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[DenchDeckard]

Starfield charted at number 31 for 2023 while FF16 was 32.
The people claiming Starfield was doing amazing and FF16 was a flop right now...


Forspoken was 96. (I bought it for £10, still haven't opened it).
I thought we liked racing games in the UK? The fuck happened to Forza?

I think starfield did pretty well if it beat out ff xvi when it was on pc and xbox gamepass.

Final fantasy was sonys big exclusive for the year outside of spuder man.

either ffxvi flopped or I dunno

 

[Tsaki]

Forza ultra bomba. They'll have to write off quite a bit of Turn10's budget for the past 5 years

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Forza ultra bomba. They'll have to write off quite a bit of Turn10's budget for the past 5 years

I just don't know where they go from here. Almost certainly will have to shutter the studio.

What prospects are there for a Forza Motorsport 2 when this one failed so badly?

 

[Daneel Elijah]

I just don't know where they go from here. Almost certainly will have to shutter the studio.

What prospects are there for a Forza Motorsport 2 when this one failed so badly?

Alan Hartman got to be the leader of Xbox studios. I think that he will use his new position to get the studio some help. 343 industries got many chances before the restructuration. It should be the same for Turn10. And as Redfall and Halo proved Xbox sometimes somehow don't evaluate as they should the state of their games. They just need them to be on time more than they need them to be great. Forza gave them plenty of success in the past and they really don't need the bad PR of firing key members of the studio.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Alan Hartman got to be the leader of Xbox studios. I think that he will use his new position to get the studio some help. 343 industries got many chances before the restructuration. It should be the same for Turn10. And as Redfall and Halo proved Xbox sometimes somehow don't evaluate as they should the state of their games. They just need them to be on time more than they need them to be great. Forza gave them plenty of success in the past and they really don't need the bad PR of firing key members of the studio.

Halo is much more important to Microsoft than Forza and there are two Forza series. It's difficult to maintain both when the games are on GamePass and the Xbox userbase is small.

There are so many racing games out these days, it's really difficult to stand out. You can't really be subpar.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Halo is much more important to Microsoft than Forza and there are two Forza series. It's difficult to maintain both when the games are on GamePass and the Xbox userbase is small.

There are so many racing games out these days, it's really difficult to stand out. You can't really be subpar.

In theory you are right, but in Xbox peculiar situation they have more to loose than to gain by killing a historic studio for no good reason. After Killzone lack of success Guerrilla got to make Horizon Zero dawn. After GOW ascenscion and their new IP failure Santa Monica got to make GOW 2018. Insomniac got some not very good games with All in one and sunset overdrive, and they did Spiderman after that. IF the studio is healthy, and with Covid out of the way, killing them would be stupid IMHO. Xbox need some stability with all the changes we are been seeing those last few years. If Redfall don't kill Arkane, Forza should survive too.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

In theory you are right, but in Xbox peculiar situation they have more to loose than to gain by killing a historic studio for no good reason. After Killzone lack of success Guerrilla got to make Horizon Zero dawn. After GOW ascenscion and their new IP failure Santa Monica got to make GOW 2018. Insomniac got some not very good games with All in one and sunset overdrive, and they did Spiderman after that. IF the studio is healthy, and with Covid out of the way, killing them would be stupid IMHO. Xbox need some stability with all the changes we are been seeing those last few years. If Redfall don't kill Arkane, Forza should survive too.

I think Sony has a better track record here than Microsoft.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

I think Sony has a better track record here than Microsoft.

True. Time will tell, but I would be really surprised if something bad happen to Turn 10 in the next few months.

 

[Danwan224]

That's so bad for forza in the UK

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Updated: In March we get 2023 yearly numbers from ERA to confirm if these numbers are accurate.

For active platforms

PS4: 7.76M
NSW: 6.79M
PS5: 3.58M
XBS: 2.50M

 

[sachos]

UK GSD December 2023 Top 10 (Digital and Physical)​

Position	Title
1	EA Sports FC 24 (EA)
2	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Activision Blizzard)
3	Hogwarts Legacy (Warner Bros)
4	Super Mario Bros Wonder (Nintendo)*
5	Grand Theft Auto 5 (Rockstar)
6	Spider-Man 2 (Sony)
7	Mario Kart 8: Deluxe (Nintendo)*
8	Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora (Ubisoft)
9	Red Dead Redemption 2 (Rockstar)
10	Nintendo Switch Sports (Nintendo)*

*Digital data unavailable

Its wild to me how Nintendo keeps topping the charts with physical sales alone.