I guess we're going to find out just how hateful and selfish that generation are. Will they vote for the party whose punchline includes a death tax as one final fuck you.
UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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I guess we're going to find out just how hateful and selfish that generation are. Will they vote for the party whose punchline includes a death tax as one final fuck you.
My God, this country will be worse than North Korea. 
Sadly, I think the Tories will win too. I have far too many young people in my circles who are saying they'll vote Tory and for the life of me I cannot imagine why. Most likely don't even realise what they're signing up for.
Sadly, I think the Tories will win too. I have far too many young people in my circles who are saying they'll vote Tory and for the life of me I cannot imagine why. Most likely don't even realise what they're signing up for.
Little Old Man
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My God, this country will be worse than North Korea.
Sadly, I think the Tories will win too. I have far too many young people in my circles who are saying they'll vote Tory and for the life of me I cannot imagine why. Most likely don't even realise what they're signing up for.
Hyperbole much?
Not sure if ignorance or hyperboleMy God, this country will be worse than North Korea.
Sadly, I think the Tories will win too. I have far too many young people in my circles who are saying they'll vote Tory and for the life of me I cannot imagine why. Most likely don't even realise what they're signing up for.
http://time.com/4274666/arduous-march-north-korea-famine/
Either way, don't.
WhateverItTakes
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My God, this country will be worse than North Korea.
Sadly, I think the Tories will win too. I have far too many young people in my circles who are saying they'll vote Tory and for the life of me I cannot imagine why. Most likely don't even realise what they're signing up for.
Dude things are pretty bleak but it's pretty lame to compare us to a country with work camps and a screen between the outside world.
Kotetsu534
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You're right. Imagine identical families where in one case both parents spend a combined 25 years in care homes suffering from dementia, and in another case they die in hospitals following heart attacks or surgery. One will see their entire estate over £100k eaten away in costs, while the other won't lose any of theirs, despite that they both paid the same taxes across their lifespans.
Of course I doubt this policy will raise anywhere near as much as is predicted - unless it is backed up by extremely tight legislation and an aggressive enforcement body, lawyers will come up with many schemes to sneak property outside it, and parents are already naturally inclined to help their children buy property as is. It will only have a big hit rate on the unlucky among the "just about managing" classes, whose house is likely their only significant asset and who don't have many professionals among their family and acquaintances. It probably won't solve the problem it's intended to, will be terribly unfair, and will be unfair towards exactly the group May is supposedly in politics to defend. No wonder Sir Andrew Dilnot tore it apart.
As an added bonus, anyone directly affected by such unfair policy, while they may blame May and her government in the short-term, will no doubt be less likely to trust government intervention in the long-term.
The political vibe on campus is so misleading, you'd think Labour were a sure in. I'm noticing greater buzz than in 2015 though, seems like the election is on everyone's lips. Could be positive bias, but I've got a diverse range of acquaintances and overhear a lot of people working the student union bar.
I wonder if voter turnout amongst 18-25s will be higher this time around. I hope so.
I wonder if voter turnout amongst 18-25s will be higher this time around. I hope so.
Huw_Dawson
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This will go down as smear by the left, but jeeze - goodbye working class vote.
Honestly I'm sitting here going "let them fight".
Corbyn being a bit too close to the IRA in the past is one of my big problems with him.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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JonathanEx
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Last Leg is back on tonight, I probably should have mentioned this about 40 minutes ago. It's on fine form and this week's guest is Iannucci.
Jezbollah
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I don't think it's irrelevant. I suspect everything's going to unravel over in the 'States and we'll have Pence as a President soon - they're way closer to stability than we are with Brexit (caveat being I don't know Pence much - but he has got to be better qualified than The Donald).
Theonik
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JonathanEx
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I'm (in a twisted way) enjoying the American political coverage more as a politics nerd, but I don't think it's making the election any less relevant.
only if Le Pen had won. Macron is a europhile so at least you know what side he's on. Le Pen would've been trying to undermine the UK and the EU at the same time.
I think in any other year walking hand in hand with Trump would've been a death blow but nobody really cares. Our issues are much closer to home and he'll be gone by the time we're sorted.
Little Old Man
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Of course things like that start somewhere. Of course concerns should be raised when a prime minister starts talking about 'regulating the internet'. But consider this: how far are we seriously, genuinely, away from being in a worrying situation like Turkey? Then look at how far Turkey is from North Korea.
Slopes may be slippery, but it's one gigantic gentle slope that we're on with everyone else, and trust me when I say we aren't too far from the top.
Using the slippery slope arguement in any situation where there is only a slight chance of the worst case ever actually occurring just goes to turn people off from that line of attack in scenarios where there is real danger of going off the deep end.
Yes. Of course they will. Why even the doubt? The Tories will have focus grouped their policies to hell and back. I bet you lynton crosby could give us the exit poll now.
QuicheFontaine
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Saw a poster in a pub tonight that said they would give you a free pint if you were voting for the first time. Can they even tell that from your polling card?
Theonik
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Honour system and reciting The corbyn pledge.
QuicheFontaine
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How does that go again?
Edit: maybe all it takes for me to vote for that guy is like eight pints or something. I believe!
Huw_Dawson
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I strongly disagree with this. This Tory manifesto is all over the place and has far too many obvious problems with it to have been the product of a master designer.
This has been a poor week for May. She has been seen to fall out with her Chancellor and has pitched a manifesto that both deviates quite strongly from the Tory norm and looks extremely nasty and authoritarian.
What everyone was expecting was a slim document with only a few policies of note in it. What instead seems to have happened is that there was a hastily arranged plan - "strong and stable", restricting media access etc - which she's now abandoned in favour of "Theresa May's team" fronting a Tory manifesto which has been presented pretty much entirely as her baby. For some reason the Tory campaign team got shook off of an obviously strong strategy.
In contrast, this is the first week of the campaign that has seen no major disaster for Corbyn. His supporters are enthused - even if none of them think he'll win. What he's shown is that it is possible for the socialist wing of the party to not fall on its face - as long as they keep Abbot locked in a box.
It's also, despite shrieking from certain Lib Dems, been a good week for Farron. The attempted abortion gotcha was slapped away as soon as it came up - if only he'd done that on gay sex! - and the manifesto he launched was a solid document, even if it was immediately ridiculed by Andrew Neil. He then managed to deliver a solid performance on the compromised debate, although once again the hacks groaned at his anecdotes.
The "second referendum" topic is now the core Lib Dem pitch. That will be written off by many this election as too divisive for a public that want to get on with it. In a few months when Brexit has crashed and burned, I think minds will shift pretty quickly.
So in a weird way this has been a shifting point in the campaign. The Tories have changed tack and finally exposed a weakpoint - the fact the British government is what's being voted on, not May. Labour and the Lib Dems have set out distinctive stalls, both divisive in their own ways.
The polling stations are open all day. This is an achievable goal!
QuicheFontaine
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The polling stations are open all day. This is an achievable goal!
If only they set the election for a Saturday
Funnily enough I've had the Friday booked off for a long time before the election was called (holiday in Wales with some mates). I was pretty delighted when I realised I can stay up all night watching the results. And getting hammered, natch.
s_mirage
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When May's promising to create the great firewall of Britain to censor the net? No. Given that, I couldn't give two shits about about Trump.
Theonik
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You receive it from the faithful after you exit the booth.
If I wasn't sure that was against election law I'd offer any gaffer voting labour in a marginal a pint tbh.
Go_Ly_Dow
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The average student lives in a bubble and probably won't bother to vote.
Daffy Duck
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As stupid as i sound I really think May wants to throw the election so Labour have to deal with Brexit then the Tories can come back in 5 years and sweep up.
You really don't think this lel.
May would watch the country and the Tories burn to the ground if it meant she could be prime minister for the next 5 years.
Daffy Duck
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Oh I know I don't deep down, but I can't stop thinking maybe just maybe there's some other prize she has her eye on, I am just dumbfounded by this whole election to be honest.
Makes me think stupid things lol.
Miles Quaritch
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'The government shouldn't pay for dementia or alzheimer's care, the NHS can't afford it and it's because we don't discriminate in how and who we provide healthcare to that the NHS is struggling'
An actual comment from a discussion I had with a 'progressive' voter. (she's a Green or so she claimed...)
An actual comment from a discussion I had with a 'progressive' voter. (she's a Green or so she claimed...)
CyclopsRock
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Is she promising that?
It's like we're back in the 80s part 2. This social darwisim can fuck off.
lol
The Winter Fuel Allowance is one of the devolved benefits. Which is to say, in Scotland it is a matter for Holyrood elections, and has nothing to do with Westminster. (It's currently in a transition stage, so Holyrood sets the level in Scotland, but is paid out by Westminster. Westminster can't fuck about with it unilaterally though, and before the end of the parliament it'll be under full Holyrood control.)
It's done the job though. While I was trying to fact check that I had to wade through pages of news headlines painting this as Ruth Davidson standing up for Scotland against Theresa May, when in reality it's an SNP decision.
Any seat they win by a tight margin you can safely chalk up to this one piece of political theatre.
I'm not laughing anymore.
Yeah. The tories weren't going to cruise to a massive and historic landslide win. The length of the campaign and the nature of the campaign was going to hurt them a bit eventually.It happened a week or two earlier then I expected. Now the question is if the tories will eventually recover their footing.
Fernando Fernandez
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What was that quote about being on the left is like politics in hard mode?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ection-2017-labour-conservative-a7745401.html
The media is attacking Jeremy Corbyn far more than Theresa May through the election campaign, according to a new analysis.
A considerable majority of the reports on Labour are critical of the party and its manifesto, a report from Loughborough University claims. Newspapers are being far more balanced in their coverage of the Conservatives, the report said, with positive and negative reporting balancing each other out.
What's more, the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn's party are coming from the most popular newspapers, with The Sun and the Daily Express particularly focusing their negative coverage on Labour. The Mail and The Times have also been hostile to Labour, the academics report, but have balanced that out with positive reporting on the Conservatives.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ection-2017-labour-conservative-a7745401.html
The media is attacking Jeremy Corbyn far more than Theresa May through the election campaign, according to a new analysis.
A considerable majority of the reports on Labour are critical of the party and its manifesto, a report from Loughborough University claims. Newspapers are being far more balanced in their coverage of the Conservatives, the report said, with positive and negative reporting balancing each other out.
What's more, the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn's party are coming from the most popular newspapers, with The Sun and the Daily Express particularly focusing their negative coverage on Labour. The Mail and The Times have also been hostile to Labour, the academics report, but have balanced that out with positive reporting on the Conservatives.
Starve the beast. Starve the beast. Starve the beast. (it works every time)
It's amazing, there is no evidence at all that we can't afford the NHS, not funding it is a choice by the current government, but they are great at convincing everyone that it is necessary.
And now in graph form:
Amazing that the most balanced GE coverage is to be found in The Daily Star.
And round two of the coverage graphing:
http://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/general-election/media-coverage-2017-general-election-campaign-report-2/
OmegaTreeFish
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Looking at the predictions for my local area (hartfordshire) is depressing. Conservative hold accross the board. Pretty much a guaranteed win for them. Will be voting against them regardless. The amount of terrible crap they want to bring in that will effect others far more than is is just horrible to look at.
CyclopsRock
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I'm not a fan of it but calling the proposals in the manifesto "the great firewall of Britain" is ludicrous.
Funky Papa
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Has echos of David Von Doom
Do you know how I know that's an edited picture?
Von Doom actually cares about his people.
s_mirage
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Not really. They can't remove material from foreign servers, so they'll have to block it. There's already the spectre of virtually all porn sites being blocked because they contain content that can't be passed by BBFC regulations.
31GhostsIV
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I can't find any refernce in the guardian regarding the 'ToryNet' in their manifesto coverage.
I did, however, spot this chestnut:
The government will not proceed with the second part of the Leveson inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press
Murdoch and Dacre's payment in kind for their unwavering support for everyone to see...
I did, however, spot this chestnut:
The government will not proceed with the second part of the Leveson inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press
Murdoch and Dacre's payment in kind for their unwavering support for everyone to see...
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