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The new policy is even worse. It is more regressive than the original!
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Air Zombie Meat
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Caps just going to benefit the wealthiest. Hope people see through it.
QuicheFontaine
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lol you liar
Baleoce
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Yeah North Herefordshire is difficult as it is a Tory stronghold. I say two horse race, but it is a bit of an uphill battle here tbh. At least UKIP aren't standing this time.
This is the situation for us. 2010 results were pretty much considered normal for this constituency, but in 2015 Lib Dems were annhilated and all those votes either went towards a UKIP surge, or generally dispersed into all the other parties (or didn't vote altogether, looking at the turnout). Hoping that it swings back this time.
Yeah, straight out of Trump's playbook. Her evasive nature, her vague manifesto, and her attempts to hypnotise people into voting for her with the "strong and stable" bs demonstrates an overt contempt for voters.
Huw_Dawson
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Clegg on BBC News putting the boot in. Osbourne also echoing the sentiment in the Standard. May's team spent the entire weekend defending a capless policy...
This is exactly what was needed to turn this election around. Ba ha ha ha ha.
Labour politicians across the country thanking whatever deity caused the Tories to do this to themselves.
This is exactly what was needed to turn this election around. Ba ha ha ha ha.
Labour politicians across the country thanking whatever deity caused the Tories to do this to themselves.
Ravensmash
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Surely a cap is even worse?
The chief beneficiaries of a cap would be those who have more savings beyond said cap.
The chief beneficiaries of a cap would be those who have more savings beyond said cap.
Huw_Dawson
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Bing bing bing.
A cap is MORE unfair. Originally it was irrelevant how much your house was worth, meaning that the policy was both evil and progressive - posher house = more money into care system.
Now it is the inverse. Less nice house = greater % of value of house gone, until you get down to the point where the 100k floor matters. I think.
And the core problem is still there. You still have to flog your home for stay-at-home care, you still have to pay onto private insurance market.
A cap is MORE unfair. Originally it was irrelevant how much your house was worth, meaning that the policy was both evil and progressive - posher house = more money into care system.
Now it is the inverse. Less nice house = greater % of value of house gone, until you get down to the point where the 100k floor matters. I think.
And the core problem is still there. You still have to flog your home for stay-at-home care, you still have to pay onto private insurance market.
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The best policy is literally so simple. None of us know whether we could require dementia care in the future. We all ought to pay dementia insurance - a small premium each, in return for the insurance provider meeting the cost of our dementia care should we get dementia. But some of us have less ability to pay this dementia insurance than others, so we have to factor in payment according to need. If we did that with many different insurance companies, nobody would take on the poor or those more likely to get dementia because they would pay less in. So we need a single insurance company. But then you get monopoly problems, so we'd need to have it owned by the state.
So the end result is the state takes a small amount of money from absolutely everyone in proportion to their ability to pay, and meets the full costs of anyone who gets dementia.
I wonder what that sounds like...
So the end result is the state takes a small amount of money from absolutely everyone in proportion to their ability to pay, and meets the full costs of anyone who gets dementia.
I wonder what that sounds like...
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If this happens, I will be really disappointed. She actually just made the policy more regressive than before - the cap on repayments will only affect the richest, which means if your net assets exceed £100,000 but the asset repayment doesn't meet the cap, you could charged proportionally more than those above the cap. It's ludicrous, and if the media lets them dress that up as an improvement or listening to the people, I just... I'd be furious.
Theonik
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Time for the NDS?
The media will spin this you know it's going to happen.
Randy Lanzarote
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This lady is for u-turning.
I bet she's starting to wish she never called this election given the grilling she is getting over this, not to mention those poll numbers starting to turn in Labour's way.
Boris and George must be loving this.
I bet she's starting to wish she never called this election given the grilling she is getting over this, not to mention those poll numbers starting to turn in Labour's way.
Boris and George must be loving this.
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I'm not entirely sure of Mario Kart's potential contributions to dementia care, but in principle I approve.
PowderedToast
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man she got wrecked, the media pulling no punches for once. this is delicious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgGDikcjRxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgGDikcjRxI
The Friendly Monster
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This is absolutely farcical. Undermines her "strong and stable leadership" meme still further, and doesn't actually make the policy fairer. I'm not worried about my bet on a Tory majority just yet, but if Labour reacts quickly and aggressively, the election could still get interesting.
Frankfurter
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Some terrible options in there. Surely there is some middle ground between "medical use" and "decriminalise ALL drugs..." in the cannabis question.
The Friendly Monster
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You can just say "Next question", as I did for that one
.i am alarmed to see the media do their fucking job. holy shit.
Linkstrikesback
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The BBC also called it out for the U turn it is in an article I was reading earlier, which I was surprised to see in print.
Spuck-uk
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CoE still has seats in the house of lords, that shit needs to go.
this is true. they were surface scratches, and no question deviated from "you flip flopped". it's a start though.
Air Zombie Meat
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Weak and wobbly made me laugh.
Theonik
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A Crustacean government would tax an additional one pence on every pound spent on Brain Training games and put it towards our new National Dementia Service free to all at the point of delivery.
Spuck-uk
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'Anyone but Corbyn' has been an old meme for a while now, and is even more ridiculus now he's getting better poll numbers than Milliband.
CharmingCharlie
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Urgh just saw Theresa "Strong and Stable" May accuse Labour of spreading fake news about there being no cap after she spent the best part of several days arguing against a cap.
Personally I would say May looks just as weak and useless as Corbyn and at this point I have no idea what sane rational person would actually vote Tory (hedge fun managers and tax exiles not applicable).
Personally I would say May looks just as weak and useless as Corbyn and at this point I have no idea what sane rational person would actually vote Tory (hedge fun managers and tax exiles not applicable).
Huw_Dawson
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You can just say "Next question", as I did for that one
Oh no it's happening agai-
*enters canvasser mode*
Well if cannabis legalisation is important to you, you'll be interested to know that Huppert, our candidate for Cambridge, was at the core of the movement in the party to get legalisation as formal policy. He's pretty much our pot spokesman, and he'd campaign for legalisation within the hou-
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Yeah I am having a good day. It is nice for the Tories to get called out.
Spuck-uk
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Hrm, and then if we didn't like it we could just defund it over a period of years and claim that it wasn't fit for purpose as we scheme to sell it to our mates in the insurance industry piece by piece.
Spuck-uk
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Surely of a benefit to 'your team' as well, unless you're only trying to get seats from Labour.
Huw_Dawson
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The solution for social care is taxation and merging the NHS and social care. If Beveridge was alive today it is what he would propose.
@Spuck - our target seats do include a few Labour seats but the majority are Tory seats. This definitely helps us.
I want to see Con -> LD swing in this week's polls. Ideally with some Labour returning to us as Corbyn begins to be given a harsher ride - he has been let off on this week.
@Spuck - our target seats do include a few Labour seats but the majority are Tory seats. This definitely helps us.
I want to see Con -> LD swing in this week's polls. Ideally with some Labour returning to us as Corbyn begins to be given a harsher ride - he has been let off on this week.
Genuine question, how does merging help outside of removing a big 'SOCIAL CARE' section from the budget pie chart that Conservatives can look at an salivate about cutting?
Spuck-uk
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Beveridge would also propose that people on JSA should have their reproductive rights removed though.
TheMagician
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May's having an absolute nightmare.
No wonder she didn't want to do the leaders debate. She can't talk without getting wobbly unless it's all rehearsed. Probably why they won't accept any journo questions unless they're pre-supplied.
Imagine her in negotiations? She's got absolutely no chance. I never thought I'd say this but she's a huge drop down from Cameron.
No wonder she didn't want to do the leaders debate. She can't talk without getting wobbly unless it's all rehearsed. Probably why they won't accept any journo questions unless they're pre-supplied.
Imagine her in negotiations? She's got absolutely no chance. I never thought I'd say this but she's a huge drop down from Cameron.
QuicheFontaine
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Surprised by how high Tim is there tbh
Audioboxer
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I think I Side With is better
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Different time and place. So did lots of contemporary pre-War socialists - eugenics was a big thing.
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This is sort of what I work on at the moment (consultant for care companies), so I can do a post explaining this in more detail when back from work.
Possumowner
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Wow just wow...keep it up Theresa
Go_Ly_Dow
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Unfortunately, my constituency is a lost cause and will remain a lost cause.
General Election 2015: Huntingdon
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative Jonathan Djanogly 29,652 53.0 +4.2
Labour Nik Johnson [10] 10,248 18.3 +7.3
UKIP Paul Bullen[10] 9,473 16.9 +10.9
Liberal Democrat Rod Cantrill[11] 4,375 7.8 −21.1
Green Thomas MacLennan[12] 2,178 3.9 +2.7
Majority 19,404 34.7
Turnout 67.9
Conservative hold Swing −1.6
The Tories have had a 50%+ share since forever.
General Election 2015: Huntingdon
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative Jonathan Djanogly 29,652 53.0 +4.2
Labour Nik Johnson [10] 10,248 18.3 +7.3
UKIP Paul Bullen[10] 9,473 16.9 +10.9
Liberal Democrat Rod Cantrill[11] 4,375 7.8 −21.1
Green Thomas MacLennan[12] 2,178 3.9 +2.7
Majority 19,404 34.7
Turnout 67.9
Conservative hold Swing −1.6
The Tories have had a 50%+ share since forever.
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