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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
Green Party Manifesto a.k.a How to make JC look right wing:

- Universal income
- 4 Day working week (maximum of 35 hours)
- Second referendum on Brexit

I think Lucas has Brighton sewn up anyway but Labour + better brexit strategy might be a compelling argument in Bristol, would be great to see them get a second seat.
 
Go_Ly_Dow

Go_Ly_Dow

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I almost felt the same glimmers of hope for a Labour resurgence as some of you, but then I remembered the hundreds of thousands of silent voters in big northern regions who abandoned Labour.

They ain't coming back so quickly.
 
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FlammableD

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Yeah, I'm in Guildford, which is usually super Tory. That said, before the collapse at the last election, the Lib Dems weren't toooo far behind, and we voted Remain, so I'm hopeful.

Then again, we were the center of that sweetheart deal council, and we still voted the Tories back in, so who knows
 
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liquidtmd

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TheMagician said:
May's having an absolute nightmare.

No wonder she didn't want to do the leaders debate. She can't talk without getting wobbly unless it's all rehearsed. Probably why they won't accept any journo questions unless they're pre-supplied.

Imagine her in negotiations? She's got absolutely no chance. I never thought I'd say this but she's a huge drop down from Cameron.
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Pretty much. In terms of tackling spontaneous Q&A, she's as strong and stable as Trump is
 
PJV3

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TheMagician said:
May's having an absolute nightmare.

No wonder she didn't want to do the leaders debate. She can't talk without getting wobbly unless it's all rehearsed. Probably why they won't accept any journo questions unless they're pre-supplied.

Imagine her in negotiations? She's got absolutely no chance. I never thought I'd say this but she's a huge drop down from Cameron.
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Cameron had a career bullshitting for ITV, he was definitely smoother than May if you like that sort of thing.
 
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FlammableD said:
Yeah, I'm in Guildford, which is usually super Tory. That said, before the collapse at the last election, the Lib Dems weren't toooo far behind, and we voted Remain, so I'm hopeful.

Then again, we were the center of that sweetheart deal council, and we still voted the Tories back in, so who knows
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Near Pompey?
 
Audioboxer

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Right, who's not posting on GAF today?

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Huw_Dawson

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Saw LD diamonds in Guildford at the start of the month. If you want cheering up the vote share is likely to improve a bjt and we will look more competitive.

And Crab you should know well that Beveridge was a Liberal! :D
 
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TimmmV

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The Tories handling things so badly when this entire election is the consequence of political opportunism in the first place is astounding

Bodes well for negotiations with the EU!
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Once we have more automation I support reducing hours/guaranteeing basic income. Not a bad idea for ten or fifteen years down the road.

It'd cheer Crab up too as it makes the government more efficient. Less services and red tape, more redistribution of wealth.
 
Theonik

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Crab said:
Different time and place. So did lots of contemporary pre-War socialists - eugenics was a big thing.
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It wasn't until the nazis that eugenics became uncool. Hell in many ways they were taking popular ideology from across the spectrum to its logical conclusion.

Many in the scientific community still wish for them albeit the game is now in seeking less morally deprived ways of implementing them. 'Gene therapy' is eugenics under a different less genocidal guise.
 
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FlammableD

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Huw_Dawson said:
Saw LD diamonds in Guildford at the start of the month. If you want cheering up the vote share is likely to improve a bjt and we will look more competitive.

And Crab you should know well that Beveridge was a Liberal! :D
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I'm holding my nose a bit with the Lib Dem vote, but FPTP needs must, and really Farron's voting record is enough to make me comfortable.
 
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Rodelero

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So, how long is it going to be before the Conservatives come up with some hastily put together value for this cap? I'd guess they'll drop it before the end of the week.
 
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Unclebenny

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Nice to see the conservatives finally come under some pressure.

I think the sad truth is that there is simply not enough time for public opinion to swing around to Labour. Unless something drastic happens (May punches a WW2 veteran) public opinion doesn't switch that quickly.

The incompetence of the conservatives is spectacular though. Especially considering their strategy is basically to say as little as possible and leave Corbyn and Labour to hang themselves with infighting/ unpopular policies.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Latest ICM has Tories still on a 14 point lead - 47/33/9/4.

Looks like 8-9% is about where the LDs are now. This is a mortal wound to May's campaign though. How much blood she loses before election day is an open question.

But we are now beginning to see discrepancies in the polls. A few more with weird results (9-14% lead?) and I might begin to suspect some have their weightings or samples wrong.
 
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Beefy

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SlipperyFishes said:
It sucks being in a Conservative stronghold over here in Portsmouth :(
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Same here in Southampton. The dude that won the vote here has been voted the laziest MP of all time. He barely shows up for votes etc. Just stays in his office which is above a conservative pub 😂
 
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empyrean

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I'm not getting carried away with any potential labour swing. I got a bit carried away with milliband towards the end as it seemed like he had some momentum. I'm firmly expecting a big Tory win.
 
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TimmmV

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empyrean said:
I'm not getting carried away with any potential labour swing. I got a bit carried away with milliband towards the end as it seemed like he had some momentum. I'm firmly expecting a big Tory win.
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Same, I don't see the manifestos having enough of an impact to see a big enough swing from Tories to Labour

The council elections were only 2/3 weeks ago, and Labour were humiliated. I cant see that changing so quickly.

It is nice to see the Tories handling things so badly though. Just depressing that despite it, they'll still win regardless
 
PJV3

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Huw_Dawson said:
Latest ICM has Tories still on a 14 point lead - 47/33/9/4.

Looks like 8-9% is about where the LDs are now. This is a mortal wound to May's campaign though. How much blood she loses before election day is an open question.

But we are now beginning to see discrepancies in the polls. A few more with weird results (9-14% lead?) and I might begin to suspect some have their weightings or samples wrong.
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Labour still closing the gap by 6 points over the week.
 
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Ghost said:
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Typical that when Corbyn and the rest of the team are in Hull I'm away. I'd have introduced them to chip spice.

Anyway, I'm sure that May abandoning policy at the first sign of unhappiness from the Mail and Express bodes well for the future.
 
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Dirtyshubb

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After browsing that PM questions video I saw the suggested ad as an attack piece on Corbyn from the lib dems.

I used to like the lib dems but its actions like this that really put me off. I Understand they are fighting against everyone but the focus needs to be on being anti tory, not hit out at other parties who are also promoting progressive platforms.

The best chance every party who considers themselves progressive has is for them all to hammer home the tories faults and historical results and give across a good alternative for people to vote for. Changing the narrative of the country is far more important that stealing a few seats from Labour.

I'm not saying go out and say 'vote for the other party' but adding to the corporate medias agenda by attacking something good just comes across as entirely self serving and goes against the ideals of progressives.
 
PJV3

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D4Danger said:
she's just so uncomfortable being asked questions that aren't pre approved by Tory PR.

I can't even imagine how bad she would be on a live tv debate.
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I want live coverage of her negotiating with the EU, I want to see how she would deal with heads of state pissing on her chips.
 
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War Peaceman

You're a big guy.
I've said it many times but May is incredibly inflexible and unimaginative. By nature she is cautious and hedges her bets. You need to be flexible to be a politician - changing bad policies is a good thing! By repeating how stable she is she has set herself up to be criticised when she changes position but lacks the wit to make the argument. She's like the anti-Boris.
 
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PJV3 said:
Labour still closing the gap by 6 points over the week.
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The problem is that Corbyn, although he's improved, is still toxic to the electorate. I don't think he can get past 35% or so, but he's doing 10 points better than I expected already. The Labour Uncut post had a drop in support due to Corbyn in voter base that endangered a lot of seats.

I think if the LDs were actually competitive in the seats they had been in 2015, this would be a different story. But 9% and only seriously contesting the same amount of seats as the SNP at best has left a lot of voters voting Labour due to absence of choice.

This is what I think is happening - everyone is wobbly. Just Labour is LESS wobbly. And honestly I think the polls are badly out.
 
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Theonik said:
I wonder what kinda of alchemy needs be performed to push May into a TV debate. I think it might be possible.
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She has nothing to gain from it and everything to lose, so she will never accept.

They will never gain a bigger lead than they have (or had until last week) so they are avoiding discussing their policies as much as possible.

So that's why May and husband will appear on the One Show but not in a debate. It's why they are limiting press access as much as possible.
If they say as little as possible they can't damage their support, especially as much of it is built on distrust fro Corbyn. It's personality politics in it's blandest form.

The public trust May because she seems "nice" and says all the "right" things. The right things being anti-Europe rhetoric, being strong and stable and engendering trust. Doesn't matter that she has done nothing to prove any of this. As long as that is the general public perception of her.
 
Theonik

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Unclebenny said:
She has nothing to gain from it and everything to lose, so she will never accept.

They will never gain a bigger lead than they have (or had until last week) so they are avoiding discussing their policies as much as possible.

So that's why May and husband will appear on the One Show but not in a debate. It's why they are limiting press access as much as possible.
If they say as little as possible they can't damage their support, especially as much of it is built on distrust fro Corbyn. It's personality politics in it's blandest form.

The public trust May because she seems "nice" and says all the "right" things. The right things being anti-Europe rhetoric, being strong and stable and engendering trust. Doesn't matter that she has done nothing to prove any of this. As long as that is the general public perception of her.
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That was her strategy so far and she wanted the election to be built around Brexit but the opposition has successfully shifted the message from that. If she loses any more support I can imagine being forced into a debate to try and salvage this. We just need to time this right.
 
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Man, what a disgrace that woman is. Spouting absolute bullshit about Labour and Corbyn screaming about fake news ("ITS ALL FAKE - but we're changing it anyway") and fear mongering, along with the general complete contempt for journalists actually doing their job. Fucking Trump tactics.

Surely they have to have a figure for the cap? She's gonna be with Andrew Neil tonight for christ sake. I bet there's some furious re-write of questions going on right now. Hope he eats her soul.
 
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Rodelero

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HotHamWater said:
Man, what a disgrace that woman is. Spouting absolute bullshit about Labour and Corbyn screaming about fake news ("ITS ALL FAKE - but we're changing it anyway") and fear mongering, along with the general complete contempt for journalists actually doing their job. Fucking Trump tactics.

Surely they have to have a figure for the cap? She's gonna be with Andrew Neil tonight for christ sake. I bet there's some furious re-write of questions going on right now. Hope he eats her soul.
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I can't help but feel Andrew Neil will roll over for her to be honest, at least, relative to how he would be with anyone else.
 
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Chinner

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HotHamWater said:
Man, what a disgrace that woman is. Spouting absolute bullshit about Labour and Corbyn screaming about fake news ("ITS ALL FAKE - but we're changing it anyway") and fear mongering, along with the general complete contempt for journalists actually doing their job. Fucking Trump tactics.

Surely they have to have a figure for the cap? She's gonna be with Andrew Neil tonight for christ sake. I bet there's some furious re-write of questions going on right now. Hope he eats her soul.
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"Theresa May , Your Campaign Seems To Have the Momentum of a Runaway Freight Train. Why Are You So Popular?”
 
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