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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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MmmSkyscraper

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Salazar said:
Harriet Harman ruling herself out of leadership contention was amusing.

Kind of like me phoning Kate Winslet to tell her there can never be anything between us.
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:lol

Thanks for the newsflash Harriet!
 
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Chinner

Banned
Whats that from?

Two interesting things:
1.01pm: This could be significant. Conservative Way Forward, a Thatcherite ginger group within the Conservative party, has issued a statement saying it has "considerable concern" about the state of the coalition talks with Lib Dems. It wants David Cameron to form a minority Conservative government. The full text of the statement is now on ConservativeHome.

Conservative Way Forward probably isn't as influential as it used to be, but it does represent the views of a section of the Conservative party. (Lady Thatcher is its honorary president, and its honorary vice presidents include William Hague, Liam Fox and David Davis.) It wants Cameron to reject a coalition. But, as William Hague explained to journalists last night, the Lib Dems are now insisting on coalition or nothing.
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And the Unions have spoken:
The Unite union (Labour's largest single financial backer) has issued a letter backing a Labour-Lib Dem deal. The letter, from the joint general secretaries Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, has been sent to the 100-odd MPs who belong to the Unite parliamentary group.

Live blog: quote

As you know Labour are now in formal talks with the Liberal Democrats to see if we can agree a stable government to secure the economic recovery and change our politics. Together we can form a progressive coalition, a coalition that would reflect that over 60% of the population rejected the Tories last week.

We believe that this represents the best option for the future of the country at this difficult time. It is trade union members that would pay with their jobs for a Tory government that would cut immediately and strangle the economic recovery at birth.
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mclem

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gofreak said:
Mega-lol @ John Prescott on the BBC:

'They're going to get another Tory to speak'

"they'll get Adam Boulton on"
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Brilliantly, they just wound up and moved on to something else. As the reporter was leading into it, we hear Prescott - miked up - addressing the audience, saying "You'll notice they've cut me mike off".

They hadn't.
 
louis89

louis89

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sohois said:
Have there, or will there be any polling on what kind of coalition/government the public might want? As much as people say that the public 'voted' for a hung parliament, they didn't, they voted for who they wanted to win, so i think it would be interesting to see how the public wants to see the current situation worked out.
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Glad that someone else has pointed this out... I'm so sick of people saying "the people have chosen a hung parliament". There was no "hung parliament" option on the ballot paper. Just because this is the end result doesn't mean it's what people wanted. I'd also be interested in seeing those polls.
 
Acheteedo

Acheteedo

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Currently trending on twitter:

FPTP error 404: Government not found. Please reset your voting system to proportional representation and try again
 
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painey

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its looking like the best we can hope for is a Con-Lib coalition, a failed PR referedum and after a nightmare 4 years, a 1997 style Labour landslide.
 
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Varion

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painey said:
its looking like the best we can hope for is a Con-Lib coalition, a failed PR referedum and after a nightmare 4 years, a 1997 style Labour landslide.
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If only Labour had lost less seats, this would be totally different if they could make 326 between them.

At least a Con-Lib coalition is likely to be better than a Conservative majority though.
 
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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Would the LibDems accept a compromise where the Conservatives allow an electoral reform referendum and take no public position, as opposed to one where they allow an electoral reform referendum and actively work to torpedo it? Would the Conservatives offer such a thing?
 
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seal_club

Neo Member
Chinner said:
how do you think i feel? i got a exam tomorrow? :lol
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i missed the fucking resignation announcement yesterday because i was in an exam. thanks "condensed matter", you asshole. another one tomorrow too.

WOOOO EDUCATION
 
phisheep

phisheep

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painey said:
its looking like the best we can hope for is a Con-Lib coalition, a failed PR referedum and after a nightmare 4 years, a 1997 style Labour landslide.
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Depends a bit on how much, if any, credibility Labour can retain in opposition. It won't do them a lot of good if they attempt to vote down every budget reduction that might affect their pals - national interest my foot.

The bonfire of anti-civil liberties Labour legislation will be a joy to behold and hugely welcomed - an opposition Labour party will have quite a bit of trouble working out whether to oppose it or support it.
 
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Varion

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Incidentally do we know if the Lib Dems have done their polls of the MPs and federal executive yet? The BBC's making this sound like the Lib Dems giving their verdict on the offer, but without those polls they can't exactly say 'well take it'.
 
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Chinner

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Labour MPs opposed to proportional representation are meeting this afternoon to discuss their strategy - it's not looking good for a Labour-LibDem deal, says the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg.Read Laura Kuenssberg's tweets
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Will be interesting to see how many turn up.
 
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Xavien

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Wow, the BBC presenter is really trying to shoot the Lab-Lib coalition down while trying to stay impartial, rather hilarious.
 
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iapetus

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Stumpokapow said:
Would the LibDems accept a compromise where the Conservatives allow an electoral reform referendum and take no public position, as opposed to one where they allow an electoral reform referendum and actively work to torpedo it? Would the Conservatives offer such a thing?
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The Conservatives would work to torpedo an electoral reform referendum whoever proposes it. Asking them to do otherwise is kind of unreasonable, and I can't see the Lib Dems doing that.

The real sticking point is likely to be the actual content of that referendum. Lib Dems want STV. Labour offered a referendum on AV+. Tories are offering a referendum on AV. You can see the rough impact of each of these models here.
 
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Atrophis

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Varion said:
Can people stop going over this 'no one won, everyone lost' battle of semantics already :l
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Too many Tories in denial over how FPTP works even though they are so desperate to keep hold of it.
 
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iapetus

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Shanadeus

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iapetus said:
The Conservatives would work to torpedo an electoral reform referendum whoever proposes it. Asking them to do otherwise is kind of unreasonable, and I can't see the Lib Dems doing that.

The real sticking point is likely to be the actual content of that referendum. Lib Dems want STV. Labour offered a referendum on AV+. Tories are offering a referendum on AV. You can see the rough impact of each of these models here.
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That's quite helpful when comparing AV+, STV and PR - I would be happy with either of those as they'd probably have to create yet another coalition government next election.

Coalitions for the win :D
 
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Burai

shitonmychest57
Varion said:
Can people stop going over this 'no one won, everyone lost' battle of semantics already :l
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It's not semantics. That's how FPTP politics works. If you don't pass the post, you don't win.
 
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Varion

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Burai said:
It's not semantics. That's how FPTP politics works. If you don't pass the post, you don't win.
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I know. But the BBC reporters keep arguing about that over and over again pretty much every time an MP comes on to talk to them.
 
phisheep

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Burai said:
It's not semantics. That's how FPTP politics works. If you don't pass the post, you don't win.
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OK. Just needs a change of terminology so everyone agrees.

The Tories didn't win ... but they did come first.
 
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Chinner

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Empty said:
evan harris preaching truth on bbc news.
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yeah he is, its refreshing.

I know alot of us don't like it, but realistically, a Con Dem (LOL!) coalition is the way to go. It'll provide a good majority and a somewhat stable government. If the Lib Dems have managed to get the tories to agree with the a fixed term coalition then that's probably the best way to go. The Lib Dems will dilute the Tories, and we won't have to worry about another election coming up in a years time and the tories getting an ouright majority and going crazy with what they want.
 
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Atrophis

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Haha guy with a loudspeaker now. BBC handling the protesters with class.

If this was Sky News they would have abanded this hours ago :lol
 
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