Member
Not necessarily what governments decide is the best or smartest. Tbh, all this recent green push looks more like a reaction than a well though long term plan. The discussion also became pretty much a stage for politicians to promote themselves. It is more about theirs interest than for the planet.
