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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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Sir Fragula said:
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Parl said:
It's not similar at all, the Big Society is more of an ideal than just some policy i.e. getting rid of all immigrants in the case of the BNP. The fact that there aren't concrete proposals from the conservatives regarding some of the problems you highlighted is part of what appeals to me about the ideal - they're not just trying to legislate problems out of existence as has been occurring for most of the past 13 years.
i wonder what the backlash will be, if it ever comes?
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I talked to a member of the senior leadership team at my local school today - Jesus, this sounds like a Cameron anecdote - and he thought the idea of parents in underprivileged communities coming in to run failing schools was "a mess." It's not as easy as you think to come in and run shit you aren't qualified for, apparently.sohois said:
Yeah, they're overdoing it way too much, they just look scared :lol Only time will tell whether it's having any effect, but so far it doesn't seem to be. The only people buying those papers and not scoffing at them have likely made up their minds already. Keeping the momentum in the debates is far more important.SmokyDave said:
The first one I think is naive and pointless but the second one is just ridiculously, genuinely offensive. I know why they're doing it too, it's so that when they're challenged for selling them they can say "It's an English tradition that's been stamped out by the ultra-left!". Is it fuck. Even if it was it's based on old, racially charged imagery that shouldn't have been propagated in the first place. I can tolerate the BNPs existence for the most part as I accept that parties need to be diverse to represent a diverse range of views but sometimes I could blow steam out of my fucking ears.Chinner said:
"ooh, look at us, we sell Gollies because we remember what made Britain Great". Cunts.
Mr. Sam said:
Yeah but the whole "parents taking over their klids school" bit is really more of a soundbite, it doesn't seem like Gove really expects any parents to actually do that. The expectation is for charites or businesses to set up schools, rather like the academy system that new labour started. but an extension.
Ghost said:
I refuse to buy into your cynicism. Postal votes are already going out, so that time is reduced for some people, the growth of the internet reduces the influence of the press, and as we've seen in the last week; one debate can overrule years of conditioning by the press, we have two more to go.
Labour suck when it comes to this. Too much fiddling, too much centralisation.sohois said:
Though how can this so-called ideal be trusted? I don't sense any real conviction in the leading Tories, and that's why this Big Soceity thing seems like a simple sham. The ideal could have easily came after the policy that the Tories have in their manifesto, and the term "Big Society" is being used an umbrella PR push for it all.
Lib Dem frontbenchers, to me, speak with much more sincerity about our social problems, and despite not being perfect, offer the decentralisation, and withdrawal of the state, with an eye, or at least a promise, to keep fairness as the underpinning to their policy. The Tories have never had a reputation for something similar.
The Independent is running an election themed ad campaign. i love it.
a really great viral video (which they really should put on tv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76l5wUgjb4&feature=player_embedded#at=25
and some pretty cool posters like this one (some for Murdoch and Unite, too)
a really great viral video (which they really should put on tv)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76l5wUgjb4&feature=player_embedded#at=25
and some pretty cool posters like this one (some for Murdoch and Unite, too)
Good spotting by Leftfootforward.
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/04/ukip-obsessed-by-immigration-under-investigation-clueless/
One of the worst interviews from a party leader ever. UKIP is still utterly unimpressive.
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/04/ukip-obsessed-by-immigration-under-investigation-clueless/
One of the worst interviews from a party leader ever. UKIP is still utterly unimpressive.
NekoFever
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I do love it how the newspapers' hegemony looks threatened and they immediately lose all dignity and go into meltdown, throwing out any pretense of impartiality and starting the personal attacks. It shows how shockingly bad the state of our printed media is in our country, and I hope people can remember this the next time there's an anti-BBC witch hunt.
I mean, the top three stories on the Mail's election coverage are all horror stories about what a Lib Dem government will do, with another three smaller ones about the same thing. It's absolutely pathetic.
I almost want the Lib Dems to do well just to give the papers a reality check over how it's us, not them, who decides the elections. They threw their lot in with Cameron when he looked like a shoo-in for the next PM and now they're furiously trying to protect their investment.
I mean, the top three stories on the Mail's election coverage are all horror stories about what a Lib Dem government will do, with another three smaller ones about the same thing. It's absolutely pathetic.
I almost want the Lib Dems to do well just to give the papers a reality check over how it's us, not them, who decides the elections. They threw their lot in with Cameron when he looked like a shoo-in for the next PM and now they're furiously trying to protect their investment.
Telegraphs approach to Clegg is pretty transparent. They peddle made up stories saying the mood is that "Clegg is a God-like Obama figure". The subtext being that it's all a personality cult, a fad and most certainly couldn't just be moderate popularity due to having sensible policies.
Hint: there's no one left alive from those times.
to use the views of EVERYONE WHO EVER LIVED to say what kind of country we are is stupid. By that logic we're an anarchisitic, racist, feudal society with a life expectency of 30.
Linkified said:
Hint: there's no one left alive from those times.
to use the views of EVERYONE WHO EVER LIVED to say what kind of country we are is stupid. By that logic we're an anarchisitic, racist, feudal society with a life expectency of 30.
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FabCam said:
Linkified's posts in this thread reveal that his political stance is... more than a little eclectic.
Maleficence
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Zenith said:
Which is funny, because Obama has hardly turned out to be just a personality.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Mr. Sam said:
if the next poll shows a huge surge in BNP support you know you're going to be blamed
Empty said:
I was really hoping it wouldnt be left in our hands.
Empty said:
A lib Dem councillor knocked on my door yesterday, I told her I was going to vote for Lib Dems(but didnt tell her only so that it could knock Labour out) and engaged in a brief discussion.
She asked if I wanted to put a poster up and I said no.
FabCam said:
Theres alot wrong with European politics, remember UKIP came second behind Labour in the European elections, also Nigel Favage campaigned for Ireland to have a vote on the Lisbon Treaty. Ireland said 'No' so European MEPs picked on Ireland to have it go again. When Ireland made up its decision. But the main thing is the worrying trend of creating job titles for people who are aren't elected by the people, such as, the president, EU foreign minister, etc.
Why do we need a president who is paid more than Obama - to sit there and make decisions consisting of countries with different histories, different cultures. For instance the mediterranean countries have a different culture and lifestyle to northern european countries, etc.
It just doesn't make sense I can understand trade as pointed out by others earlier on in this thread - but it makes no sense to have Europe dictating the maximum time a person can work per week.
The thing I find hard to take is people who say there pro-democracy yet EU is highly undemocratic in every area.
No door to doors here, although considering we're mostly nocturnal in this flat I'd probably miss them anyway. Loads of leaflets from Labour and the Lib Dems though, this constituency (Sheffield Central) is seemingly a lot more marginal because of boundary changes.Empty said:
IPSOS Mori poll (fieldwork 18th-19th April)
CON 32%(-3)
LAB 28%(-2)
LDEM 32%(+11)
another poll making it look like that comres poll showing a 9 point tory lead is an anomaly.
also comes with a satisfaction poll that reinforces what people suspected regarding candidate popularity and the massive impact of the debate on the lib dems.
CON 32%(-3)
LAB 28%(-2)
LDEM 32%(+11)
another poll making it look like that comres poll showing a 9 point tory lead is an anomaly.
also comes with a satisfaction poll that reinforces what people suspected regarding candidate popularity and the massive impact of the debate on the lib dems.
Can you just stop being wrong for one post?Linkified said:
The Irish rejected the Treaty on the first vote. The EU and Irish governments spent a number of months investigating the reasons why the Irish had voted against the Treaty. Their findings where that many Irish were concerned about ceding powers that simply weren't mentioned in the Treaty - the result of scaremongering campaigns by the media [much of it from the UK...]. Reassurances that the policy areas of concern [abortion etc.] weren't going to be affected were given [easily so, since they really weren't] and the Irish then voted based on the revised situation.
Sir Fragula said:
Wait I'm wrong that UK games companies should get tax breaks?
Ok then well I guess the Treaty of Lisbon is offcial but wait I was promissed a referenca on it by a Labour government, oh wait. Well thats fine cause at least all the new positions it created have to be democratically elected by the citizens of each european member. Oh wait well at least they have been chosen by the heads of state we voted in - oh wait Brown was never elected. Oh snap!
Empty said:
Last week as I went to my friends house to go to our football game we saw Tory campaigners in the street and my friend was pissed because he wanted to call them out because he is a PSCO and Tories opposed the creation of his job and would likely cut it if they got in.
Pissed because our football game tomorrow is clashing with the debate again.. and it means we play before it gets dark, and I enjoy playing in the dark under floodlights lots more
Theres checks and balances and then there's doing the equivalent of putting Nick Griffin in charge of the Green party. It just wouldn't work.Linkified said:
The idea of a majority in the House of Commons giving the leader of a party the "ability" to be made Prime Minister is largely based on the assumption that he would command respect amongst his MPs and they would help him to pass his legislative plans. If you had a PM in a House with over 326 MPs that oppose his policies he'd be a lame duck Prime Minister and never get anything done. The government would be a shambles.
MarshMellow96
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Linkified said:
Didn't something like this happen with Clinton in 94 with the Republican Congress? (Long time since I've done US politics) Hardly seems democratic on the individual then... Especially given that democracy is meant to be for the people!
That said, you'll probably spout off some theory about utilitarianism...
FabCam said:
However the institutions need to be made more democratic for the other countries in europe so LD want those to be made more democratic however it needs someone like Farage to prevent more of every european members powers getting transferred to a single european body.
YouGov daily poll just out
CONSERVATIVES 33% (+2)
LIB DEMS 31% (-3)
LABOUR 27% (+1)
Saint Vince, not so saintly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-grwkqnc1U
CONSERVATIVES 33% (+2)
LIB DEMS 31% (-3)
LABOUR 27% (+1)
Saint Vince, not so saintly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-grwkqnc1U
MarshMellow96
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Linkified said:
But the thing is, in your direct democracy with Farrage in charge, he wouldn't have the ability to do anything. His democratic right to have a say in things would be removed.
This would be great for the country though I think. Another lame duck president who gets too much money. I can't wait until we pull out of Parliament. :lol
EDIT: He doesn't give Cable a chance to speak. That lady looks rather lovely however...
MarshMellow96 said:
Direct democracy is no representatives though, think first forms of Democracy whereby we represent ourselves. Unlike every current world democracy which uses represents our views.
How anyone can actually argue against checks and balances within politics is beyond me.
NekoFever
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1) We were promised a referendum on the EU Constitution, which the Lisbon Treaty isn't. Your aversion to measures to make the EU more democratic on the basis that the EU is undemocratic are... interesting.Linkified said:
2) Gordon Brown is not the head of state. That's the Queen.
Although I guess your point about the lack of choice still stands
Ahead of a dozen more important industries? Yeah, you're wrong.Linkified said:
Well, you were promised a referendum on the Constitutional Treaty.
The "new" positions:
1) President of the European Council:
Replaces the six month rotating President-in-Office position held by the head of government of a member state that held the Presidency of the Council of the European Union.
2) High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy:This is actually two previously active posts merged into one portfolio - the External Relations Commissioner with the Common Foreign and Security Policy High Representative.
In both cases the new structure represents a simplification of the prior.Our head of state is Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
I'm sure you mean head of government here.
Gordon Brown was elected to parliament with a majority of 14,000 in the constituency of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. The majority of MPs support his premiership in the Westminster parliament.
MarshMellow96
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Linkified said:
You're right in that direct democracy has no representative, but what I'm trying to say is that the 'sovereignty' of the citizen in a direct system would not reach Farrage. It's all very hypothetical anyways...
I'm not against against checks and balances by any means! What if I were to say that the EU was one big system of C&B?
NekoFever said:1) We were promised a referendum on the EU Constitution, which the Lisbon Treaty isn't. Your aversion to measures to make the EU more democratic on the basis that the EU is undemocratic are... interesting.
2) Gordon Brown is not the head of state. That's the Queen.Although I guess your point about the lack of choice still stands
1)By taking away a member countries ability to govern the EU every 6 month, by creating a presidency were if he turns into a facist or communist we as the people have no power to remove him.
2)The president of europe got voted in by Gordon Brown and others. I maybe should of said elected heads of state.
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