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[travisbickle]

I want their figures and I want the figures to disprove his point by other parties.

The figures are that there are more immigrants then there were 50 years ago, the BNP's point is the world is a worse place then it was 50 years ago, the solution for the BNP is to get rid off all immigrants.

This does not add anything to political discussion, like I said before they take facts about immigrant population and facts about social problems and create a link between the two, it's not politics it's racism.

 

[Acheteedo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_week/8631907.stm

Richard Madeley and others bitterly discussing the Lib Dem surge.

 

[Mr. Sam]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_week/8631907.stm

Richard Madeley and others bitterly discussing the Lib Dem surge.

Watched that at the time. It was rubbish then, and it's rubbish now.

 

[NekoFever]

Well, I think freedom of speech as an absolute principle is completely ridiculous. As is anybody who supports it as such. Freedom of opinion, by all means.

There's nowhere where it's an absolute right - it's illegal almost everywhere to issue a death threat or libel someone, for example - but genuinely held political opinions do absolutely have the right to be heard as far as I'm concerned. They have the right to express that opinion, and you or I have the right to express a dissenting one. If you don't like it, don't listen or go out and prove them wrong.

The speech that people agree with doesn't need protecting by definition.

 

[jas0nuk]

THAT'S WHAT AM TALKIN ABOUT :lol

Good poster, nice clear message, and I agree with the policy.

 

[Empty]

tories realising the need to secure the crucial smokydave vote.

 

[Chinner]

tories realising the need to secure the crucial smokydave vote.

all they need now is a "i hate minorities" poster and smokeydave and his bnp brethrens will start flocking towards the tories.

 

[Mr. Sam]

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451b31c69e2013480008990970c-500wi[IMG]

THAT'S WHAT AM TALKIN ABOUT :lol

Good poster, nice clear message, and I agree with the policy.[/QUOTE]

And the backdrop makes it somewhat difficult to photoshop. Fucking [I]geniuses[/I].

 

[Acheteedo]

And the backdrop makes it somewhat difficult to photoshop. Fucking geniuses.

:lol

 

[Empty]

new polls.

angus reid:

Conservative 32% (nc)
Liberal Democrats 33% (+1%)
Labour 23% (-1%)

Good to see the Lib Dems continue sustain most of their gains from last week, as we move closer to debate number 2, though we should get a better picture with the rest of the polls.



How would you vote if you thought the Liberal Democrats had a significant chance of winning?

Conservative 25%
Liberal Democrats 49%
Labour 19%

So frustrating.

 

[Nexus Zero]

new polls.

angus reid:


Good to see the Lib Dems continue sustain most of their gains from last week, as we move closer to debate number 2, though we should get a better picture with the rest of the polls.

How would you vote if you thought the Liberal Democrats had a significant chance of winning?



So frustrating.

So frustrating as it would give them the seats needed. Plus I've got a £25 bet that they win an overall majority (curse you 4/20!)

 

[jas0nuk]

POLLS TONIGHT - will update this post later on
edit: Beaten (partially)

Angus Reid for Politicalbetting
CON 32 LD 33 LAB 23
Hung parliament

Populus for The Times
CON 32 LD 31 LAB 28
Very hung parliament

 

[Chinner]

POLLS TONIGHT - will update this post later on
edit: Beaten (partially)

Angus Reid for Politicalbetting
CON 32 LD 33 LAB 23
Hung parliament

Populus for The Times
CON 32 LD 31 LAB 28
Very hung parliament

how you holding up tiger

 

[Wes]

 

[Acheteedo]

How would you vote if you thought the Liberal Democrats had a significant chance of winning?

Conservative 25%
Liberal Democrats 49%
Labour 19%

So frustrating.

Holy crap, that is a stunning statistic. So we're a lib dem nation then... crazy. The future from here (post election) gets very interesting.

 

[Linkified]

The figures are that there are more immigrants then there were 50 years ago, the BNP's point is the world is a worse place then it was 50 years ago, the solution for the BNP is to get rid off all immigrants.

This does not add anything to political discussion, like I said before they take facts about immigrant population and facts about social problems and create a link between the two, it's not politics it's racism.

It really does it adds and creates a message that the main central parties must find out why people voted BNP at the last council elections, in machester etc. And find out how to capture BNP's support.

The thing with freedom of speech I want full freedom of speech I have the right to be offended to by whatever you say as long as your words don't turn into physical harm between two members of society. You look at freedom of speech in the european parliament where members had referenda placards and were evicted from the chamber and fined, thats why you need freedom of speech - remove a freedom or right or alter them breaks the very prinicples of democracy. Everyone should have freedom of speech.

 

[jas0nuk]

How would you vote if you thought the Liberal Democrats had a significant chance of winning?

Conservative 25%
Liberal Democrats 49%
Labour 19%

House of Commons
Liberal Democrats 525 seats
Conservatives 44 seats
Labour 53

LIB DEM MAJORITY 400

:lol

 

[Nexus Zero]

House of Commons
Liberal Democrats 525 seats
Conservatives 44 seats
Labour 53

LIB DEM MAJORITY 400

:lol

Are the Lib Dems even fielding that many people?

 

[Linkified]

Are the Lib Dems even fielding that many people?

I think they have someone for every england constituency, and possibly wales and that is it.

House of Commons
Liberal Democrats 525 seats
Conservatives 44 seats
Labour 53

LIB DEM MAJORITY 400

:lol

You have it wrong it would be:
Liberal Democrats 562 seats
Conservatives 30 seats
Labour 34 seats
Other 24 seats

Lib dem majority of 474

 

[Mr. Sam]

I think they have someone for every england constituency, and possibly wales and that is it.

So the Lib Dems aren't fielding any seats in the country where they recently formed part of the government? Risky strategy.

 

[Empty]

Interesting point about current polls made on UK Polling Report.

One of the important questions we are considering is how long the Lib Dem boost will last and to what degree it will have faded by the time we reach polling day. Someone has reminded me in the comments that a significant proportion of people have postal votes now, so some people will be starting to vote comparatively soon.

With the Tory message seemingly changing by the second, about attacking Brown again, then suddenly no longer and instead about reinforcing the positive, then suddenly a move to the right to secure their base over benefits (see poster at the top of the page), they may not have time to get a coherent and working strategy down and the Lib Dem surge under control before the real damage is done.

 

[Linkified]

So the Lib Dems aren't fielding any seats in the country where they recently formed part of the government? Risky strategy.

Whoops yeah and scotland don't know if it every seat though. I can't see any candidates for them in N.Ireland

 

[Empty]

Yougov (Fieldwork 19-20 April 2010)

http://twitter.com/YouGov/status/12531913789

Conservative: 31% (-2%)
Labour: 26% (-1%)
Liberal Democrats: 34% (+3%)

Fucking hell :lol

 

[PhoenixDark]

Quick question from an American: I was told that even if Clegg were to beat Cameron and Brown, he wouldn't become PM unless his party also took control of the House of Commons. Is that true?

 

[Empty]

Quick question from an American: I was told that even if Clegg were to beat Cameron and Brown, he wouldn't become PM unless his party also took control of the House of Commons. Is that true?

Yes. We have a system where the PM is the leader of the biggest party in parliament, and because of a number of problems with this system (though others dispute that these are problems), it would take the Lib Dems getting like 42% of the vote to gain a majority in parliament, as their vote is spread out across the country evenly whereas the other two parties have strong core bases of support. Clegg and the LD's could actually win the popular vote but come third in the number of seats.

 

[Wes]

Quick question from an American: I was told that even if Clegg were to beat Cameron and Brown, he wouldn't become PM unless his party also took control of the House of Commons. Is that true?

My understanding:

Pretty much. Vote percentage =/= Seats in the House of Commons and it is the number of seats which will determine who governs.

Clegg and the Lib Dems are starting miles behind Labour and the Conservatives in terms of seats they already have so a couple of percentage points win in terms of vote share across the nation would see their number of seats go up of course, but not enough to have a majority and create a parliament.


Others here are way more enlightened on this subject than me and will no doubt supply you with better information whilst correcting me

 

[jas0nuk]

Quick question from an American: I was told that even if Clegg were to beat Cameron and Brown, he wouldn't become PM unless his party also took control of the House of Commons. Is that true?

We don't vote for the PM, we vote for the party we want, in each seat. A general election is actually 650 mini elections in each of the little voting areas (constituencies) of the UK.
If a party wins 326 of the 650 seats, they control the House of Commons and form the next government, with the leader of that party becoming PM by default. If no party wins 326 the parliament is hung and parties have to do a deal to get over the 326 line. The parties involved decide who to be PM, and then the Queen appoints their choice.

YouGov poll = insane! Excellent for the Lib Dems, terrible for the Conservatives, even worse for Labour. I'm just enjoying the weirdness of it all right now. I hear ComRes are about to publish a poll completely different. We'll see in a bit.

 

[travisbickle]

THAT'S WHAT AM TALKIN ABOUT :lol

Good poster, nice clear message, and I agree with the policy.

I've heard through the grapevine the next poster campaign:

"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse to give up children they shouldn't have had."

 

[PhoenixDark]

Thanks for the clarification gentlemen. Is there any push for some type of change/reform to that system? Over here, I'd love to see the senate changed to pure majority rule, instead of letting a minority hold shit up with parliamentary tricks.

 

[Empty]

Thanks for the clarification gentlemen. Is there any push for some type of change/reform to that system? Over here, I'd love to see the senate changed to pure majority rule, instead of letting a minority hold shit up with parliamentary tricks.

The Lib Dems are the party strongly pushing for that reform, and much of their support comes from people who advocate for a fairer voting system. They were actually promised it in 1997 by New Labour, but the deal was thrown away once Blair realized that he was going to get a massive landslide, and they conveniently forgot about it throughout their regime. Given that there is likely going to be a hung parliament in the upcoming election, with one of Labour and the Tories partnering with the LD's to gain a majority in parliament, there is a possibility of us actually getting it soon.

 

[avaya]

Holy crap, that is a stunning statistic. So we're a lib dem nation then... crazy. The future from here (post election) gets very interesting.

Of course we are a STRONGLY liberal nation. The country is disenfranchised by a system which lets a cabal of right wingers maintain a solid chance of holding onto power.


Hung parliament and electoral reform.

Those what if polls show one thing, if you are a Labour supporter you better fucking vote Lib Dem. We all win if you do that.

 

[Wes]

You can be damned sure if there's a hung parliament Election Reform will be #1 on the Lib Dems bargaining table.

Heck if they force that through, who knows what the follow-up election would end up like and that would likely happen within the next twelve months.

As long as Clegg can remain "the story" for all positive reasons from now until the election, this year could very well have huge ramifications for the future political landscape of this country.

 

[killer_clank]

The scottish leaders debate is on STV here at 9 if anyone wants to watch.

http://www.live.stv.tv/

 

[Empty]

You can be damned sure if there's a hung parliament Election Reform will be #1 on the Lib Dems bargaining table..

I'm pretty sure it's actually in their party rules that Clegg can't accept a coalition that doesn't give them some form of proportional representation (or maybe the language is just "electoral reform", i'm not sure, hopefully the former).

 

[avaya]

If this ends up like 1992 I will be speechless, this country would deserve EVERYTHING that would be coming for it as we are trasnported directly back to the 1980's as those wankers abdicate responsibility.

 

[Linkified]

Of course we are a STRONGLY liberal nation. The country is disenfranchised by a system which lets a cabal of right wingers maintain a solid chance of holding onto power.


Hung parliament and electoral reform.

Those what if polls show one thing, if you are a Labour supporter you better fucking vote Lib Dem. We all win if you do that.

Technically I would say we are a more conservative nation overall lower taxes, less government involvement. Thinking about who I'd vote for is that I don't really care who gets in as long as we get tax cuts for tech/game based industry without the need for being culturally relevant to be able to obtain them, thats all I care about really. However I haven't seen in anyone of the main parties this is a pledge - having said that though manifestos are a PR check list to cover the basis of the electorate and aren't even accountable to what they put in.

 

[avaya]

Technically I would say we are a more conservative nation overall lower taxes, less government involvement.

Wrong. 66% of the vote is Lib/Lab. If you add the Greens and Socialists you are at 70%. This is not a conservative country, that is a popular myth.

This is a conservative country only under FPTP where a few marginals have more say than the entire country or the biggest cities.

 

[Chinner]

I said it awhile ago, but at the moment the UK really wants to have US style taxes while maintaining European style services.

 

[DECK'ARD]

That Tory poster is another massive own-goal.

They can't keep changing message from one day to the next, Cameron's whole campaign has been so confused. This seems like a panic move to shore up their traditional support, which is ignoring the elephant in the room which is the people who want something different not the same-old same-old.

All this will do is push more people who want Brown out to the Lib Dems. The problem for the Tories was that their support was soft because people were still scared of the 'Nasty Party' and distrustful of Cameron who appears to say anything and has no true convictions. This poster just ramps up their Nasty Party image, they will continue to lose more of that soft support.

The Tories are panicking, Labour happy for now to sit by and watch it play out hoping the Lib Dems don't get *too* popular, and Nick Clegg has the debate of his life coming up.

Roll on Thursday!

 

[dschalter]

Wrong. 66% of the vote is Lib/Lab. If you add the Greens and Socialists you are at 70%. This is not a conservative country, that is a popular myth.

This is a conservative country only under FPTP where a few marginals have more say than the entire country or the biggest cities.

The Lib Dems are hard to pin a specific ideology on (unsurprisingly, because much of their appeal comes from not simply being Labour or the Conservatives), so saying 66% of the vote is Lib/Lab is an especially convincing statement in terms of national ideology.

 

[Dark Machine]

I thought this was worth putting up.

People are enjoying the idea that they have got more choice. In every walk of our life we have choice, whether it is the mobile phones we use, the cushions we buy in Ikea, the banks we decide to bank at, the holidays we take. In all these things we've got choice. But uniquely in British politics 45 million people are being told by the two old parties, "you've got no choice, you've got to pick either me or him, either David Cameron or Gordon Brown". And now I think the Conservative message is "please pick the Conservatives because we really, really hate Gordon Brown". That's not choice. That's just a contest of mutual loathing.

 

[Empty]

He needs to bring out that gold in the next debate.

 

[Reno7728]

The lib Dems used 28 days later music in a PPB today, +1

 

[Walshicus]

If this ends up like 1992 I will be speechless, this country would deserve EVERYTHING that would be coming for it as we are trasnported directly back to the 1980's as those wankers abdicate responsibility.

Even if Labour retain a majority, we still have a referendum on voting reform for later in the year. The only party not offering *some* form of voting reform is the Tories.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Even if Labour retain a majority, we still have a referendum on voting reform for later in the year. The only party not offering *some* form of voting reform is the Tories.

I'd rather have no reform than Labour's proposals, which seem set to gum up the works for another few decades. Proportional representation or bust.

 

[avaya]

The Lib Dems are hard to pin a specific ideology on (unsurprisingly, because much of their appeal comes from not simply being Labour or the Conservatives), so saying 66% of the vote is Lib/Lab is an especially convincing statement in terms of national ideology.

Lib Dems are more left wing than Labour. Both share roots.

 

[Linkified]

Wrong. 66% of the vote is Lib/Lab. If you add the Greens and Socialists you are at 70%. This is not a conservative country, that is a popular myth.

This is a conservative country only under FPTP where a few marginals have more say than the entire country or the biggest cities.

Eh your talking about just this election, the oldest party that we have left is Conservatives that formed in 1612 - remember labour was only formed inthe early 20th century and the Liberal Democrats were the group that founded based on the old Liberal party and the Socialist Democrat Party in the late 1980s.

So we have had Conservative governments, parties, ideologies from 1612. While we had Liberalism from 1859. Hmm.

 

[Linkified]

Lib Dems are more left wing than Labour. Both share roots.

Whoa, not anymore look here they are in the same position, just not as authoritarian:

 

[avaya]

Eh your talking about just this election, the oldest party that we have left is Conservatives that formed in 1612 - remember labour was only formed inthe early 20th century and the Liberal Democrats were the group that founded based on the old Liberal party and the Socialist Democrat Party in the late 1980s.

So we have had Conservative governments, parties, ideologies from 1612. While we had Liberalism from 1859. Hmm.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[travisbickle]

Technically I would say we are a more conservative nation overall lower taxes, less government involvement. Thinking about who I'd vote for is that I don't really care who gets in as long as we get tax cuts for tech/game based industry without the need for being culturally relevant to be able to obtain them, thats all I care about really. However I haven't seen in anyone of the main parties this is a pledge - having said that though manifestos are a PR check list to cover the basis of the electorate and aren't even accountable to what they put in.

Typical Tory, you honestly only care about a tax break for games companies?